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Check this cute Avatar and gang tag I got for donating to the Terry Fox Foundation CanPol! Marvel at it! Makes you forget how poo poo our political climate is!
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Dec 23, 2018 18:50
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PT6A posted:The economics of a pipeline are fairly simple to understand. The market is willing to bear a certain overall price for petroleum products, because there are many different sources for oil. This has to include the costs of transportation and refining, because at some point the product needs to be transported to where it's needed and turned into a useful form. If you reduce the cost of transport or refining, then the producers can take a bigger share of that money, which is what they are hoping the pipeline will do. If there’s a defined refinery capacity or some other bottleneck then more product actually would decrease the price. Increasing throughput of one step in the process doesn’t increase all the other steps as well.
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Dec 23, 2018 19:29
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Helsing posted:Me too honestly. Still one of the weirdest forum interactions I've ever had here. I would never have guessed how many people were willing to openly defend high level collaboration with Nazis. Yeesh, calling out Freeland's relationship with her likely Nazi collaborating grandfather is one thing but likening her to "high level collaboration with Nazis" sounds like something straight out of the very obvious Russian smear campaigns because Canada sent some troops to the baltics. You've brought this up like 10 times now in this thread, and people call you out each time because it's a weird fixation, not because its an invalid point. I feel like you're a broken record with this and you seem to drag it out every opportunity you get. Like, you brought this up in relation to Jagmeet Singh's response to sikh extremism, and it took some really weird stretching for you to loop back yet again to this point Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Dec 23, 2018 |
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Dec 23, 2018 19:48
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It's weirder to me that goons will dig up posts from 15 pages and ten days ago just to signal that they're more politically progressive, or something, not really sure what your game is here buddy.
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Dec 23, 2018 20:04
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Helsing is the Canadian Greenwald.
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Dec 23, 2018 20:06
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Rime posted:It's weirder to me that goons will dig up posts from 15 pages and ten days ago just to signal that they're more politically progressive, or something, not really sure what your game is here buddy. Not everyone reads the thread every single day dude
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Dec 23, 2018 20:12
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Oysters Autobio posted:Yeesh, calling out Freeland's relationship with her likely Nazi collaborating grandfather is one thing but likening her to "high level collaboration with Nazis" sounds like something straight out of the very obvious Russian smear campaigns because Canada sent some troops to the baltics. The high level collaborator I was referring to was her grandfather, who you bizarrely defend here by downplaying the 100% probability that he worked with the Nazis. His own relatives, who have seen his archived newspaper, have confirmed that he collaborated. This isn't speculative. Nor is it ambiguous whether Freeland knew what he had done prior to all those glowing interviews where she talked up how important he was to her and how his particular vision of an independent Ukraine had inspired her. You're right though, the fact our foreign minister is on the record saying her greatest political influence was a high level Nazi collaborator is definitely one of those stories that you comment on once and then forget about. How passe to be outraged or to want some actual political consequences for someone saying their biggest political influence was an ethno-nationalist who actively helped the Nazis cleanse the Jewish population of Eastern Europe.
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Dec 23, 2018 20:42
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I'm absolutely amazed at how many people are willing to swallow the idea that increasing our output of oil to China twenty-fold will magically make the price go up.
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Dec 23, 2018 20:51
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I feel like some random newspaper editor isn't a 'high level collaborator' but you do you Helsing
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Dec 23, 2018 20:58
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Let me know when you see Freeland wearing her Daughters of Odin jacket.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:01
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leftist heap posted:I'm absolutely amazed at how many people are willing to swallow the idea that increasing our output of oil to China twenty-fold will magically make the price go up. Worked for luxury condos.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:06
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You understand that under the program of "Aryanization" the Nazis literally gave Chomiak his newspaper to run after stealing the equipment from somebody they murdered, right? And under his editorial hand the paper ran recruitment advertisements for the SS and praised the ethnic cleansing of Jews. If receiving a printing press from the Nazis and then organizing a team of writers and using that printing press to help the Nazis recruit more soldiers while covering up and apologizing for their crimes against humanity does not count as collaboration then what exactly does in your mind?
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Dec 23, 2018 21:08
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Yes, let's not over sell the import of our Minister of Foreign Affairs idolizing a Nazi collaborator. Probably not really a big deal TBH
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Dec 23, 2018 21:08
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Helsing posted:Nor is it ambiguous whether Freeland knew what he had done prior to all those glowing interviews where she talked up how important he was to her and how his particular vision of an independent Ukraine had inspired her. My googling is failing me a bit on my phone. Do you have any links handy to those interviews where she discusses her grandfather's influence on her? My impression before reading this was that the Russians highlighted this story when Freeland became a minister, and that Freeland responded poorly by implying it was fake news. In political terms I am not surprised she obfuscated the story.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:09
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infernal machines posted:Yes, let's not over sell the import of our Minister of Foreign Affairs idolizing a Nazi collaborator. https://twitter.com/cafreeland/status/768200606695776256?lang=en Nothing gross about this, no siree, you'd have to be some kind of weirdo to be offended by this.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:16
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I'm more revolted (but not surprised) by Freeland's overt embrace of the interests of the plutocratic class after literally writing a book that warned of the increasing divide between their reality of the world and the one that most people experience.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:19
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cowofwar posted:I didn’t read this but I’m unsure as to why I should not be cynical when proportional representation failed for the third time. Canadians are loving garbage and I don’t benefit from the change so why I should I keep trying to get idiots to not vote against their self interest? Proportional representation failed because of bad leadership, starting with the decision to hold a referendum in the first place. Quebec is just going to get to have proportional representation because they're legislature will pass it in a bill, turns out we could have just done that.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:20
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Powershift posted:Worked for luxury condos. Good point
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Dec 23, 2018 21:22
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Helsing posted:https://twitter.com/cafreeland/status/768200606695776256?lang=en A person having fond memories of their families even if their families were horrible people is pretty normal. To be so obsessed with a 2.5 year old milquetoast tweet that you constantly bring it up is pretty weird, yeah
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Dec 23, 2018 21:29
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Chrystia Freeland posted:I'm also a proud member of the Ukrainian-Canadian community. My maternal grandparents fled western Ukraine after Hitler and Stalin signed their non-aggression pact in 1939. They never dared to go back, but they stayed in close touch with their brothers and sisters and their families, who remained behind. For the rest of my grandparents' lives, they saw themselves as political exiles with a responsibility to keep alive the idea of an independent Ukraine, which had last existed, briefly, during and after the chaos of the 1917 Russian Revolution. That dream persisted into the next generation, and in some cases the generation after that. 
