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GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Gruckles posted:

Shido remaining prime minster and his co-conspirators trying to cover things up seems unsustainable even if the public is in a state of disbelief at the moment.
His heart's been changed so he's presumably going to be constantly trying to confess, kill himself, and/or make amends another way. Or they're just going to have to keep him locked up under the pretense of medical issues literally forever.

Maybe they could spin this into part of his public brand as such a humble and pure public servant that he feels responsible for all the social ills he didn't do more to curb.

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Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


It's not just denial. We'll get into it, but the public have completely abdicated any responsibility to determine the truth, many choosing instead to find refuge in oppressive cynicism. "Sure, maybe he did some bad poo poo, but maybe he didn't! Who's to say, really? And even if he did, all politicians are trash, whatever. Can't get worse than it already is!" People are just giving up on any sort of free thinking in favor of comforting platitudes and yes, denial of the reality standing right in front of them. These aren't really spoilers, the game's kind of spelled this out already.

This part of the game honestly works pretty well for me.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Part 180.5: 12/22: Side Note: This City Is Built On Lies

Well, let’s see what the citizens of Tokyo have to say now that they can’t spoil the game for us.

Music: Disquiet





He’s seriously still going on about the Phantom Thieves? What a hopeless idiot… He’s stuck in some kinda dream world.
They’re not responding well to this at all… something’s wrong…



I don’t even know anymore… Apparently, the Phantom Thieves were also just an internet rumor.
Oh, well. All of that stuff pretty much has nothing to do with us.



Something’s definitely off here…




Ah, Newspaper Club Member. I’ve missed our chats.



You went back to your parents’ place, right? Well, let’s make this next year a good one. I feel this weird vibe in the air. I wonder if it’s because of all the election chaos. The information the mass media is showing is pretty complicated, and it’s getting me frustrated.



I’m sorry to hear that. Hopefully something good will happen this year. I feel this weird vibe in the air. I wonder if it’s because of all the election chaos. The information the mass media is showing is pretty complicated, and it’s getting me frustrated.



Ahaha, acting cool, are you? Let’s make this next year a good one. I feel this weird vibe in the air. I wonder if it’s because of all the election chaos. The information the mass media is showing is pretty complicated, and it’s getting me frustrated.





Oh, you mean the new prime minister? Hey, do you remember all the fuss about the Phantom Thieves?
It’s like none of it ever happened. Pretty insane, if you ask me.
No one could really steal someone’s heart like that. We’re so dumb for believing any of it.




I pretty much failed all my finals. I’m so screwed…
You just need to adopt a new mindset. Get a fresh start in the spirit of the new year. Still, the year could have ended better. I mean, we still haven’t decided on a prime minister.





Well, there’s been a big change in government. We can make that same kind of change next year!
I dunno if this big change in government is a good thing. Shido collapsed, and he looks worn out. Mannn, it’s almost Christmas! Can’t something good happen already?



No, I voted for someone named Yoshida. He’s not the kind of politician who stands out though.
So he’s plan and simple like you? That’s hilarious!
Well, I trust serious, low-key people more for that kind of job. Oh, how’d you do on your finals?
Gah… Sensei, you’re plain and simple, all right. Plain and simply cruel…

Kind Faculty Member is a good guy.



Was it all just some illusion? Am I really just going crazy?



Right!? The Phantom Thieves really do exist! It’s weird that I feel insecure about this though. I mean, I used to idolize them so much…



Hey, come on! Don’t tell me you didn’t know about their glorious comeback!? It’s weird that I feel insecure about this though. I mean, I used to idolize them so much…




We should just stop pursuing this story, like the director instructed us to…
He was serious when he said that the station won’t broadcast reports about the Phantom Thieves. The look on his face made me think that there’s no guarantee we’d live if we disobeyed him.




I can only request this of you, my right-hand man, for you are the one who saved me!
G-Great Sun God…! I will follow you!
Then raise your hands with me! Wake the apostles of light, sleeping in Shibuya!



