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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
| Titan |
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12 | 7.19% |
| Stamford |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
| Total: | 167 votes | ||
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1076553971823722496
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Dec 22, 2018 20:20
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While the Chyna stuff is petty and bad like most other McMahon pettiness and terrible behavior it kind of pales to the broader illegal exploitation of thousands of employees that's arguably most responsible for WWE being the untouchable force for evil it is today.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:27
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One of the funniest moments I've ever had at work was getting a contract with the title "independent contractor" on my desk. Immediately pinged my bullshit radar thanks to knowing the bullshit WWE uses to get away with it. Voting for independent contractor, but unless I'm mistaken, WWE never offered Chyna the sponsored rehab that they offered a lot of other former employees? That alone could give Chyna a higher seed in my eyes.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:33
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Maybe they'll take the TV money and pay for room and road trave...hahah nope gonna continue to call them independent contractors to give the workers no rights
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Dec 22, 2018 20:37
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Remember when they required all their "independent contractors" to wear suits when they were traveling? (Except Taker and Cena. Can't ruin the gimmick!)
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Dec 22, 2018 20:39
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ThePariah posted:One of the funniest moments I've ever had at work was getting a contract with the title "independent contractor" on my desk. Immediately pinged my bullshit radar thanks to knowing the bullshit WWE uses to get away with it. Supposedly her team was working on WWE sponsored rehab at the time of her death.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:40
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What does "working on" mean? Like isn't the policy supposed to be that if you need it you can go get it? I have no idea if WWE was offering or if Chyna was seeking it out but the idea that they were "working on it" makes it almost sound like a business transaction with all the other WWE Legends, HOF, and Network stuff. But I have no idea. If any of that stuff is true it definitely elevates the Chyna stuff but still not to the level of what is sorta the core ethical issue with WWE. I'd think there would be major repercussions if the independent contractor thing was ever addressed.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:44
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STAC Goat posted:What does "working on" mean? Like isn't the policy supposed to be that if you need it you can go get it? I have no idea if WWE was offering or if Chyna was seeking it out but the idea that they were "working on it" makes it almost sound like a business transaction with all the other WWE Legends, HOF, and Network stuff. But I have no idea. It's hard to get someone into rehab if they don't really want to go.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:45
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This feels like an easy lay-up for independent contractor status since the former's worker abuses leads to things like what happened with Chyna.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:49
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Davros1 posted:Remember when they required all their "independent contractors" to wear suits when they were traveling? (Except Cena. Can't ruin the gimmick!) It took Cena until like last year to finally start wearing suits that actually fit him and didn't look ridiculous, so that part wasn't that bad
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Dec 22, 2018 20:53
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I want to vote for the Chyna stuff but the independent contractor thing is a big reason as to why the entire industry is unstable to work in.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:56
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MassRafTer posted:It's hard to get someone into rehab if they don't really want to go. Of course, which is why I said I have no idea if she was actually seeking it out and being denied. "Working on it" just seemed like an odd way to describe it since it implied to me a business arrangement. If it actually means "WWE was offering and people close to Chyna were trying to get her to accept" then ok, that's different. edit: Or I guess I should say "I inferred" instead of "it implied."
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Dec 22, 2018 21:13
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Smoking Crow posted:remember when vince russo had faction warfare of nazi bikers vs black nationalists vs puerto ricans Even more hosed up the nazi bikers aka DOA were the faces while Los Boricuas and the Nation of Domination were the heels.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:26
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I'm late, but my thought on the beastiality line was always that Angle/Vince meant something like "beastly" sex instead. I'm probably being too kind going off of this tournament.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:29
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w/r/t factional warfare, that "Gang Rulz" '97 Survivor Series might be the worst PPV ever that's also vitally important to the business.
