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Finally got around to finishing my first Plague Marine for my kill team, and... This feels like this first time I've finished a mini that made me go "Holy poo poo, that looks GOOD!" Trigger Warning for fans of Beakie Boys, though... 
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Giant Isopod posted:If the 30k admech stuff gets released for 40k would they get any new HQ options from that model range? Yes. There are a variety of wild HQs for Mechanicum in 30k. All based on the Dominus model, but you can take them in a lot of different directions in terms of wargear and rules.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:00
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Cthulu Carl posted:Finally got around to finishing my first Plague Marine for my kill team, and... This feels like this first time I've finished a mini that made me go "Holy poo poo, that looks GOOD!" that is a respectable mini. Great job!
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Dec 22, 2018 01:05
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What's all this talk about a Vigilus trailer that mentions Admech stuff? I'm flipping through their site/channels and don't see anything.
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Dec 22, 2018 01:16
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Giant Isopod posted:If the 30k admech stuff gets released for 40k would they get any new HQ options from that model range? the only thing worse than waiting for Fires of Cyraxus is waiting for the Talons/GK IA that comes after
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Dec 22, 2018 02:03
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 1000 pt game Sunday. Battalion, 5 command point, 995 points w/ iron hands tactics Looking forward to it, only thing that isn't wysiwyg is I added a couple plasma pistols to the assault squad.
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Dec 22, 2018 02:07
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Ghost Hand posted:(Edit) for the record I just don't post here often anymore since I made an rear end of myself when my friend died and I as just a bit too sensitive. I apologized to those folks I responded to in that way, but was quite honestly just a bit embarrassed. Now I just kind of lurk often. I still find this thread highly entertaining. You're a good guy and it sucks that you had a bad moment while grieving. Don't worry about it and just post. The more people we have contributing to our dead gay comedy forum the better.
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Dec 22, 2018 02:10
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this comedy forum will never be dead on my watch you can take my shitposts from my cold dead mouse hand
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Dec 22, 2018 02:12
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Autism Sneaks posted:the only thing worse than waiting for Fires of Cyraxus is waiting for the Talons/GK IA that comes after They've basically confirmed that Cyraxus is never happening
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Dec 22, 2018 02:36
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Cthulu Carl posted:Finally got around to finishing my first Plague Marine for my kill team, and... This feels like this first time I've finished a mini that made me go "Holy poo poo, that looks GOOD!" This guy is pretty sweet, great job!
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Dec 22, 2018 03:25
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Hustlin Floh posted:They've basically confirmed that Cyraxus is never happening Why? Also what is Cyraxus?
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Earlier, I defended the Holy Trinity stratagem. I still think it's nice and thematic, but I wanted to run some numbers. As a baseline, against a SPACE MARINE target, a battle sister squad has the following stats: code:Adding in a +1 to wound gets you: code:I suppose if you had a 15 sister squad intending to pump the bolter damage up, your average damage would be 0.14*12 = 1.68. vs 0.11*14 = 1.54 if you had just taken a storm bolter instead of the flamer. That's ignoring the flamer damage, and the combi-flamer bolter firing at -1, etc, but even with those simplifications its not very compelling considering the cost of the combi-flamer and an 8" range. Ok, well, can we use it to boost the melta output against high value targets? Against T8, 3+ targets the melta goes from 1.166 avg damage to 1.55 And against T9, 3+ targets the melta goes from 0.777 to 1.166 Well that's promising! Except in the latter case your average damage is 1.166*2 = 2.33 vs 0.77*3=2.31 if you took a third melta. I think the problem here is that: * Flamers are bad and we would only take them to use the stratagem and their range cripples it * Meltas are good, but you take few per squad and the +1 to wound is seldom going to outweigh +1 melta * The +1 to wound on bolters is the biggest boost, but it seems really hard to make it effective enough Maybe there's a way to make it work on retributors with heavy flamers and a combi-melta? In conclusion: I was wrong and I am sad.
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Dec 22, 2018 05:23
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Why? It was gonna be a Imperial Armour book focused around T'au attacking a Forge World. Would have gave the AdMech all their shiny 30k robutts and toys in 40k and a bunch of new animes for the T'au. But because Forge World has went from standard incompetent to ragingly incompetent in the past year and a half or so, it got shoved so far down the production pipeline it essentially got soft cancelled.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Why? It was apparently a pet project of one of the guys there, who did it largely on his own time, so when the move to 8th Edition necessitated a complete rewrite, the release was canceled.
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the beta rules for the Termite Drill and Secutarii were released, but surprising hopefully nobody, they're bad. the Red Scorpions chapter master in a Relic Leviathan Dreadnought was also going to be in the book, but he at least doesn't suckHustlin Floh posted:They've basically confirmed that Cyraxus is never happening hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
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Dec 22, 2018 05:44
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Eifert Posting posted:
The dark/bold recessing on these guys looks awesome. Are the bases molded or is the texture painted on? It works either way.