Remember I still have this guitar/Don’t forget, I still have this song/ Hm, something’s not right… The whole city seems like it’s in a daze… The big bad got his just desserts, and that totally rocks, but… Where’s all the excitement?





My heart is suffering, too…
What!? Are you sick!?
It’s almost Christmas, and I don’t have a boyfriend…
Oh, you…







Wh-What’s wrong, Senpai?
...It’s my loss, Kouhai.
So it’s just like Shido said… Political power backed by just vanity and lies isn’t needed.

I have no idea what these pick-up artists are talking about, but that’s nothing new.




Yes, we need him to bring real change to Japan. My son is nearing his entrance exams. I want a better Japan waiting for him on the other side.





From what I saw on the internet… it looks that way. There’s no actual proof. Anyone who really believed in that was an idiot. How could a heart be stolen, anyway?
I might be an idiot… but it would be nice if they were real…
Ah, uh… yeah, I guess.






The politician who’s supposed to lead our country has fallen ill…
It’s the same sort of tragedy that happens in every era. Heroes fall before reaching their goals.
If we could just give him a little of whatever life we have left to live...



Now on to the next track on our countdown of this year’s hits… This one’s from the popular idol Rise Kujikawa-san, who has garnered support across the board.
Hmph, who do they think they are, acting so happy? Nothing in the world’s been solved at all.

Don’t talk that way about Rise, old man!




Hey… You can cry if you want. You don’t have to hold it in.



*sniff* I want to see you again… Kotaro… *sob*
You’re a good girl for doing your best not to worry Kotaro. And now, he’ll be watching us from the sky.

I’m not crying. You’re crying. Shut up.




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...Only Shido knows. We’ll have to wait for him to get better.
Some people are trying to build a case against him, but it’ll be impossible to find him guilty.
Yeah, he’s the leader of the ruling party. The current prosecution can’t touch him.





I voted for Shido! United Future won with a landslide victory! But then I heard Mr. Shido got sick after campaigning too hard…
Oh, what perfect timing. Sheesh, you can never count on politicians.




That guy is finished. Why isn’t the garbage media covering the Phantom Thieves?
For a netizen, you’re pretty uninformed. Didn’t you hear? The Phantom Thieves never existed. All along, the stories about them were just information terrorism, planned out by foreign countries.



Yes, a celebrolution! I’ve become a billionaire from stock trading! Listen. It’s about Prime Minister Shido. The companies… all linked to him…
Yeah, OK, good for you. Man… The weird ones always come out near the end of the year.

Music: Beneath the Mask



Who knows? Maybe it was a broadcasting accident. I heard it might have been a prank, too.
It’s also strange how no one’s seen Shido. Especially since he was so confident at the beginning. I’m starting to not care about the elections. It’s not like they’re going to change anything, anyway.



They don’t talk about the Phantom Thieves on TV anymore, either. Is everyone going crazy?
Yeah, my parents are suddenly saying the Phantom Thieves were never real at all…
Mine too! It’s so weird… I can’t stop thinking about it whenever I try to do my homework.



But the Phantom Thieves never even existed? So, what we saw was… what? An illusion?
*meow?*
None of the regulars seem to care anymore. I’m so confused…



This place… It suits ya. And with them Phantom Thieves gone, I know ya’ll be safe.
Yeah… People are saying that maybe they were made up after all.
I wonder what they really were… It’s kinda sad, knowin’ they’re gone.

Let’s finish this off by hearing from our irreplaceable stereotypes over in Shinjuku.



Fishy? No, you smell more like a beast. You really need to shower, even in the wintertime.
That’s not what I mean! Isn’t it weird that they’re saying the Phantom Thieves were just an illusion?
Yeah… They were Akechi-kun’s rivals, too. I wonder if they’re trying to cover something up…

And that’s it for Tokyo. Kinda depressing, kinda cynical, kinda insensitive, and all weird. I hope you guys found some value in my transcriptions of all this bullshit, because it’s a huge pain in the rear end and I suspect it’s just as boring for you as me. But, it’s interesting to see the way some of these arcs change and evolve as the game progresses.

