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All of you go play FF8 and you're not allowed to quit until you murder the monsters high-school child soldiers put into hockey pads to play sports for their amusement.
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I'm playing FF13 right now since it's XBOX ONE X ENHANCED and I gotta say, I still don't like it all that much but it's got a truly bangin' soundtrack. I like that it's got nice little bite size chunks between save points too. And it's still a really nice looking game. So while I find it lacking in many respects, it is a great loving game for edibles, friendos.
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idk maybe i'm just dumping on it from a position of comparison but i think ff13 is the weakest of all of hamauzu's soundtracks and he makes the same mistake all the older game composers did with their first modern-gen soundtrack where he uses way too much shrill, grating strings
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Dec 22, 2018 10:11
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gigglefeimer posted:I'm morbidly curious about your opinions on Israel/Palestine but at the same time I really don't want to know. Which of these traveled back in time to self sabotage themselves?
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cock hero flux posted:there's like 4 Sorceresses in FF8 and 3 of them became magic super hitlers
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I am glad Final Fantasy VIII had the courage to tackle both the Salem Witch Trials and the conflicts in the Middle East.
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Is FF 2 and 3 any good? I've never played them through, and what kind of final fantasy fan hasn't played every installment?
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Dec 22, 2018 14:15
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central dogma posted:Is FF 2 and 3 any good? I've never played them through, and what kind of final fantasy fan hasn't played every installment? They are probably the worst games in the series, with FF3DS definitely being the worst game. Feel free to skip them.
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Dec 22, 2018 14:26
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central dogma posted:Is FF 2 and 3 any good? I've never played them through, and what kind of final fantasy fan hasn't played every installment? They're definitely products of their time, and more interesting due to their historical merits than as actual games. FF2 has some weird design decisions, but is surprisingly balanced if you know how to actually steer your builds (focus on building agility and evasion, regularly use magic, and so on) without a significant need to grind (the "beat your own characters up to gain HP" and "abuse the select-cancel" glitch are pretty unnecessary for the most part, the only stuff you really need to grind are Esuna and maybe Life). That said, exploration is pretty bad, the dungeon design is abysmal, the story is bizarre, and the setting is so drat bleak it's difficult to really care about what's going on. NES version is skippable, the remakes progressively make the game easier and that's not a bad thing for this one, but it's more interesting to see how they shake things up from how they did FF1. FF3's better, though it still has some annoying dungeon decisions and lacks some quality-of-life stuff. Job system's cool, but half the jobs are useless and you're pretty much required to use certain jobs to progress at times. It's more cool to see the game establish the template that most future games would follow, and seeing the introduction of a lot of series staples like moogles and various jobs and summons. The remake balances out a lot of the jobs so they're all more useful, but overtunes the encounters so that randoms become tedious. NES is recommended if you play at all, interesting from a historical perspective but still has some glaring issues. I enjoy both though and don't regret sinking as much time into them as I have, but you won't miss anything skipping them either.
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Dec 22, 2018 14:48
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I would just play Final Fantasy Legend 2 and FF5.
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Dec 22, 2018 15:09
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central dogma posted:Is FF 2 and 3 any good? I've never played them through, and what kind of final fantasy fan hasn't played every installment? Ff2 gba is one of my fav ff games, but the NES version is trash Ff3 nes is alright I guess, but the DS version is trash
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central dogma posted:Is FF 2 and 3 any good? I've never played them through, and what kind of final fantasy fan hasn't played every installment? I liked FF2 Dawn of Souls and FF3 on Steam. Then again, it takes a lot to make me hate a game. Both have amazing music so that helps.
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central dogma posted:Is FF 2 and 3 any good? I've never played them through, and what kind of final fantasy fan hasn't played every installment? If you're not playing the original version of 3 skip it entirely. Every re-release is based on a DS remake of the game made by people who didn't understand any mechanics or gameplay designs but wanted to make it harder so they cut your stats in half for X battles after swapping jobs, most of the jobs are just actively and numerically worse, your damage numbers were nerfed while bosses got buffed. Bosses starting out at like the 3rd boss get 2 turns to your 1 round and their ai scripts aren't changed to accommodate for that so you'll just constantly get unlucky and the boss will roll it's party wider 60% of your HP attack twice in a row and there's nothing you could do to stop it or deal with it before the 2nd blow. And the worse part about it is even if none of these changes were made it's still an entirely skippable game. Jobs' unique skills and stuff are all really underwhelming or uninteresting and the whole thing is very very clearly a prototype for what FFV would eventually become. The story is closer to FF1's bare bones D&D campaign than anything in 2 or that came after it and it's one of the worst paced FF games I can think of. So just play 5 again.