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Dec 22, 2018 06:42
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Autism Sneaks posted:the beta rules for the Termite Drill and Secutarii were released, but surprising hopefully nobody, they're bad. the Red Scorpions chapter master in a Relic Leviathan Dreadnought was also going to be in the book, but he at least doesn't suck The drill is rad! Shame about the troops not getting your forgeworld keywords though.
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Dec 22, 2018 06:43
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I feel shamed by the previous Plague Marine but I'm gonna post my first attempt at painting one anyway. It's not quite where I want it to be, I only have like 8 colors of paint and wash, but I'm happy with it for being my first time painting one. 
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Giant Isopod posted:* Flamers are bad and we would only take them to use the stratagem and their range cripples it I know it is extremely unlikely but I am still hoping beyond hope that flamers get a buff, something to make them less of a crap shoot, like maybe extra D6 depending on the number of models in the target unit or maybe 2d6 pick the highest, or a minimum number of hits(Like maybe 3 always hit), just something. They used to be the most reliable high hitting weapon in my army and now they're consistently disappointing even in high numbers. For this edition I have way too many flamers(4 10 man squads with 1 combi-flamer, 1 flamer and 1 heavy flamer and that's just my troops) and with plastic sisters coming out in a year or so I just can't bring myself to replace them with the more useful special weapons. I kinda expected that Stratagem wasn't very good since it would require spreading my melta's or flamers around which don't really do enough damage output on their own to be taken on a 1-2 basis. My thought process is 1 melta won't destroy a tank on it's own even in the best circumstances and due to it's low range is unlikely to get second chance. 2 melta's have a better chance but are still more likely to just cripple a tank while 3 is just the right amount of wiggle room to almost always guarantee a kill. For a while I was thinking of doing a Dominion squad with 4 meltas and 1 combi flamer, 4 melta's wounding high toughness targets on 2-3+ seems like it would be nice but I don't know if it's better than a 5th melta. It's good to see the actual math of it though. I missed my last game day so I haven't been able to try the new codex. If you have played, how is it? Are the acts more decent than I originally thought? Have you gotten much use out of the other Stratagems or changes in the codex? Cainer fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Fires of Cyraxus was the pet project of Andy Hoare who now heads Specialist Games. It was meant to be a book focusing on Ad Mech and Tau, but it is likely not happening at this point. He had written most of it in his spare time and the changes from 8th would require a full rewrite of the rules and, depending on how they'd want to frame it, maybe even the background. It's not happening. At least not for a long time. This has been said a few times on the GW twitch stream by Andy himself, I'm not guessing at anything here. However, I don't understand why the background would need to be re-written as the Imperial Armor books are largely presented as historical texts. There would be no need to accommodate the current state of the setting. Unless they wanted to, of course.
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Eifert Posting posted:
Don't forget your 3CP from Battleforged! Giant Isopod posted:Earlier, I defended the Holy Trinity stratagem. I still think it's nice and thematic, but I wanted to run some numbers. The use of it is to make meltas wound on 3s against T8, which helps Sisters deal with Knights. Best on a Dominion squad with 4 meltas, a combi-flamer Superior and a flag carrier with boltgun. Other than that yeah, it's fine but not really worth building around.
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Corrode posted:Don't forget your 3CP from Battleforged! Oh cool. I plan on using the command point to get rid of movement penalties for shooting on vehicles pretty much every turn. With my list composition nothing else in the Marine book really stands out to me as an obvious use for command points other than the rerolls. Prepared positions might be nice. Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Corrode posted:Don't forget your 3CP from Battleforged! He covers that. Going from 1.166 per melta to 1.55 isnt worth giving up a melta, and since you arent delivering mass bolters it's super not worth it.
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DiggityDoink posted:I feel shamed by the previous Plague Marine but I'm gonna post my first attempt at painting one anyway. Remember, these are getting viewed at arms length. I know there are painting rain men in this thread who, as a result of faustian bargains, can create minis that look so alive you expect them to cry out - but your poo poo is gonna look just fine on the table. Also it's nurgle so you get to slide a bit 
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Naramyth posted:He covers that. Going from 1.166 per melta to 1.55 isnt worth giving up a melta, and since you arent delivering mass bolters it's super not worth it. Ah yeah I was thinking in the context of Dominions rather than regular Sisters, but I guess in either case you can just take a combi-melta on the Superior instead of a combi-flamer and get same/better output than using the strat.
