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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
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12 | 7.19% |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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Sad to see Gabe playing himself like that. You hate to see it.
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Dec 24, 2018 17:44
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Probably made it so this will get less RTs because people don't want to get blocked by Gabe but I couldn't resist. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1077263744504381441
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Dec 24, 2018 19:24
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why would you not want to be blocked by gabe?
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Dec 24, 2018 19:42
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Much as I hate Trump and the company being in bed, developmental abuse easily since it's the type of lovely thing only the WWE does/did.
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Dec 24, 2018 19:52
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You kill all the alternatives so that you are the only game in town, and then you hire people and abuse them as you wish because where the hell else are they going to go? Trump is our hosed system becoming obviously tumorous, WWE is the system.
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Dec 24, 2018 19:58
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wwe was just one of many corporations complicit in trump, and it really isn't that surprising. Bill Demott literally destroyed careers and ended plenty of careers before they even got started. He hurt so many people that we'll probably never really understand the full extent of it. This is a pretty clear one imo
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Dec 24, 2018 20:34
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Low Desert Punk posted:wwe was just one of many corporations complicit in trump, and it really isn't that surprising. Bill Demott literally destroyed careers and ended plenty of careers before they even got started. He hurt so many people that we'll probably never really understand the full extent of it. This is a pretty clear one imo They were the only company funneling that much money into the Trump Foundation though. The question is did Vince get worked by Trump into doing that or was he complicit in the Trump Foundation fraud?
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Dec 24, 2018 20:49
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Pretty shocked that so many people see hazing as worse than money laundering to manipulate the presidential election process.
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Dec 24, 2018 20:57
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mkay0 posted:Pretty shocked that so many people see hazing as worse than money laundering to manipulate the presidential election process. "Hazing" makes it sound like people were dressing up like a hot dog in the Quad to get into a frat, not years and years of sanctioned physical, sexual, and psychological abuse hurled at people that couldn't defend themselves edit: I totally get why people would vote the other way and I agree, the demott thing just hits a certain nerve of disgust for me that's hard to shake. both are awful, obviously Low Desert Punk fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Dec 24, 2018 |
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Dec 24, 2018 21:12
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Low Desert Punk posted:"Hazing" makes it sound like people were dressing up like a hot dog in the Quad to get into a frat, not years and years of sanctioned physical, sexual, and psychological abuse hurled at people that couldn't defend themselves I mean that's basically what hazing is in a lot of places as I understand it.
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Dec 24, 2018 21:15
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njsykora posted:I mean that's basically what hazing is in a lot of places as I understand it. That's pretty much it. A lot of hazing is super scummy and disturbing but is overlooked as "Boys being Boys" and "Tradition" or other such bollocks to decorate serial abuse up to and no-doubt including Rape. While Bill Demott probably didn't rape any of the trainees, his record of abuse is enough to earn my vote. Harley Race thought this guy was too cruel to effectively train guys, yet they kept with him until there was sufficient pressure to remove him.
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Dec 24, 2018 22:04
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mkay0 posted:Pretty shocked that so many people see hazing as worse than money laundering to manipulate the presidential election process. While there could have been a quid pro quo in mind, it's not like anyone was expecting Trump to be president anytime soon in 2007 and 2009. And, if it WAS WWE like the Foundation's tax filings say, there were perfectly legitimate companies donating to the Foundation in lieu of an appearance fee and the like, such as Norwegian Cruise Line and (probably) Comedy Central. The simplest possible explanation is that it was WWE and they got skittish about the company itself being tied to the Foundation once Trump became more toxic with the birther stuff. That also tracks with how they keep WWE completely divorced from Trump by never mentioning his HOFer status or Linda being in the cabinet. Vince and Linda doing it personally really doesn't make any sense based on the available facts. Why not use their own foundation for the donations, for starters?
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Dec 24, 2018 22:47
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To me these are both emblematic of the same issues rotting at the core of American society. Both have caused torment and abuse through racism and misogyny but Trump has effected so much on a grander scale that it had to be my vote. DeMott was harming trainees, Trump's been harming everyone.
