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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
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21 | 12.57% |
| Titan |
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12 | 7.19% |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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for me the big moral issue of OTE was owen's best friends being forced to go out and wrestle on the same surface he died on. it'd be one thing if owen died backstage or something. that's a level of traumatizing I can't even imagine.
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Dec 23, 2018 04:03
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I've been a racing fan my entire life and have seen/been at numerous races that continue on after drivers/fans/marshals were killed, so so OTE continuing on didn't anger me as much as it may have others. But considering how WWF handled things afterward with that farcical tribute show the next night and the footage of his funeral airing (among other stuff), they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all.
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Dec 23, 2018 04:13
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Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if Vince thought Bart Gunn could beat Butterbean, but some of the other guys behind the scenes definitely wanted to punish Bart Gunn for beating Dr Death. In particular JR had a hard on for Dr Death and pushed for him to be signed.
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Dec 23, 2018 05:05
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A thing people don't remember about the Brawl for All is all the guys in the tournament still had to work full house show and raw schedules Like there's a week where Bradshaw very obviously gets concussed and then has to get squashed by Vader the next week
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Dec 23, 2018 05:10
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I guess it's emotional trauma vs. physical trauma. Went with physical trauma in this matchup. And Gods I would dearly have loved to see Vince try to take on an MMA fighter. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Dec 23, 2018 |
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Dec 23, 2018 05:11
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I would go in on an argument for brawl 4 all being in the top 64 things Vince has done
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Dec 23, 2018 05:31
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Smoking Crow posted:Like there's a week where Bradshaw very obviously gets concussed and then has to get squashed by Vader the next week You’re right, brawl for all was actually good.
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Dec 23, 2018 06:01
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Yeah, maybe using Bradshaw as an example of “look at how this hurt guys” is not the best example because Brawl 4 All could have given that gently caress a cerebral embolism and killed him and it would be a net positive for humanity
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Dec 23, 2018 06:16
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I don't feel hugely secure about it but I kind of lean towards the Brawl for All. The ethical grounds for going on with the show after Owen's death are a lot darker, but it was also an abrupt, unexpected situation to which they reacted poorly, whereas the Brawl for All was a planned, premeditated stunt that put pressure on lower-card workers who had far more reason to fear for their jobs if they said no and got them to legitimately injure one another without additional pay or even a reduction in schedule for anyone but the finalists to make up for getting bludgeoned, a big swath of the losers had their WWF careers ended in large part because of it, and the winner, for his efforts, got knocked the gently caress out by a professional fighter and fired. but everyone is not wrong that Bradshaw getting hosed up was pretty okay
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Dec 23, 2018 06:27
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There is a lot of hosed up stuff surrounding Owen's death but I can sort of see a non-greed argument for continuing OTE. Brawl for All was a total disregard for the health of everyone involved. In some ways it feels like the greedier move for less return. Its also another example of Vince viewing the wrestlers as his action figures to play with.
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Dec 23, 2018 07:24
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Where was "going on with the Benoit tribute episode despite already having been told by the cops a few hours before airing that it looked like a murder-suicide" in the bracket?
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Dec 23, 2018 08:10
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CarlCX posted:I don't feel hugely secure about it but I kind of lean towards the Brawl for All. The ethical grounds for going on with the show after Owen's death are a lot darker, but it was also an abrupt, unexpected situation to which they reacted poorly, whereas the Brawl for All was a planned, premeditated stunt that put pressure on lower-card workers who had far more reason to fear for their jobs if they said no and got them to legitimately injure one another without additional pay or even a reduction in schedule for anyone but the finalists to make up for getting bludgeoned, a big swath of the losers had their WWF careers ended in large part because of it, and the winner, for his efforts, got knocked the gently caress out by a professional fighter and fired. Brawl for All wasn't mandated, anyone who wanted could enter. So you get guys who thought they were badasses (bradshaw, dr death), guys who wanted to harm others for enjoyment (steve blackman), guys who didn't want to be there but wanted some free cash (dan severn) and guys who wanted any time on television so they can get some push please (everyone else) well if bradshaw doesn't make you feel bad, how about the fact that PCO was in this tournament and still fought even though he's blind in one eye. steve williams just continuously punches and goes for takedowns on his blind side until the ref stopped it and steve blackman broke his orbital bone and had to pull out of the tournament, but still had to work raw and house shows
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Dec 23, 2018 08:23
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Smoking Crow posted:Brawl for All wasn't mandated, anyone who wanted could enter. So you get guys who thought they were badasses (bradshaw, dr death), guys who wanted to harm others for enjoyment (steve blackman), guys who didn't want to be there but wanted some free cash (dan severn) and guys who wanted any time on television so they can get some push please (everyone else) According to Severn they straight-up barred Shamrock from competing, so if management says this tournament is happening, 16 people out of a roster of 50-60ish need to participate and none of the people management actually gives a poo poo about can enter, the only people you're really left with are Smoking Crow posted:guys who wanted any time on television so they can get some push please (everyone else) and at that point participation may not be MANDATORY, but I wouldn't call it exactly lacking in pressure, either Also Brakkus somehow wound up doing it with no idea it was a real fight, apparently? God, that whole thing.
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Dec 23, 2018 08:45
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the show must go on
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Dec 23, 2018 10:58
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Yeah, you can say that the B4A wasn't mandatory, but there sure was pressure to enter it for the guys who did (except Bradshaw, who thought that he could kick everyone's rear end and is apparently the reason Russo came up with the idea in the first place).
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Dec 23, 2018 12:17
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you've got wrestlers being forced to wrestle in a ring a dude just died in vs wrestlers being forced to shoot fight for money and perks? stepstool layup if you ask me.