Arist fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Aug 25, 2019

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

Arist posted:

It's not just denial. We'll get into it, but the public have completely abdicated any responsibility to determine the truth, many choosing instead to find refuge in oppressive cynicism.
Would you say that someone needs to... reach out to the truth for them? :haw:

Roluth
Apr 22, 2014

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

Would you say that someone needs to... reach out to the truth for them? :haw:

On that kind of tangent...how did our protagonist get the Metanav in the first place? It just popped up on his phone that one day, with no prior contact with the collective consciousness. And why did Akechi have the exact same app as the Thieves? In P4 the origin of the protagonist's powers was important, and I'd bet that it is just as important here.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

Would you say that someone needs to... reach out to the truth for them? :haw:

In this case it's more they need to be slapped out of their indolence.

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Roluth posted:

On that kind of tangent...how did our protagonist get the Metanav in the first place? It just popped up on his phone that one day, with no prior contact with the collective consciousness. And why did Akechi have the exact same app as the Thieves? In P4 the origin of the protagonist's powers was important, and I'd bet that it is just as important here.

Joker's (and party) metanav comes from Igor. The method Akechi used to access the Metaverse is unknown, but it's presumably through another metanav; how he got that is unknown.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Clarste posted:

The final villain being voter apathy is real cool actually.

I would say it's not blaming the victims so much as the bystanders, the ones who knew something was wrong but did nothing. Like, even from the very first arc (Kamoshida) it was mentioned that some people knew what was happening but looked the other way as long as the school's volleyball program was improving. Those are the people we're targeting now.

Huh. Okay, that's a good point. So it'd be like "the only way for evil to prosper is for good folks to do nothing" sort of deal.

On the other hand, this is Persona 5 writing so I feel it's 50/50 on whether the writers can nail it in the end or bungle it all up.

Omobono posted:

Joker's (and party) metanav comes from Igor. The method Akechi used to access the Metaverse is unknown, but it's presumably through another metanav; how he got that is unknown.

Considering 3 and 4 had some explanation why the MC is their chosen one, I'm rather curious why Igor picked Joker of all people. I'm guessing that's gonna be answered this dungeon.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Joker had his life ruined by the bald bastard at the center of this year's Collective Stupidity Vortex and is also Igor's favorite kind of person: a blank slate who is inhumanely good at everything and attracts like-minded losers to his cause.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains

quote:

All along, the stories about them were just information terrorism, planned out by foreign countries.

Well this is not topical at all.

Also its clear that the public is not ready to discard the image of Shido they created for themselves.

Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved

amigolupus posted:


Considering 3 and 4 had some explanation why the MC is their chosen one, I'm rather curious why Igor picked Joker of all people. I'm guessing that's gonna be answered this dungeon.
What? I mean 3, sure. But for 4 they might as well have picked names out of a hat.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

This feels a lot like the end of persona 2. Will we fight Hitler at the end of the game?

eternaldough
Jan 16, 2017

Stroth posted:

What? I mean 3, sure. But for 4 they might as well have picked names out of a hat.

It was still a reason given, even if the reason was 'you got lucky'.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Regarding the sudden "plot twist", I feel like it's something that Shido's cronies did deliberately. I mean, they're the ones who have access to all of the research and were employing it for their own gain, so I figured it was some kind of "information bomb" that they set off to take the heat off of Shido's confession while they figured out what to do.

I'm sure that the actual explanation that the game gives us will be much less interesting.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Grapplejack posted:

This feels a lot like the end of persona 2. Will we fight Hitler at the end of the game?

God, I hope so.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Seasonal.



(Even filled with holiday cheer Makoto looks like she'll murder you.)

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Haru is happy because she knows they'll never find the bodies cute.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Christmas Cake? Ugh...where's the Yuletide Lobster?

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Alkydere posted:

Christmas Cake? Ugh...where's the Yuletide Lobster?

With the power of other Let's Plays we can do both!

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Alkydere posted:

Christmas Cake? Ugh...where's the Yuletide Lobster?

Kawakami isn't in that picture though?

Blue Labrador
Feb 17, 2011

I'm excited about seeing this last part of the game in LP form to see how much the writing holds up outside of its presentation.