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Dec 24, 2018 23:54
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Much like how you could do a whole tournament on how WWE has treated women in the past, you could do another, much larger one, probably on the many awful things Trump has done. This particular awfulness was tacky, likely illegal, and painful to watch but I don't think it was top tier in the worst WWE has done, and likely isn't even top 100 in the Trump brackets. As much as I am disgusted by their association with the man, I can't really say WWE got him elected to the Presidency anymore than I could lay it individually on any one of the innumerable media platforms that gave him valuable time. Trump is a big loving mess, but WWE is just one small part of it, where they are much more culpable in the abuse of trainees.
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Dec 25, 2018 00:07
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I posted it to reddit with MRT's permission. This is the first comment: Re #13, the treatment of Vicky Guerrero... let’s not put all the blame on the WWE for that one. Yes, the way they presented her was awful and bordering on bullying, but the crowd were more than happy to encourage it, laugh at her and join in with the mockery. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/a9abjh/ny64_vote_for_wwes_most_disgusting_promotional/
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Dec 25, 2018 01:33
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The bonkers thing about the trainer abuse is that they used to completely wear it on their sleeve. Remember that Tough Enough when Bob Holly beat the poo poo out of complete rookie Matt Cappotelli for no loving reason? And that was portrayed as "the business"? Now imagine that being systemic, and add rampant sexual harassment to it too. The Trump thing probably wouldn't even be on here if he wasn't such a public figure now.
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Dec 25, 2018 01:36
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In the old days, that would happen a lot. Ole Anderson and Stu Hart (among others) were famous for beating up trainees to see if they were tough enough for the business Like Dave says, WWE are the last carnies
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Dec 25, 2018 01:50
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Didn't Hulk Hogan have his leg broken by Hiro Matsuda when he was training him? Great business full of great people.
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Dec 25, 2018 01:57
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atsushi onita stuck firecrackers up hayabusa and mr gannousuke's buttholes and lit them while they were young boys
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Dec 25, 2018 02:02
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Smoking Crow posted:atsushi onita stuck firecrackers up hayabusa and mr gannousuke's buttholes and lit them while they were young boys When was the last time a fed had an "Anus Explosion Deathmatch" where that was the only way to win?
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Dec 25, 2018 02:08
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sticklefifer posted:When was the last time a fed had an "Anus Explosion Deathmatch" where that was the only way to win? DDT had one in March.
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Dec 25, 2018 02:11
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This isn't the FMW 64 but man, they really poo poo on hayabusa at every turn
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Dec 25, 2018 02:11
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The trainer abuse might not be as bad as the Trump stuff but it is a really good reminder that nothing will get better under HHH.
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Dec 25, 2018 02:17
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forkboy84 posted:Didn't Hulk Hogan have his leg broken by Hiro Matsuda when he was training him? I think that is Hogan telling stories but Billy Robinson completely hosed up Iron Sheik as a trainee for thinking he could out shoot him.
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Dec 25, 2018 02:21
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I'm not sure if this is proper of me but I'm struggling to separate Trump from the Saudi business, and that in itself has some hefty implications. Then there's everything else as well. This second round is going to be hard.
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Dec 25, 2018 03:58
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Here's another one with interesting implications! https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1077400995947311104
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Dec 25, 2018 04:24
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Point: The harm done to the family of Nancy Argentino exists independently of the honoring of Jimmy Snuka. If you wanted to incorporate the WWE's alleged role in enabling Snuka's freedom at the time, then this is a simple win, but it's not included. The damage done to the career of Mike Jones can be traced to his treatment in this storyline/dynamic. Counterpoint: Honoring Jimmy Snuka in this day and age is an absolute symptom of the disease that made this tournament possible. Counterpoint: There is a definite argument that could be made that Mike Jones was a performer that despite that angle, or possibly (gulp) even because of the exposure this angle got him, hit his ceiling as a worker and an earner. His skillset maxed out at 'mediocre' in all regards. Counter-Counterpoint: Soultrain Jones was rad and maybe he could have just been that. There are worse things than to rip off than Apollo Creed. Counter-Counter-Counterpoint: the role of 'nWo's toady' wasn't designed for Jones, he undercut Charles Wright to take on that role. Counter x4 Point: Perhaps the reason Jones was forced to take that drastic route was because he didn't exactly have a career at that time, possibly because of typecasting. Counter x5 Point: We're forgetting the time Dibiase made an old, down on his lucky Nikolai Volkoff do even (historical context aside) worse. Does anybody else remember Volkoff stripping down in the ring and putting on a pair of tights reading 'Property of the Million $ Man' then wearing them for the remainder of his WWF career? A career that didn't even include any sort of comeuppance? I'm not even sure how this incorporates into the overall argument. I'm just bringing it up.