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Dec 22, 2018 23:30
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D.N. Nation posted:w/r/t factional warfare, that "Gang Rulz" '97 Survivor Series might be the worst PPV ever that's also vitally important to the business. from this template I'd say Wrestlemania 4 was a worse show, but Survivor Series '97 did expose how lovely their roster was when it had to have a bunch of multiman tag matches on there
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Dec 22, 2018 23:58
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bartok posted:Even more hosed up the nazi bikers aka DOA were the faces while Los Boricuas and the Nation of Domination were the heels. Weren't there also a bunch of weird references to DO A maybe working for the undertaker? I remember someone constantly screaming "more like disciples of the undertaker" but it might be me making poo poo up, and hosed if I'll ever go watch that trash again to find out.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:16
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I want this to be true because American badass would make sense
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Dec 23, 2018 01:17
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Those DOA/Boricuas matches were the loving drizzling shits and they dragged that feud on for months and months and goddamn months on end. It's very much a worthy NIT entry.
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Dec 23, 2018 01:20
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Are you telling me you don't want to watch kona crush vs late 90s TNT
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Dec 23, 2018 01:23
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The Undertaker Is A White Supremacist
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Dec 23, 2018 02:11
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I honestly feel pretty lovely right now for paying 99c for three months of the Network, when I immediately cancelled I wish I would have written something about the Saudi show as my reason for doing so, but it would have been kind of hypocritical I suppose as the only reason I gave them most of a dollar is that they made it too good a deal to feel like passing on it at the time. Also, had to vote independent contractor, individual awfulness is bad, but the the IC thing has hurt so many individuals over the years.
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Dec 23, 2018 02:28
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Smoking Crow posted:I want this to be true because American badass would make sense I remember thinking when that gimmick appeared that those comments finally made sense now, and wondering if for some reason DoA would be back.
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Dec 23, 2018 02:44
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the IC status thing wouldn't be so bad if there was a union in play that guaranteed protections for wrestlers but I still fail to see how that would play out fairly and equally. Chyna getting erased is a real shame. I followed her post-WWE career pretty closely and it was a lot of ups and downs. NJPW was a bust, Porn was a terrible fit. She had a lot of issues she was working through real time. But her vlogs were absolutely amazing. It was 5-15 minutes of pure honesty and realness. She had good days, and she had bad days. None of it was filtered, you saw it all. Her last vid was her puttering around her house, showing off little bits of how she was making her day pass. Its a kind of authentic you don't get with a lot wrestlers.
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Dec 23, 2018 02:46
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You could probably do a decent sized tourney based around only how WWE has treated women. I was in awe of Chyna during a lot of of her WWF run and only really soured on her when she actually started wrestling in the womens division, and that can mostly be laid to blame on the awful RTC angle.
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Dec 23, 2018 02:49
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Remorseless Greed vs sending your talent out to get injured and ruin their careers https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1076655868735832064
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Dec 23, 2018 02:55
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I ended up going for Brawl For All because while OTE continuing really sucks I can understand it from the industry mentality that the show must go on. We've seen it many times that people get injured and they keep carrying on because the fans and the viewers are there. Especially he hadn't been called dead by the medical professionals straight away I can get them trying to keep things going and then being swept along in that mindset for the rest of the show.
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Dec 23, 2018 03:04
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The brawl for all is less bad because it ended with JBL getting his face caved in RIP Dr Death
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Dec 23, 2018 03:13
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Wierdly enough, I go for OTE over Brawl for All for similar reasons. OTE just feels like it would have been a devastatingly awful situation to be in. Brawl for All on the other hand feels so loving Pro Wrestling to me. It was a thing that couldn't and wouldn't have happened if the business at the time weren't filled with a bunch of fake fighters and promoters of fake fighting utterly convinced at how tough pro wrestlers were. It's Inokism making a surprising entrance into the WWF before even Inoki went full Inoki with New Japan. I could definitely be wrong, but B4A feels more like self harm than management inflicted harm like most of the things in this tourney do.
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Dec 23, 2018 03:13
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OTE continuing is hosed up. Super hosed up. Owen Hart fuckin died. No way I'd be interested in enjoying live wrestling knowing that.