All that being said, I'll always appreciate a jrpg going off the rails for the sake of thematics over a jrpg going off the rails for the sake of convoluted plot jank (barring Wild Arms 5 because that legitimately might be the worst written jrpg I've ver played in my life good lord).

Makoto and Haru are both v. cute in that picture.

GhostStalker
Mar 26, 2010

Guys, find a woman who looks at you the way GhostStalker looks at every bald, obese, single 58 year old accountant from Tulsa who managed to win $4,000 by not wagering on a Final Jeopardy triple stumper.

Grapplejack posted:

Kawakami isn't in that picture though?

I got that reference, but I gotta ask, is that still a thing culturally in Japan? Not Christmas Cakes in general, but in relation to women, I mean.

Req.Martyr
May 4, 2016

I don't go by my caste, creed, or religion. My works speak for me.

Well none of the others you can be romantic with are there. only the Thieves

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

GhostStalker posted:

I got that reference, but I gotta ask, is that still a thing culturally in Japan? Not Christmas Cakes in general, but in relation to women, I mean.

As I understand it, it's become mostly a thing older people believe.

GhostStalker
Mar 26, 2010

Guys, find a woman who looks at you the way GhostStalker looks at every bald, obese, single 58 year old accountant from Tulsa who managed to win $4,000 by not wagering on a Final Jeopardy triple stumper.

VanSandman posted:

As I understand it, it's become mostly a thing older people believe.

That's about what I figured. Though I guess parents pressuring their children to get married by a certain age is a fairly universal thing.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

With the power of other Let's Plays we can do both!



There's a Pokesweets LP?

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Kurieg posted:

There's a Pokesweets LP?
Close enough.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?




Part 181: 12/24: End Of The Line



Anon: thinking hurts my brain
Anon: so what WERE they??
Anon: just destroy this country
Anon: nothing changed. Boringggg




…… You and everyone else… You’ve all grown so much… No, this is no time to get sentimental. We’re going to end this on a bang! All right, let’s go!

For sure. We’ll take care of this first thing.

Music: Suspicion



...Right after we go to school! Why do we have class on Christmas Eve!?

…… It’s finally time. You think it’ll go well?



Right. It’s something only we can do. See you at the usual place after school. I’ll tell everyone to come.



How’d you do?
drat… I’m dead…
Hey, look at that! Look who got the top score!
I wonder what score I got...



Hahaha, eat poo poo peons! I am your superior!

That’s amazing! Everyone’s gonna have their eyes on you now!

Maaku gains Charm +3. That’s it. There is no other reward, and it is entirely pointless to do well on this exam because we already have maxed Charm.

Now, let’s head out for real!

Music: Disquiet




“The door to the depths of Mementos has been opened…” Wait, does that mean--

The others nod.

...We’re really gonna do this, right?
Of course!
Why’re you askin’ now?



I-I just thought, what am I gonna do if you guys freak out and bail on me!





Isn’t Mona-chan behaving… a little odd?
You know, you’re right…
Yeah…
……



Music: Mementos



For some weird loving reason, they decide to start you on the first floor of Mementos, despite us needing to go to the very loving bottom. I guess it’s because they can’t guarantee you’ve ever actually progressed beyond the first floor, because they were assholes and pretended this poo poo was optional when it actually wasn’t, but can you imagine if you’d never set foot back in Mementos, coming in here and having to go through like sixty-something floors of this bullshit? Thankfully, we got all the way to the last gate on our previous visit, so we’re fine.

Anyway, let’s head back up to the entrance.



gently caress everything, let’s just go home.



We don’t know when the police might come after us, so we should avoid heading outside for now.
But doesn’t not being able to replenish our supplies put our entire plan at risk?
In that case, how about we just go to the shops we need…? No wandering outside though.
...That seems to be a valid point of compromise. What are your thoughts, Joker?



Psssshhh, it’ll be fiiiine.

Just remember you can never be too cautious, OK? If we get caught this time, we’re done for.
Guess that means no more goin’ for beef bowls ‘til we figure out what to do with Mementos…
All right then, where are we going?