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Dec 23, 2018 18:44
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The Croc posted:might of been the granny panties angle with molly holly but maybe not either way both sucked and the molly one was worse because she's the nicest person in wrestling ever. The Molly angle confused the poo poo out of me as a kid because she was the prettiest one on the TV.
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Dec 23, 2018 19:32
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I think that's when I first realized that there was a disconnect between the fans and the showrunners lol. Like up until then I was assuming they were just trying to write a fun tv show, but then I realized there was all kinds of backstage drama and pettiness and lovely people with spiteful grudges and mcmahons ruining it and trying to push their politics and beliefs.
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Dec 23, 2018 19:34
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bartok posted:I had nearly forgotten about the treatment of Chris Kanyon and then I remember that segment on Smackdown where he comes out of a crate dressed like Boy George and the Undertaker just wails on him then it ends with a really nasty unprotectected chairshot. It's pretty loving hard to watch and doesn't paint Undertaker in a good light. Taker is an insanely huge piece of poo poo who constantly shut down labor organizing on behalf of Vince, helmed a lot of abuse and hazing with "wrestlers court" and iirc there's more than one occasion where hes taken liberties with someone in the ring
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Dec 23, 2018 20:09
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Super No Vacancy posted:the undertaker is a white supremacist Yeah.
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Dec 23, 2018 20:10
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MassRafTer posted:Now with all of that said the HHH vs Booker feud is worse than it appears too because we've had Ricardo and ADR both come out and state HHH tells racist jokes backstage and breeds further racism with his permissive attitude. Hes used white supremacist iconography in his personal branding for like 20 years
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Dec 23, 2018 20:26
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The Cameo posted:There can sometimes be perverse fun looking at old shows and being surprised by how randomly an incredibly offensive thing will just pop out in the middle of one, no matter if it’s a RAW or a PPV or Smackdown or whatever I streamed an episode of thunder at random a while ago and the Lenny and Lodi stuff is shockingly offensive
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Dec 23, 2018 20:42
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I feel like the Owen stuff all could've been rolled into one entry, so I voted B4A. Legit harm to several roster members for no discernable reason (was it even a draw?) including career-ending injury was incredibly stupid and careless, especially for a company who was still deeply rooted in kayfabe at the time. I think their mistake at OTE wasn't continuing the show (common practice in most forms of performance), it was announcing his death on the air at the show to everyone with like an hour left to go and THEN expecting them to continue. The humane thing to do for the sake of their performers was that they easily could've waited to officially announce it or keep the news to a tight circle until it was over. Hedgehog Pie posted:I'm late, but my thought on the beastiality line was always that Angle/Vince meant something like "beastly" sex instead. I'm probably being too kind going off of this tournament.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:25
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mkay0 posted:It’s only obvious to people who listen to Dave enough to realize that half of what he says is coded language. To the layperson, he’s calling her fat. WWE urging all the women to get implants and then progressively larger ones is worse and weirder than anything Dave said. They literally wait for people to get implants before pushing them.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:25
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Here's what everyone always forgets about OTE '99: Owen falling to his death broke the ring. So everyone had to be herded out to wrestle in an unsafe ring that their friend/colleague had just broken by falling to his death. Yeah. So I voted OTE continuing.
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Dec 24, 2018 01:53
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I can't hate Brawl 4 All because Bradshaw getting loving wrecked owns.
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Dec 24, 2018 02:34
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And it being his fault no matter what the story behind it is makes it even better He literally asked for it
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Dec 24, 2018 02:55
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TheKingslayer posted:I can't hate Brawl 4 All because Bradshaw getting loving wrecked owns. Yeah but Savio Vega got hurt and never wrestled for the company again.
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Dec 24, 2018 02:57
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MassRafTer posted:Yeah but Savio Vega got hurt and never wrestled for the company again. we should celebrate it that a man was able from this pit of sin and villainry
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Dec 24, 2018 03:04
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It killed Steve Williams's chances of a big Austin program and kind of ended his career Maybe if he had some Austin dollars he wouldn't have to do things like get his rear end kicked in Pride to pay for his cancer treatments
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Dec 24, 2018 03:19
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He hung out with Oklahoma after but that's not good
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Dec 24, 2018 03:20
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Are there any stories behind "taker is a white supremacist"?
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Dec 24, 2018 05:59
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Monkeycheese posted:Are there any stories behind "taker is a white supremacist"? It boils down to him liking every Blue Lives Matter meme he can find.
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Dec 24, 2018 06:22
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he also does all of the white supremacist hobbies and activities like watching the nfl and wrestling.
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Dec 24, 2018 07:29
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Cavauro posted:he also does all of the white supremacist hobbies and activities like watching the nfl and wrestling. Also carrying a gun everywhere, but that's likely just that he's Texan. Generally he's just a big white redneck with money, whose oldest and youngest kids are 19 years apart and who will probably work for Vince until he dies because he has no other marketable skills.
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Dec 24, 2018 08:52
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He’s also a biker.
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Dec 24, 2018 09:31
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he divorced his ex wife for not continuing to dye her hair blond
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Dec 24, 2018 09:32
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I don't find continuing the show that bad in the grand scheme because I can get in the very immediate aftermath going "Oh god gently caress gently caress gently caress uh WORK". Stuff like Brawl For All where they put their talents' health in danger for shits and giggles is why Owen died, and it was done in the Owen aftermath.
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Dec 24, 2018 09:40
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MassRafTer posted:It boils down to him liking every Blue Lives Matter meme he can find. Wasn't there something about him supporting an actual white nationalist biker woman on RAW?
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Dec 24, 2018 11:02
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Gonzo McFee posted:Wasn't there something about him supporting an actual white nationalist biker woman on RAW? That is Taker Talk beyond my pay grade. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1077235439579394054
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