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Dec 23, 2018 21:29
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Why are people in this thread acting like nobody should care about this, what the actual gently caress
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Dec 23, 2018 21:39
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Because a person having fond memories of their family is normal (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 23, 2018 21:40
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A Typical Goon posted:A person having fond memories of their families even if their families were horrible people is pretty normal. We're talking about the holocaust, gently caress you.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:41
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Tighclops posted:Why are people in this thread acting like nobody should care about this, what the actual gently caress Because it's extremely normal to repeatedly talk about how inspirational your Nazi collaborating family members were and how they deeply influenced your current political views
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Dec 23, 2018 21:46
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Tsyni posted:My googling is failing me a bit on my phone. Do you have any links handy to those interviews where she discusses her grandfather's influence on her? Here's an article in the Globe establishing that Freeland was well aware of her grandfather's actions during the War The Globe and Mail posted:Ms. Freeland, who has paid tribute to her maternal grandparents in articles and books, helped edit a scholarly article in the Journal of Ukrainian Studies in 1996 that revealed her grandfather, Michael Chomiak, was a Nazi propagandist for Krakivski Visti (Krakow News). Here's an article on Freeland from before the revelations about his Nazi past were widely known. She characterizes her grandfather as a "refugee" and conveniently avoids talking about what he was actually doing during the war. The Toronto Star posted:‘Magical’ childhood The Toronto Star posted:But politics was bred in her bones. Both parents were lawyers, having studied law at the University of Alberta. Her father, Donald, ran for the provincial Liberals under Nick Taylor, a move his daughter calls a “suicide mission” in Alberta, and her late mother, Halyna Chomiak Freeland, ran unsuccessfully for the New Democrats. (A great-uncle, Ged Baldwin, was a crusading “Red Tory” MP.) The Toronto Star posted:Freeland was stunned by a speech by U.S. president George H.W. Bush in Kyiv in August 1991, urging independence-minded Ukrainians to work with the hated Soviet Union — which would implode four months later. “It was a moment of cognitive dissonance for me. My Ukrainian grandparents had a better understanding of what was going on.”
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Dec 23, 2018 21:47
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flakeloaf posted:Because a person having fond memories of their family is normal Indeed, you can love your Nazi collaborating grandfather, but you might have the decency to keep quiet about how swell a guy he was.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:54
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weird rear end delusions of sacred ancestral homelands, which your actual ancestors were driven from for being nazi shitheads, can lead to spending billions of nato fun-bucks propping up today nazis in a frozen shithole no one actually cares about.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:58
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If anyone here doesn't know what "Black Ribbon Day" is, go look it up and realize how hosed up it is to post a tweet celebrating Nazi collaborators as your way of commemorating that day, even if they were your beloved family members.
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Dec 23, 2018 22:04
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Helsing posted:We're talking about the holocaust, gently caress you. No, we're taking about Chrystia Freeland, born in 1968, 23 years after the holocaust.
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Dec 23, 2018 22:53
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The first reply to that tweet is Ben Norton making GBS threads on her and laying out why her grandpa was a Nazi collaborator lmao idk who that lady is or what she does but she's hosed up if she is going to bat for the old man.
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Dec 23, 2018 23:03
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He's got a point, Mrs. Freeland has probably never personally committed a holocaust.
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Dec 23, 2018 23:04
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A Typical Goon posted:No, we're taking about Chrystia Freeland, born in 1968, 23 years after the holocaust. We're talking about Chrystia Freeland commemorating a Nazi collaborator on a day specifically set aside for remembering the holocaust. I'm honestly baffled by why you are defending this. Nobody is saying she can't fondly have private memories of her grandfather and his farm but sorry when she is specifically praising his influence on her politics and lying about his past to make him seem like a victim when he was actually a collaborator then that's really not OK and the idea it's somehow weird that I'm seriously offended by this and openly saying so is one of the most bizarre reactions I've ever seen someone have on these forums.
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Dec 23, 2018 23:12
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What would you have done differently if you were in Chrystia's grandpa's jackboots?
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Dec 23, 2018 23:25
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if you're in the dirt, shut the gently caress up not hard.
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Dec 23, 2018 23:37
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Postess with the Mostest posted:What would you have done differently if you were in Chrystia's grandpa's jackboots? who amongst us has not made public apologia and praise for our Nazi collaborator grandparents?
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Dec 23, 2018 23:38
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Lightning Knight posted:The first reply to that tweet is Ben Norton making GBS threads on her and laying out why her grandpa was a Nazi collaborator lmao idk who that lady is or what she does but she's hosed up if she is going to bat for the old man. She is our trade minister and spent the whole summer hanging out in your country negotiating
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Dec 23, 2018 23:38
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Furnaceface posted:She is our trade minister and spent the whole summer hanging out in your country negotiating Ew, gross. Fire your trade minister, OP.
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I don't think François-Philippe Champagne has committed any particular fireable offence (unless maybe terminal blandness is fireable?)
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