Eh, never mind.

Mkay, the search continues!

In Persona 4, the final dungeon was a surprise, so the game let you temporarily leave the TV world on the last day of the game to go shopping for weapons and supplies. This is just following from that example.



Anyway, let’s warp down to that final floor we reached.



It should be. Why, what’s wrong?
I dunno, it looks just like all the other ones… I was thinkin’ it’s a little disappointin’… Maybe we worked too hard to get down here or something.
The lack of unforeseen circumstances is nothing to complain about. Let us continue.



“Iweleth” means “stupidity.” Appropriate.



It’s some big, fossil-looking thing… Is that the Treasure…?



So this is where that crowd of people was trying to reach…?
People are walking in and out of there, so the other side of the wall must be… Wait! It’s not a wall, but a giant door…?
Guess that means the Treasure’s not here. C’mon, let’s stay focused.







I bet that means the inner depths the Meta-Nav was talking about before are right ahead.
Hold on. The door only opens from this side…
...What do you mean?
Well, I took a quick peek at the mechanism inside the door… And it looks like you can only open it from here. We can get in, but nothing can get out.

Then how are we going to get out?

It’s as though whatever lies within has been locked away…
Wait, so you’re saying that the people going in there are choosing a life of imprisonment…?
I have never felt such eerieness before… What is this place…?
We’ll find out once we reach the depths. Come on, let’s go.

Music: Freedom and Security



It’s so creepy…
So those strange pipes tunneling through Mementos were originating down here after all… You know, I have been considering this for some time… but they remind me somewhat of veins…



I mean, what does everyone think this world is…!?
Calm down, Lady Ann. The Treasure is definitely here, and that’s what’s important now. And I can sense something else… A tremendous presence that’s coming from much deeper within…
I don’t know that I want to find out what that may be… but we must harden our resolves. It’s time to head for the depths!



Well, we’re in the belly of the beast now. Let’s proceed onw-wait, what?



Hey, Caroline. What are you doing outside of the Velvet Room?




You… Hmph. ...Guiding inmates along in their rehabilitation is our duty… OK. I’ll help you a bit.



It feels like my stamina and health has recovered somewhat...
(blushing) You surprised!? Something like that is nothing for us! Come back here again if you get wounded, Inmate!

Now, this is the game throwing you a bone. It knows that you’re pretty hosed if you run out of SP here and don’t have any restoratives, so it allows you to replenish your HP and SP with Caroline. Unfortunately, this does not replace any bullets you use, so watch out.



Up ahead, we find a crowd waiting before a door.

It looks like they’re all trying to get past that door…
But why’s it so crowded!?
It looks like the door’s keeping them all out. We’ll have to try and look for another way in.



Conveniently, there are platforms we can jump to nearby.




Huh, it looks like we can go in through here too. Be careful, OK?




The Shadows out front were trying to get in here, right? What could it be…?




Up ahead, we immediately come across a peculiar room.

Music: Desire





Are those… chains on them? ...Is this a prison!?



Technically speaking, I would say it’s someone’s Shadow…




Don’t open the cells, OK? I have no intention of leaving this place…!



What’re you saying? You’re being kept in a prison.
This reminds me of Kamoshida’s castle… They’re like the “slaves” we saw there.



In the depths within is a system that grants desires…
A system that grants… desires?
Something like that exists…? Here!?
It’s no use. You can’t reason with these people.
They’re truly “distorted,” just like the scenery here…
You end up searching for stuff or being troubled because you’re outside the prison. There are things you don’t need to know to live on.
He’s right. Things like the details on the system, the locked “Quarantine Cell”…



Quarantine? Who’s locked in there?
Supposedly a great and truly dangerous criminal, but who would want to check a place like that? Come now, we don’t have to chat like this. Why not come inside?







Removing your restraints is not allowed. Outsiders… must be eliminated!




These guys are weak to Wind and use Physical and Hamaon. Simple.

