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Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

13 December 1944

Japanese fast transport T-12, torpedoed by USS Pintado southeast of Formosa.

14 December 1944

Japanese escort No. 28, torpedoed west of Luzon by USS Blenny.
Escort destroyer HMS Aldenham, mined southeast of Pola.

15 December 1944

Japanese escort No. 54, sunk in the Luzon Straits by US carrier aircraft, and escort destroyer Momo, torpedoed west of Luzon by USS Hawkbill.

I'm curious, is Japan able to down a single boat from December 1944 up until the end of the war via navy? I think it's literally 100% kamikaze only kills.

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OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

Mans posted:

I'm curious, is Japan able to down a single boat from December 1944 up until the end of the war via navy? I think it's literally 100% kamikaze only kills.

In a surface action? I don't think so. But there are a handful of conventional JNAF kills and sinkings by mines as well the Indianapolis.

18 December 1944

What, at this point in the war, is capable of seriously damaging the US Navy? Nature. Three destroyers, Hull, Monaghan, and Spence, capsize during a severe typhoon in the Philippines. Between the three, some 91 men survive, of whom 55 were rescued by the heroic efforts of the DE Tabberer, which sustained substantial damage in the course of rescue operations. Eight carriers, a cruiser, and nine small ships were also damaged and 146 aircraft lost.

Slightly more prosaically, the RAF knocks out the German torpedo boat T-10 by sinking its floating dock in Libau.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

18 December 1944

What, at this point in the war, is capable of seriously damaging the US Navy? Nature. Three destroyers, Hull, Monaghan, and Spence, capsize during a severe typhoon in the Philippines. Between the three, some 91 men survive, of whom 55 were rescued by the heroic efforts of the DE Tabberer, which sustained substantial damage in the course of rescue operations. Eight carriers, a cruiser, and nine small ships were also damaged and 146 aircraft lost.

didn't Halsey get into trouble for this because he was in command at the time and sailed the fleet into this poo poo

DarkParchment
Sep 23, 2016

A new power is rising! Its victory is at hand! This night, the land will be stained with the blood of Rohan!
(small parenthesis, thought it might be fun to share it. If you don't like it Grey, I'll edit the message out of existence since it's, well, your LP to begin with)

Hey guys, I heard you wanted to know what might happen if the Chinese, after getting beaten pretty much everywhere in China, thus reassembling everything at Chunking, decide to sally about 50 units out of their fortress?

The screenshots that follows are what happened in my Japanese game after I carelessely ordered a unit to rout some Chinese battered units, in the hex just south of Chunking, while I'm assembling to assault the city in the hex at it's left. I wasn't expecting them to do...well this.

I swear if one day I have to choose a picture to illustrate ''overkill'' in the dictionary, I'll choose the following screenshot (complete with two others to illustrate the strenght ratio in another way). My poor, poor soldiers never stood a chance. It was so brutal some guys even died more than once. Respect to them for inflicting some casualties on the enemy nonetheless.





Seriously, what could they have done against THIS?



CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench
Well now the murder stack is out of the city, so you can grab Chungking behind them and hold it with the terrain defense bonus. Just, uhh, watch out for the murder stack from now on / send air assets at them.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Someone will know how many superforts were lost in real life. I think I may be getting there with my totals!






Oh go home will you.



At least they are taking losses today!






Not a bad day, we did some damage for only a few losses.



Only one of these kills is real apparently.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

DarkParchment posted:

(small parenthesis, thought it might be fun to share it. If you don't like it Grey, I'll edit the message out of existence since it's, well, your LP to begin with)

Hey guys, I heard you wanted to know what might happen if the Chinese, after getting beaten pretty much everywhere in China, thus reassembling everything at Chunking, decide to sally about 50 units out of their fortress?

The screenshots that follows are what happened in my Japanese game after I carelessely ordered a unit to rout some Chinese battered units, in the hex just south of Chunking, while I'm assembling to assault the city in the hex at it's left. I wasn't expecting them to do...well this.

I swear if one day I have to choose a picture to illustrate ''overkill'' in the dictionary, I'll choose the following screenshot (complete with two others to illustrate the strenght ratio in another way). My poor, poor soldiers never stood a chance. It was so brutal some guys even died more than once. Respect to them for inflicting some casualties on the enemy nonetheless.