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The White Dragon posted:idk maybe i'm just dumping on it from a position of comparison but i think ff13 is the weakest of all of hamauzu's soundtracks and he makes the same mistake all the older game composers did with their first modern-gen soundtrack where he uses way too much shrill, grating strings Of the Hamauzu ost's I know: Sigma Harmonics has some killer tracks, but it's only a handful where the majority of the songs are under a minute long and even ignoring that they're not that special. Even though I really like the sounds and it's a really good effort for a DS soundtrack and I've tried a bunch to listen to it on it's own, but it never really keeps any interest to me for long. 13-2 has a lot of really good stuff and I wouldn't be surprised if people put it over 13-1 ost. But for me, I usually end up liking more of the 13-1 ost, where the 13-2 songs individually I'll maybe like a bit more. Sort of a quality vs quantity thing for me on this one but 13-1 edges it out. Lightning returns I actually don't like the ost very much. There are a bunch of good tracks of course, but trying to listen to it overall I really have never been able to get into it very much. I don't know if it's cause it's lacking many strong melodies or what. Dirge of Cerberus is probably the closest in terms of matching instrumental styles to 13-1 as they are very very similar, but overall 13-1 is not afraid of having a lot of playful melodies and a variety of things, where Dirge is mostly the same style and even most of the songs I like it isn't cause of the melodies. I want to like Dirge's style, but I end up liking far less than half the songs even if I'm being generous. Obviously not as good as Saga Frontier 2 and Unlimited Saga ost's, but outside of those I feel like 13-1 is the most well rounded Hamauzu ost and is probably my 3rd favorite currently from him. I think Dirge of Cerberus definitely needs some more love on some of the songs though for the more tension building style that I low-key love from Hamauzu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0-50uSKA6s
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Ventana posted:Of the Hamauzu ost's I know: Several different composers worked on XIII-2 I think so it be unfair to attribute it to him as muh as XIII-1. And yeah DoC lived by the old JRPG rule of "at least the music was good."
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NikkolasKing posted:Several different composers worked on XIII-2 I think so it be unfair to attribute it to him as muh as XIII-1. You know, I knew that going into my post, but it wasn't until I checked until just now that I realized that it was actually Naoshi Mizuta who did most of the work on the 13-2 ost. I had always assumed it was just Hamauzu. Looking up who composed which songs, while I do like most of the songs Hamauzu did here, it's pretty unarguable that the best/most defining tracks were all from Mizuta who did a killer job overall. Apparently this also applies to Lightning Returns as well, though much like in my above post, I'm not entirely down with all the songs from Hamauzu/Mizuta here either. Though I still do think Mizuta still had the best songs from that ost. edit: I'm going to use this post as an excuse to post one of my favorite Mizuta songs from 13-2 that I think is underappreciated. It's so good in the cutscene of Serah turning down fake Lightning. Even if everything in the scene is kinda obviously fake, I love the mood that the song brings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVKXYz5WTg Ventana fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Crazy Chocobo is the best FF song.
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Ventana posted:You know, I knew that going into my post, but it wasn't until I checked until just now that I realized that it was actually Naoshi Mizuta who did most of the work on the 13-2 ost. I had always assumed it was just Hamauzu. Looking up who composed which songs, while I do like most of the songs Hamauzu did here, it's pretty unarguable that the best/most defining tracks were all from Mizuta who did a killer job overall. It's got that awesome motif from other songs in it so I approve. Although this is my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pKNA7bgBSU It's got this soap opera vibe to it so that alone is great but when you combine that with the fact the game just compiles together random cutscene clips in no coherent or logical order and uses that as "The Story So Far.." summary, it makes the whole thing a masterpiece that sums up why XIII-2 is great. But seriously, I think Noel's Theme is probably the best track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfmupLRxxM8
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Noel's theme is indeed one of my favorites and it's really good. Though honestly, Serah's theme in 13-2 takes the cake for me as far as character themes go and is up there for me for favorite 13-2 songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxcDzr0PsoE Fun thing to point out: the last 40 seconds of Serah's theme it plays a motif from one of the ending 13-1 songs when they're talking about the future and Fang and Vanille "reunite" with the party again. Different key/octave switching so the moods are slightly different, but it's one of the few 13-2 songs that actually directly connects to a 13-1 song and I love it. (timestamped the bit I'm talking about) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9_CCT4gNW4&t=94s
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I sorta liked FFXIII-2 because the devs were very aware of what went wrong in XIII. Well at least they tried.
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this one's always stuck in my mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEEcKCh-Yx4 also like how every background switches briefly to a thumping electro-ish remix whenever an enemy gets nearby, it's a neat little detail
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WaltherFeng posted:I sorta liked FFXIII-2 because the devs were very aware of what went wrong in XIII. Uh they, in my eyes anyway, messed up the combat somewhat, I didn't feel anywhere near as fun in 13-2 then 13-1
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mandatory lesbian posted:Uh they, in my eyes anyway, messed up the combat somewhat, I didn't feel anywhere near as fun in 13-2 then 13-1 Yeah I actually thought the paradigm shift system was pretty cool, it just needed an actual game attached and not an endless series of hallways. 13-2 would have been a good chance to flesh out the systems and expand on them and give us a little more room to roam. But uh, they didn't. Looking forward to giving 13-2 a second chance once I finally finish 13 though!