Music: Suspicion



Wait a sec… This is everyone’s Palace, right? Not like Kamoshida’s castle… Who’s keepin’ these people here…?
Mona-chan…?



I’ve… seen this place before.



Hold on though. It wasn’t open until we came here today.
Sorry… It’s just a sense I’m getting. Still… it feels like I’m really close to remembering something important…
Y’know, comin’ in here was what you wanted from the beginning. We just gotta keep movin’ on!
On top of that, I’m curious to know who the ruler of this place is.
Yeah… You’re right.
Wait, what about these people…?
Leave them be. They’ll be taken care of if we erase Mementos.
Hey, it’s dangerous to keep standing around here! Let’s get going!

Music: Freedom and Security

Before we continue, I’ve got some exciting news! See, if I’m going to spend the rest of my loving life doing this, I figure I might as well make fat stacks in the process! So, I’ve decided to sell the gently caress out and accept one of the many corporate sponsorship deals that have been cluttering my inbox! Now, I’m a discerning, careful person, so I wouldn’t pick just anyone. No, I could only the best, most responsible, ethical, and kind partnership, which is why I chose…



Amazon dot com, baby!!!!! Surely there is no company with a better reputation at the current moment!

no, you’re not doing this

...I’m being informed that my time is better spent elsewhere. Which is why I went with the runner-up, Facebook!

NO

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.



Anyway, we now encounter our first enemies.



And I start to notice, to my chagrin, that this update might as well be called “Maaku Hamiru And The Dungeon Full Of Enemies We Already loving Have!”

This is Moloch. It’s weak to Ice, uses Fire and Psy, and inflicts Fear.



This writhing mass is our target for the afternoon.



The world is already complete… There’s nothing left to do…
The hell…? Is this some kinda prison cell too…?
Plus there are those blood vessel things coming down into it…



I hosed up an ambush on these Melchizedeks. Again, weak to Wind, use Hamaon and Physical.



Hm, what’s this?






Calm down. It doesn’t seem like it’s a trap or anything. Try touching it again, Joker.



Hmmm. There seems to be more to this prison, but right now this is a dead end for some reason.
Then this must be a security system. Will we be able to proceed if we disable it?
...Prolly. I’ll need you to look into it a little more though. Do it again, Joker. It looks like touching it turns it back off, so it can’t be that dangerous, right?



Maaku turns the device back on.




So the color of a spot changes when you walk on top of it… Joker, try making the entire floor blue for now.
D-Dude, you have any idea what that’s gonna do? Are you sure it’ll be safe?
Eh, all great things start with a leap of faith! The decision is yours, Joker!

Well, that’s certainly one way to approach this. Our objective now is to make all the tiles blue.



We start on A1 (which does not start as a blue tile), then move south through B1 and C1, east to C2, north to B2, east to B3, north again to A3, then west twice through A2 and finally back to A1.



The last tile that turns blue needs to be the one we started on, because this will happen.



Aha… It’s probably connected to the color of the floor somehow. So since we changed all the spots on the floor to blue, the device’s color changed too. Joker, try touching it now.

Joker touches the device. If this was not the final space we stepped on, the device will turn yellow again the moment we turn one of the other tiles back, so watch out.



The path forward lowers and the weird Legend of Zelda chime sounds.



So that device is not only a switch, but also the wall that’s blocking our path.
That’s a pretty elaborate device…
It is only natural that security is tight in a prison. Then again, no inmates actually wish to leave…




Ugh, can’t you just try takin’ it easy on us this time!?



This is kind of bullshit, because you don’t automatically enter the fight. Instead, the instant the cutscene ends, you’re detected by the enemies and they start chasing you.



Suffice it to say, I gently caress up the preemptive strike again. These Nebiros(es) use Physical and Curse, including instant-kills. They’re weak to Bless.



This is Gozer Lillith. It uses Ice, Fire, and Wind, can remove buffs and debuffs, and can drain your SP. It’s weak to Fire.



Nobody listens if we try to oppose them… All that happens is our spirits are crushed… It might be smarter to just accept life for what it is and surrender to their will…
This is just like how I used to be… If I had stayed like that, I would sound just like her now…!