So this is why most PBEM people like stacking limits :v:

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Another day, another downed superfortress. The secret is kryptonite bullets.






My planes scythe through the attackers today!



They are bringing their A-game for sure!






I think the new combat drugs issued to the pilots are working.



The K/D ratio is off the charts today!






My boys were on a mission today! Good for them! Tomorrow troops should be landing at Manus – down a few thousand on the planned amount, but hopefully enough to make a difference!

BulletHole
Aug 20, 2003
"I own this fat j-bag, oh yes i do." Sehnsucht
Did you change something with the settings of your planes? Seems like a pretty radical change in outcome, especially for the planes around the Marianas.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
Nope.

Lakedaimon
Jan 11, 2007

Maybe the USN CV pilots were having such an easy time of it they let the flight deck crew take em for a spin

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
Do carrier pilots start to degrade in performance if they have to keep making daily strikes/sorties?

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.

tatankatonk posted:

Do carrier pilots start to degrade in performance if they have to keep making daily strikes/sorties?

Yeah, there is a Fatigue statistic which builds up with strikes, sweeps, etc. Could be the AI is pushing them so hard they're running into high FAT (which I think is a 1-100 scale) so they're under-performing.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

19 December 1944

Unryu, one of the rare war-built fleet carriers in the IJN, blows the gently caress up after USS Redfish puts a torpedo into her forward magazine southeast of Shanghai.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
That's some.. Real nice flying. Definitely promote those pilots and reinforce those islands with more fighters! Uhm, I suppose reinforcet hem with more fighters /after/ the CV's have left raiding.

Also is it owrth it to rotate the pilots from those islands back to Japan to be in training rotation or is that not worth the micro it takes?

10:1 air to air kill ratio today. DAMNED nice flying by the Army.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

OpenlyEvilJello posted:

19 December 1944

Unryu, one of the rare war-built fleet carriers in the IJN, blows the gently caress up after USS Redfish puts a torpedo into her forward magazine southeast of Shanghai.

Is that the one where the Sub skipper didn't kill the kill because no one else in the USN believed the carrier existed?

Log082
Nov 8, 2008


Comstar posted:

Is that the one where the Sub skipper didn't kill the kill because no one else in the USN believed the carrier existed?

Nope! That was Shinano.

The captain described it perfectly, only for everyone to go "Haha that doesn't exist, that sounds like someone slapped a carrier on top of a Yamato! And we already sunk both of those anyway!"

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Serpentis posted:

Yeah, there is a Fatigue statistic which builds up with strikes, sweeps, etc. Could be the AI is pushing them so hard they're running into high FAT (which I think is a 1-100 scale) so they're under-performing.

Americans... too FAT??

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

aphid_licker posted:

Americans... too FAT??

WitP correctly looks around while programming the game predicts the obesity crisis.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






Hey, this almost looks like a proper invasion.



We bag a Liberator.



We take hits, bit I want to be able to take a base in 1945!






No repeat of yesterday it seems.






So I've got the AV at Manus up to 650, with a lot more troops and engineers ashore. Another force is heading down as well, but they are taking a bit more of a circuitous route.



Two ships lost so far, but I'll trade them for the taste of victory.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






This sub provides slow and steady kills.



Casualties and damage mount as we push forward with the landings.



Oh thank god.







The Americans still have subs.






Manus passes 700AV, with 14,000 front line infantry.



There are even two armoured recon units ashore! Another day should see the end of this.



It is costing me though.

mercenarynuker
Sep 10, 2008

Has Grey sunk any of the Allied subs? I'm hoping for a day where the escorts or ASW patrols just go apeshit on like the Stingray or something

Jesenjin
Nov 12, 2011
I thought BB Ise looks weird, like it was half carrier.
Went to wikipedia and I was suprised that it was a half carrier in the later part of the war. But... It was converted due to carrier shortage. I just cannot see it happening in this timeline of weak carriers and strong battleships.

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
Maybe if we threw some BB guns on these weak-rear end carriers we can make them worthwhile - IJN design department, 1944

dublish
Oct 31, 2011


Grey Hunter posted:

Manus passes 700AV, with 14,000 front line infantry.



There are even two armoured recon units ashore! Another day should see the end of this.