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:And the worse part about it is even if none of these changes were made it's still an entirely skippable game. Jobs' unique skills and stuff are all really underwhelming or uninteresting and the whole thing is very very clearly a prototype for what FFV would eventually become. The story is closer to FF1's bare bones D&D campaign than anything in 2 or that came after it and it's one of the worst paced FF games I can think of.
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TIME AND SPACE TIME AND SPACE is great and if you don't like it you have no soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWHJRNT8gcs
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forward and back and then forward and back and we go forward and back and forward and back and forward and back
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Terry van Feleday posted:There were some parts of FF3 I found genuinely beautiful back when I played it (like heading out onto the larger world map for the first time) and I liked it more than FF 1 or 2, but today I would probably have much less patience for it. The pacing issue starts right there though. Once you leave the floating island and it's like "Oh poo poo the world is big but also already fucekd" and then it's 1 dinky dungeon and you're then spending the majority of the game kind of just bumbling around aimlessly looking for the earth crystal. You get this great big reveal and and excitement over the revelation of just have far this adventure can go and the first thing you do is go "Oh hey this rich guys kind an rear end in a top hat lets gently caress him up" and it just feels like you're on a yoyo when it comes to scale and pacing. And then when you finally get to the crystal in the remake after all this loving bullshit to get it the reward for it are 4 classes that are absolute dogshit compared to what you've been using/leveling unless you grind them out really hard because they decided to balance the early jobs that the earth crystal jobs were upgrades to by making the better classes worse without buffing to old ones substantially. Every design decision in the remake is so rear end backwards it's amazing. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Dec 23, 2018 |
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Gologle posted:forward and back and then forward and back and we go forward and back and forward and back and forward and back Time out of time (illumination) Time out of time (illumination) Time out of time (triangulation) Time out of time (predestination)
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Oxxidation posted:also like how every background switches briefly to a thumping electro-ish remix whenever an enemy gets nearby, it's a neat little detail I always thought it was neat, but also kinda weird that they'd be like 7 minute remixes for a situation that lasts usually less than 30 seconds at a time. I'm not complaining since I loved it, but still.
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Gologle posted:forward and back and then forward and back and we go forward and back and forward and back and forward and back No but really XIV has probably my favorite soundtrack of any game from the series. There's a ton of variety and all of them go hard. Songs range from sweeping orchestra techno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYOSYDBJyZg To straight up Bollywood bops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiUp3DpksQY I'd have like 500 tracks too many to list here if I kept going but XIV has very, very few bad songs in it. Masayoshi Soken is a crazy talented composer.
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zedprime posted:I would just play Final Fantasy Legend 2 and FF5. Also, what’s the consensus on the mobile versions of the SNES FF’s? Worth the few bucks or are they so awkward to play on mobile that “screw it don’t bother”?
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Dec 25, 2018 23:50
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they actually got remakes on the DS but they never came to america
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MagusofStars posted:Have the Final Fantasy Legend games been re-released on mobile or Steam or the like? Would love to replay them but don’t feel like messing around with emulators or pulling out the old gray brick Gameboy. Theyre akward to play, GBA ports if that matters, and have been slammed face first with the ugly stick for no concievable reason especially FF6. But theyre still FF games underneath so that might carry you
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The White Dragon posted:they actually got remakes on the DS but they never came to america There was a GBA remake of FF Adventure (which was actually the first Mana game) but it was horrible.
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Boogaloo Shrimp posted:There was a GBA remake of FF Adventure (which was actually the first Mana game) but it was horrible. ff adventure is a mana game, the ff legend games are saga games 
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The White Dragon posted:ff adventure is a mana game, the ff legend games are saga games Theyre my favorite Saga games because despite not understanding half the mechanics I was able to beat them.
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Romancing SaGa 2 is also on PC and it's rad as hell
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corn in the bible posted:Romancing SaGa 2 is also on PC and it's rad as hell Also on the Switch and mobile. Probably on PS4 and Xbox too.
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corn in the bible posted:Romancing SaGa 2 is also on PC and it's rad as hell See, Id like to trust you but every other Saga game Ive played has been a mess of mechanics and story progression triggers I cant intuit to ever feel like Im accomplishing things on purpose so id like some details here cause Im intrigued
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Barudak posted:See, Id like to trust you but every other Saga game Ive played has been a mess of mechanics and story progression triggers I cant intuit to ever feel like Im accomplishing things on purpose so id like some details here cause Im intrigued That's pretty much SaGa, yeah. The games require you to make attempts, gently caress up and retry with some regularity. "Figuring out how you're supposed to play the game" is part of the game.
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