This is Dionysus. It has no weaknesses and uses Debilitate (a hosed-up move that lowers all three of an ally’s parameters), Electricity, and Physical. It also can use Thermopylae to raise all three of its own parameters if you ambush it.



All of this is going to end soon anyway… You might as well patiently await your demise…
It’s all… going to end? What is he saying…?

Eh, I’m sure that ominous warning is nothing to worry about.



Following those things is the only correct way of living. What is there to be confused about? Anyone who can’t do that is just an outcast. All you really have to do is obey the rules…
How pathetic… He should be more aware of his situation…



Up ahead, we run into another puzzle device.



It should be, for the most part. Give it a try, Joker.




The mechanism should still be the same though. We just need to make all of them blue in the end.



Stepping on the blue tile returns it to yellow, of course.



Okay, this one is barely any more complicated than the last one. The only complication is that we have to double back a couple of times.

Start on A1, then head south once to B1. Then, head east to B2, and immediately head back to your only option, B1. Then head south twice through C1 and D1. Then go north again to B1. You will notice that A1, B1, and C1 are all still yellow, so head south again to C1, then go north through B1 to A1. All of the circles are now blue.

Continuing on…



No matter how much they beat or kick you… it is all for your own self-benefit in the end… If anything, I should feel thankful… This is exactly what I deserve…
...It hurts hearing this. I had the exact same mindset in the past…



One more puzzle.



Again, a rather basic shape that should not be too difficult to figure out.



Once more, start on A1. South twice through B1 and C1, east to C2, south to D2, north back to C2, west back to C1, north back to B1, east to B2, and finally head west to return to B1 and north to A1.




It truly seems to go on ad infinitum… Where does it lead?
I never expected there would be this much here… But the Treasure’s presence is getting stronger. We’re going in the right direction for sure.







At the bottom, we find another circular room.



Music: Desire



Oh, poo poo! Was not expecting to see ol’ Mophead McSpeedo again!



No… Madarame…




Father isn’t around anymore…
...Sorry.

Smooth, Futaba.

No, it’s OK. More importantly, look there.



Hooray! More Shido!






I finally get to live without having to think for myself now.
I mistakenly thought myself to be talented… but now I think I’m a fool for wanting too much.



Even this Kaneshiro’s facial expressions are great.

I’m done actin’ like a big shot. Who cares if I’m stupid? It’s not like you get punished for bein’ dumb. Nobody needs to strive to be more than they really are.
These people seem completely different than they were before…
I don’t think it’s because they had a change of heart though…
Wait… Have they chosen a life of captivity after they lost their distorted desires…?
Unfortunately, Okumura isn’t here with us.




Ice cold, Haru. Nice.

Now if you don’t mind, what in the world is this place?
It’s supposedly called the “Prison of Regression.”



More importantly, does this look like captivity to you? Why, it’s the exact opposite. The utmost freedom is available to anyone who desires it here. This is the freedom to not make decisions… The release from having to think for yourself.



It is far more marvelous than the country I wished to create…
Release from having to think…? But that’s…
However, there are some fools who cannot stay put in this place. In other words, they are escaped convicts… Of course, I’m talking about our past selves. Such people are segregated from this peaceful world and locked away in their own Palace.
So those are the Palace rulers…



We… sent ‘em back here…?
I don’t understand… Just what have we been doing by using the cognitive world…?



C’mon, guys. This is definitely weird and certainly changes our understanding of “distortions,” but we’re about to gently caress this place up anyway. It doesn’t really matter.

That’s true, but…
This ain’t the time to be gettin’ confused! We’re here as the society-fixin’ Phantom Thieves today!
Having the freedom to not make your own decisions only means that someone else is controlling you! Tell me. Who is the ruler here? Who made all of this…?
What an odd question to ask. It should be obvious: every member of the general public.

I mean, yeah, duh. We kinda knew that. Or at least, I thought we did.



Haven’t you learned anything in school? The collective ruler of a democratic society is its people.
D-Don’t lie outta your rear end like that! I mean, there was a guard here earlier! That means someone’s gotta be lookin’ out for you guys, right?
You may be right. We are the ones “looking out” upon everyone else.