Does it matter that you have units attached to different armies and fleets? The navy units and the army units aren't going to start attacking each other rather than the Americans, right?

barman
Jan 29, 2013

dublish posted:

Does it matter that you have units attached to different armies and fleets? The navy units and the army units aren't going to start attacking each other rather than the Americans, right?


It matters a lot, a prepped HQ being present provides a bonus to up to 90% of the assault value of the attacking units.

Imperial command does not have a prepped HQ present and all units report to different HQ's and grey lacks the Political points to change it

In short , this force is understrength, undersupplied, underprepared, disrupted and not commanded.

It will take some really lucky die rolls to make this work.

Just don't say the combat engine is broken, game does not like me, etc. War = planning

pthighs
Jun 21, 2013

Pillbug
I think there is some argument though over how much of that command structure stuff was ever actually implemented in the game.

barman
Jan 29, 2013

pthighs posted:

I think there is some argument though over how much of that command structure stuff was ever actually implemented in the game.

Well, let's put it this way: This command structure has the certainty of NOT adding any bonus to the assault value .

Another issue might be the engineers, combat engineer squads have a assault value (AV) of 1
All grey's engineer units are base forces, which do not have combat engineers or have an AV of 0, so the only combat engineers he has are the organic combat engineers in the units, some of them which see to have a total combat value of 3-14 instead of 100-200.

Grey, just put some combat engineer units, some HQ's of these units and a tank division there

mercenarynuker
Sep 10, 2008

barman posted:

It matters a lot, a prepped HQ being present provides a bonus to up to 90% of the assault value of the attacking units.

Imperial command does not have a prepped HQ present and all units report to different HQ's and grey lacks the Political points to change it

In short , this force is understrength, undersupplied, underprepared, disrupted and not commanded.

It will take some really lucky die rolls to make this work.

Just don't say the combat engine is broken, game does not like me, etc. War = planning

Well, in the sense that Grey has units draining his political points that he can do literally nothing about, we can say that at least to SOME degree the game doesn't like him

barman
Jan 29, 2013
He can disband them , put the pilots in reserve and disband the air groups

Otherwise grey, put a (old) savegame here and some of us can have a look at it, things are more fun with political points

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.

barman posted:

He can disband them , put the pilots in reserve and disband the air groups
...

Except he's already established that he CAN'T disband some of those because they've glitched out and so they drain his PP without an option to remove them.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Serpentis posted:

Except he's already established that he CAN'T disband some of those because they've glitched out and so they drain his PP without an option to remove them.

Didn't he have like 20,000 PP saved up or something like that?

dublish
Oct 31, 2011


Generation Internet posted:

Didn't he have like 20,000 PP saved up or something like that?

Maybe at one point, but it says he's got 0 now.

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.



pthighs posted:

I think there is some argument though over how much of that command structure stuff was ever actually implemented in the game.

There's debate but I think the main view on the Matrix forums is that having HQs in range helps, but that the actual HQ to which the units are assigned doesn't matter. There are certain situations involving air units where OOB stuff matters a little, though.

But barman is right that Grey has no HQs there at all so like, either way it would help.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
I'll see you doubters by the wall after the victory.

and yeah, trying to disband the two bugged airgroups crashes the game.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Grey Hunter posted:

I'll see you doubters by the wall after the victory.

and yeah, trying to disband the two bugged airgroups crashes the game.

This is the game representing the now ex-generals assassinating the High Command.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Can you hex edit to giv eyou more POlitical Points based on this being a literal game breaker of a bug?

Dunno-Lars
Apr 7, 2011
:norway:

:iiam:



Is it possible to send the savegame in to the developers and ask them to either fix the bug, or fix the savegame?

With such a niche product, I would expect superb customer service.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

wedgekree posted:

Can you hex edit to giv eyou more POlitical Points based on this being a literal game breaker of a bug?

I have absolutely no experience using the editor but I've read PBEM threads where people use it to fix bugs on the fly in their games, maybe you could use it to delete the groups?

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Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






One more day of this lads, your doing good work.



The allied fighters get their revenge.






Right, we have all the troops ashore now, time to get the transports out of there, then give them a few days to catch up on planning and recover from the disruption of their landings. Then the attacks begin!



Just in time as well!

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