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Dec 23, 2018 03:15
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B4A confirmed that Steve Blackman was a legit shooter
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Dec 23, 2018 03:15
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Continuing OTE, especially given how the death was caused by WWE gross negligence
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Dec 23, 2018 03:24
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Rarity posted:I ended up going for Brawl For All because while OTE continuing really sucks I can understand it from the industry mentality that the show must go on. We've seen it many times that people get injured and they keep carrying on because the fans and the viewers are there. Especially he hadn't been called dead by the medical professionals straight away I can get them trying to keep things going and then being swept along in that mindset for the rest of the show. this is more of another wwe-ism than something true of the industry. the show that misawa was killed in was completely stopped after his death, as was the jwp show where plum mariko had fractured her skull and died from bleeding on the brain. the wxw show in pennsylvania where gary albright died was also stopped prematurely.
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Dec 23, 2018 03:36
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Brawl for All could have turned out legitimately great if the Wrestlers were smart enough to cotton on to the fact that they would look better, and the fights would be more exciting if they worked them, thus reinventing pro wrestling.
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Dec 23, 2018 03:39
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STONE COLD 64 posted:this is more of another wwe-ism than something true of the industry. the show that misawa was killed in was completely stopped after his death, as was the jwp show where plum mariko had fractured her skull and died from bleeding on the brain. the wxw show in pennsylvania where gary albright died was also stopped prematurely. Did the lucha shows where Perro Aguayo Jr or Oro stop?
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Dec 23, 2018 03:40
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“The show must go on” goes out the loving window when you’re making the man’s best friend and tag team partner go out and work immediately after seeing a gray-skinned Owen be raced past him to the ambulance. Like, gently caress that, holy poo poo Brawl 4 All was catastrophically stupid and grossly negligent, but continuing Over The Edge is straight greed overcoming human empathy for your own goddamn talent, let alone the audience
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Dec 23, 2018 03:53
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What is the ultimate verdict on Bart Gunn? I've heard it said that the Butterbean "fight" was supposed to be "punishment" for scuppering their plans for Dr Death (plans involving a shoot fighting tournament on WWE TV nonetheless), or something like that. Others, like MRT in the explanatory tweet, suggest that they legitimately thought Gunn had a chance of beating Butterbean because he had beaten such luminary fighters as JBL and The Godfather. . Awful stuff regardless, but I couldn't not vote for the other option.
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Dec 23, 2018 03:54
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This is one hell of a tournament, and browsing through it a bit has informed me about some real shady stuff I hadn't heard about at all. There's certainly a pretty wide range of bad stuff in here, labeling it as promotional tactics doesn't quite encompass it at times. Given how much real life shadiness is in here I'd be surprised if a storyline promotional tactic makes it even to the top 8, but my fan brain is curious what the furthest advancing tactics that were just "part of the show" will be.
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Dec 23, 2018 03:56
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As it turns out, WWE legitimately thought Bart could beat Butterbean because they thought Butterbean was a gimmick fighter and not actually able to box, while Bart, hey, he was a college boxer, he’ll totally take the fight! They even sent him to a training camp and he prepped for it pretty intensely. Butterbean even said the day of, “oh hey I can throw the fight, I’m just glad to be at WrestleMania, I love wrestling!” and he got told to go treat it as legitimate, which led to what really is the dry run for that department store boxing segment in Jackass The Movie. The best part of the story is how excited Butterbean was when he won, going backstage and crowing that he was a WWE superstar now
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Dec 23, 2018 03:58
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Hedgehog Pie posted:What is the ultimate verdict on Bart Gunn? I've heard it said that the Butterbean "fight" was supposed to be "punishment" for scuppering their plans for Dr Death (plans involving a shoot fighting tournament on WWE TV nonetheless), or something like that. Vince McMahon thought he could beat up Frank Shamrock because he was taller than him, so it's at least feasible he thought Bart could win.
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