So the ones who least want the prison to be tampered with… are the prisoners themselves…?
It don’t matter what this guy’s talkin’ about… We’re gonna erase all of Mementos anyways! C’mon, let’s keep goin’! Mona! The Treasure’s in the deepest part, right!?




I saw the humans in here… and realized I looked different than them for some reason…



Is that why you thought you would regain your true form if we destroyed Mementos?
Sorry… I’m still missing a lot of my memories… But I know I started randomly checking a bunch of Palaces… Then my next memory is about that bastard Kamoshida’s.





Dammit… We got careless!
Let’s run!




And that set of revelations is going to close this update. What’s really going on with this country-wide distortion? What lies at the bottom of Mementos? How am I going to cover my rent for this month with no promotional deals? Tune in next time to find out!

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Merry Christmas, everyone. Got this one just in under the wire for the dates to match, so enjoy the slightly early present. There's a (small) chance I won't be able to update for a few days after this, so sorry if that happens, by the way.

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Arist posted:




Ice cold, Haru. Nice.

It really is. I went with Haru like you did, and when I got here, I knew... I knew I had chosen aright. :allears:

Oh yes, and Merry Christmas, if that's your thing. Wow, a year and eight months... thanks for sticking with this so long, Arist. And Ari too!

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

The final dungeon overstays its welcome really drat fast.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Arist posted:



Wh-What’s wrong, Senpai?
...It’s my loss, Kouhai.
So it’s just like Shido said… Political power backed by just vanity and lies isn’t needed.

I have no idea what these pick-up artists are talking about, but that’s nothing new.

Christmas is generally seen as a romantic holiday for couples in Japan. Given the story arc for these two chucklefucks, I'm guessing that "Senpai" hasn't been able to score any dates recently, and assumes that his "Kouhai" has been managing to get lucky behind his back. He's upset because the Christmas decorations are reminding him that he's a dateless loser, and that he's going to spend Christmas alone. The other guy, for his part, has no idea what the gently caress is going on and was presumably just trying to talk about current events before the first guy snapped.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Good to see that Kamoshida's still as much of a creep as ever.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Funky Valentine posted:

The final dungeon overstays its welcome really drat fast.

it's a cool drink of water after the B O A T

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Arist posted:

Merry Christmas, everyone. Got this one just in under the wire for the dates to match, so enjoy the slightly early present. There's a (small) chance I won't be able to update for a few days after this, so sorry if that happens, by the way.

Oh no! Now the update synchronicity is going to be all out of whack, like a party's levels if one of them dies just before you beat the boss!

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
I hope you get a better sponsorship deal, Arist :ohdear:

Also the "isn't freedom from thinking really what society wants??" theme is both really dumb and really overdone

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

GeneX posted:

I hope you get a better sponsorship deal, Arist :ohdear:

Also the "isn't freedom from thinking really what society wants??" theme is both really dumb and really overdone

Considering the rise in totalitarianism in the world it is an important thing to repeatedly cover.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

Hunt11 posted:

Considering the rise in totalitarianism in the world it is an important thing to repeatedly cover.

Yeeeah, there's a lot of Authoritarian wonks getting power and they all generally freak the gently caress out over the concept of anyone who questioning authority or asking questions.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Eh. Even if we're secretly been The Man this whole time, was anybody we collared, even in the upper reaches of Mementos, doing anything but lashing out for their own benefit? Madarame just needed to copy a few more paintings from grieving parents, then he would have freed us all!

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Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change

Funky Valentine posted:

The final dungeon overstays its welcome really drat fast.

It really doesn't help that it got boring real quick. Also, I -believe- that the door you enter for the Depths is basically a Point of No Return, hence why Caroline is outside giving you free heals for HP/SP. Because I THINK the game gives you some BS telling you you're not allowed to turn back or something, I didn't have to turn back on my playthrough, so it might be conjecture on my part, but it wouldn't be the first time a Persona game restricted your access to shops once the final dungeon comes around.

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