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Dec 25, 2018 05:13
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WWF absolutely and comprehensively covered for Snuka's murdering Nancy Argentino. Vince McMahon himself was onsite when the police came to interview Snuka. The autopsy report confirming it was a homicide was sealed for unknown reasons. WWE honoring Snuka is a victory lap for them beating the murder charge. The Virgil thing is disgusting but Virgil is a pretty fuckin carnie himself so its whatever.
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Dec 25, 2018 05:34
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Since you only have seeded the honoring of Snuka, it's become a catchall for the entire murder and coverup in a way, and that's why I felt compelled to vote for it.
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Dec 25, 2018 06:30
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coconono posted:WWF absolutely and comprehensively covered for Snuka's murdering Nancy Argentino. Vince McMahon himself was onsite when the police came to interview Snuka. The autopsy report confirming it was a homicide was sealed for unknown reasons. WWE honoring Snuka is a victory lap for them beating the murder charge. Vince didn't meet with the police for weeks after the murder. The cover up was probably mostly done by Muraco and Fuji who were locker room fixers and wouldn't need any instruction to help cover for Snuka.They were the ones who were actually there.
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Dec 25, 2018 06:43
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Vince did the murder and made it look like he was just covering for snuka.
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Dec 25, 2018 06:54
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Cavauro posted:Vince did the murder and made it look like he was just covering for snuka. Now that's the good poo poo.
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Dec 25, 2018 07:06
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Also I've decided to alert the former TNA Mecca. https://twitter.com/DiscussPW/status/1077380892803452929?s=19
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Dec 25, 2018 07:08
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I'm sorry? Did we...achieve accord with TNA Mecca?
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Dec 25, 2018 07:28
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MassRafTer posted:Vince didn't meet with the police for weeks after the murder. The cover up was probably mostly done by Muraco and Fuji who were locker room fixers and wouldn't need any instruction to help cover for Snuka.They were the ones who were actually there. The timeline I saw had Vince being present during the police interview of Snuka(which happened a few weeks afterwards). AFAIK, they didn't take a statement from Snuka at the time of discovering the body. Again, the whole thing is suspect as gently caress.
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Dec 25, 2018 07:43
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Yeah this a tough one. Virgil may be carny as poo poo but even carnies don't deserve racism and man did WWE double down on it. But than the Snuka stuff, even if Vince didn't do it it's more than likely they helped cover up a murder...
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Dec 25, 2018 08:04
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MassRafTer posted:I think that is Hogan telling stories but Billy Robinson completely hosed up Iron Sheik as a trainee for thinking he could out shoot him. Hogan told the story on the first day of his training, Matsuda broke his leg deliberately, and only agreed to train him once he came back. The Iron Sheik story was that during his training, he said as an former Olympic wrestler, that Robinson wouldn't be able to pin him. So Robinson agreed to the "match", and when Sheik got into the referee's position, Robinson immediately drove his knee into Sheik's thigh, loving him up. Jericho told the story of how on his first day, without any training, Keith Hart made him take a backdrop. Jericho landed on his feet instead of bumping, so Hart locked him in a stretch hold as "punishment" for showing off. Al Snow said training his training, he saw his trainer pop someone's eye out of its socket and stomp on it.
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Dec 25, 2018 16:31
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I don't remember the source for this, but wasn't part of the cover story that they convinced police that Snuka was an *actual* savage who didn't know what he was doing?
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Dec 25, 2018 18:28
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sticklefifer posted:I don't remember the source for this, but wasn't part of the cover story that they convinced police that Snuka was an *actual* savage who didn't know what he was doing? That was from the DVDVR sleaze thread. Wouldn't put too much stock in it.
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What are meltzers and alverezs final 4 picks.
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