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Cainer posted:I know it is extremely unlikely but I am still hoping beyond hope that flamers get a buff, something to make them less of a crap shoot, like maybe extra D6 depending on the number of models in the target unit or maybe 2d6 pick the highest, or a minimum number of hits(Like maybe 3 always hit), just something. They used to be the most reliable high hitting weapon in my army and now they're consistently disappointing even in high numbers. For this edition I have way too many flamers(4 10 man squads with 1 combi-flamer, 1 flamer and 1 heavy flamer and that's just my troops) and with plastic sisters coming out in a year or so I just can't bring myself to replace them with the more useful special weapons. I'm not sure how to buff flamers - increasing the str/api moves it into heavy flamer territory, and increasing the number of hits would make the weird situation where flamer gets more hits than a heavy flamer. (Unless you also want to buff heavy flamers, which I am cool with, but they are currently in a much better place.) The logical thing is to give them a points drop and/or a dedicated stratagem - a flamer equivalent of Blessed Bolts. I've got the opposite problem, I have a ton of melta models (and not enough stormbolters), so I tend to take meltas in small squads and use them more like one would use plasma guns against heavy infantry or t5/t6 sub-tank targets. They're kinda too expensive to be used like that, but what can you do. Today's my game day so I'll let you know! I'm holding off on any commentary on the acts of faith until I play.
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Might be too specific of question but has anyone seen a good way to model a bolt rifle on intercessor sergeants? Fiddling around with the fists upgrade sprue and I can't get the standard right arm with the pitol/gun on a strap to look right when using the power fist arm. I guess I could just pay the points and say he has one even if its not shown but ideally I'd like to avoid any wysiwyg nonsense.
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DiggityDoink posted:I feel shamed by the previous Plague Marine but I'm gonna post my first attempt at painting one anyway. That looks loving great, and a whole squad painted to that standard and based on the tabletop will probably earn you occasional compliments because painted mans you put effort into look good. I generally use less than 8 colors on my rank and file troopers(Cadians): Brown boots (doubling as brown skin tone.) Black gun casings and strapping khaki fatigues Grey armor plating Lighter skin tone. Silver metals Agrax earthshade equivalent wash Officers and the eventual plan for everyone which will never happen involve a couple more: Edge highlight on the armor Light grey stripes/unit markings Red chainswords/random details highlight on the skin (Flesh tone for the caucasion, a separate lighter brown for the dark skintones) Brass detailing So 7 paints for rank and file dudes, 12 for doing something fancy on the characters. You do not need a ton of paints to make your dudes look good. I find a good way to tell is to look at the thumbnail image of something on here. If your dude looks good in that it's going to look great on the tabletop.
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Autism Sneaks posted:the only thing worse than waiting for Fires of Cyraxus is waiting for the Talons/GK IA that comes after They actually said the Talons index is the next 40k thing they will be doing. Another sign of fires being sent to development hell.
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Mr Teatime posted:Might be too specific of question but has anyone seen a good way to model a bolt rifle on intercessor sergeants? Fiddling around with the fists upgrade sprue and I can't get the standard right arm with the pitol/gun on a strap to look right when using the power fist arm. I guess I could just pay the points and say he has one even if its not shown but ideally I'd like to avoid any wysiwyg nonsense. Nobody is going to care, but if you do want them then the box of 3 easy to build intercessors has 2 right hand only bolt rifles.
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Hencoe posted:They actually said the Talons index is the next 40k thing they will be doing. Another sign of fires being sent to development hell. haha suck it robit-loving nerds!!
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Duct Tape posted:What's all this talk about a Vigilus trailer that mentions Admech stuff? I'm flipping through their site/channels and don't see anything. https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/posts/2187143871606240/ This and there was another trailer with admech asking for reinforcements, but that could have been Calgar and chums turning up.
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Killer_Bees! posted:Almost done on my Knights to go with my Fists just in time for the new box set to drop and get me painting more yellow Holy poo poo.
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Really keen on only using these with the fists until I can get enough extra bodies and dreads painted up to run pure fists with the new rules again and then I will be putting together enough Knights to run a full house!
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Started painting in June I think and this is definitely the biggest project I've done. Really fun and messy to paint. Not sure i'm happy with the skin on bad shrek here but I learned a lot.         
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You started painting in JUNE? Wow.
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Dude that orange cloth looks amazing! And so does the rest of the model
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Thank you! If I have any talent it's a direct result of this thread and the painting thread. And I'm slow.
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I finished some more shoota boyz, and I regret painting 20 so far this month. While fun and the results are nice, it is so freaking slow doing them all.
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R0ckfish posted:I finished some more shoota boyz, and I regret painting 20 so far this month. While fun and the results are nice, it is so freaking slow doing them all. As usual your Orkz are better than sunshine on a rainy day Amazing stuff 10/10 Have you had any games with them?
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