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Lightning Knight posted:Unrelated: I move down to Texas on January 7th (although it's a bit of a drive so I won't get there until the 8th) and I'm currently job hunting. I plan on joining San Antonio DSA once I get my money situation in order, what other local organizations in South Texas are worth looking into? I assume the local Democratic Party is in absolute shambles. Austin Red Guards are gonna getcha
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zoux posted:Austin Red Guards are gonna getcha lol whatever
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Austin Red Guards broke up so lmao A lot of organizing in Texas is around immigrant rights struggles. Don't know about San Antonio DSA but I hear they're good
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Austin Red Guards broke up so lmao Due to wreckers and splitters I'm sure
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San Antonio DSA Our Revolution San Antonio Texas Organizing Project MOVE Texas RAICES Esperanza Peace and Justice Center Bexar County dems are currently rebuilding after factional strife
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It speaks to just how bare the Democrat bench is when people who lose races are still catapulted into national regard
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Spiritus Nox posted:If we were to get a congress with the will to pass Medicare For All, I don't think President Beto or President Any Democrat would veto. MfA won't be in a place where it can get through Congress regardless of who is elected, but that's why it's important to get someone in the position of the presidency who will actively push for it and create pressure for politicians to support it both currently and in the future. Someone like Beto, even if they wouldn't veto it (though tbh I'm not nearly as confident about that as you see to be), would be perfectly happy to just ignore the topic, while a Sanders (or whatever) would help enshrine it as a "mainstream Democratic position" (even moreso than it already is) and make it more difficult for Democratic politicians to oppose it in the future. Put another way, Beto would effectively help to legitimize opposition to MfA through not making a big fuss of it. So even if you ignore the variety of things the President does have direct control over, when it comes to general policy/ideology the President still has immense power as "a person who influences the political views of Democratic voters." Which then has a direct and significant impact on who ends up being elected to Congress and local/state governments.
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zoux posted:Due to wreckers and splitters I'm sure It couldn't be because of them nooooo must be infiltrators
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two degrees of separation from this poo poo is like five too few
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What is it with left of center people, from the milk toastiest centrist lib to the reddest MLers, that they spend way more time going after people within their organization/ideology than trying to find unifying principles. This doesn’t happen on the right, at least not to this degree.
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zoux posted:What is it with left of center people, from the milk toastiest centrist lib to the reddest MLers, that they spend way more time going after people within their organization/ideology than trying to find unifying principles. This doesn’t happen on the right, at least not to this degree. It totally happens in the right, it's how we got Ted Cruz and Donald Trump; RINO has been an insult for over a decade now. If anything, leftists in the US have been slow to adopt it as a behavior and are just now starting to catch up.
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Keeshhound posted:It totally happens in the right, it's how we got Ted Cruz and Donald Trump; RINO has been an insult for over a decade now. If anything, leftists in the US have been slow to adopt it as a behavior and are just now starting to catch up. The difference is on the right the most infighting comes from the fringe attacking the center and on the left it seems to preemptively come from the center to ward off any challenges from the fringe.
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Keeshhound posted:It totally happens in the right, it's how we got Ted Cruz and Donald Trump; RINO has been an insult for over a decade now. If anything, leftists in the US have been slow to adopt it as a behavior and are just now starting to catch up. IMO Donald Trump shows the opposite and does so in the extreme, righties put aside every policy difference to support a dude who stood for nothing they did because they understand that winning elections is more important than impressing crunchy hippie girls at house parties with tales of your Jill Stein vote. Comrayn posted:The difference is on the right the most infighting comes from the fringe attacking the center and on the left it seems to preemptively come from the center to ward off any challenges from the fringe. Why are RGA nailing pig heads to walls outside of DSA meetings instead of GOP offices? In the left it seems to come from everywhere against everywhere else. The Chapo lads hate Neera Tanden more than they hate Donald Trump, and vice versa. zoux fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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RGA consists of 7 dudes and they're all cops.
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Yeah I think it’s fair to say I was wrong. I was thinking more of attacks coming from people with actual power in their party. Tea partners actually took power and kicked out the old GOPers while the center left still mostly has an iron grip on their party but that’s not what was being talked about.
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Marxalot posted:RGA consists of 7 dudes and they're all cops. I also don't think the majority of leftists are like that, it's a relatively small percentage, but they still seem to be able to dominate the discourse. I don't know much about East Bay DSA but this article sure makes it seem like a small group of malcontents are able to derail the whole organization and plunge it into infighting https://newrepublic.com/article/152789/americas-socialists-race-problem
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zoux posted:IMO Donald Trump shows the opposite and does so in the extreme, righties put aside every policy difference to support a dude who stood for nothing they did because they understand that winning elections is more important than impressing crunchy hippie girls at house parties with tales of your Jill Stein vote. They support him specifically because they'll get primaried by the third of conservatives who care about ideological purity, though. They know that the rest will go along with whatever as long as they've got an R next to their name, which ironically makes them more responsive to the chud vote. The arrangements may be the opposite on the left (leftists don't have options and have to vote for the D, and are only starting to hint at being able to primary the centrists), but the dynamics are the same. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/GreeterDan/status/1077680639548153856 I think I'm gonna log off until 2021
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A tiny group of sour grapes tankies trying to ruin DSA meetings is not exactly as compelling as the Tea Party wave of 2010 in terms of fringe power.
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Lightning Knight posted:A tiny group of sour grapes tankies trying to ruin DSA meetings is not exactly as compelling as the Tea Party wave of 2010 in terms of fringe power. Well, Democratic party infighting is part of what cost us SD 19 and Beto refused to kiss the ring of the south Texas political machines that are crucial for turnout in the valley, so if had they got behind him HAM would that have made up the two points? Also, wrt to the Tea Party, the GOP still won elections because Republican centrists and moderates still voted for TP primary winners instead of pouting at home.
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zoux posted:Well, Democratic party infighting is part of what cost us SD 19 and Beto refused to kiss the ring of the south Texas political machines that are crucial for turnout in the valley, so if had they got behind him HAM would that have made up the two points? I mean the core problem is that the Republican Party is "a group of extreme right wing fascists" and "a group of less extreme business bootlickers" and if the latter loses the former will still pass stuff the latter likes. Conversely the Democratic Party is "a group of people who run the gamut from leftist to social democrat" and "a group of business bootlickers who think Republicans are too publicly rude" and there's a lot bigger differences to reconcile there. There's no reason to suggest that an empty suit right-wing business Democrat will pass anything I give a poo poo about if they win the primary, so there's a lot less compelling me to vote in the general for them than my Republican counterpart.
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Probably more likely to pass something you care about than the GOP candidate Anyway that's my point, leftists/liberals are a lot more willing to lose elections rather than hold their nose and vote and consequently the Republicans control all three branches and Ted Cruz is still a senator and instead of a 2 seat lead the GOP has a 4 seat lead in the state Senate zoux fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 01:48
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zoux posted:Probably more likely to pass something you care about than the GOP candidate I mean sort of, it's more like we'll just bleed slower. I still go out and volunteer and stuff because I think I'm best suited to electoralism, but I don't really blame the people who look at the status quo and think "lol why the gently caress should I vote/volunteer for these fuckin' people?"
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The right wants to head over the cliff as fast as the car will go, the center is content to do 55 and maybe stop for brunch. The left wants to actually turn the wheel.
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dems lost sd 19 because reps are much better at getting their voters to go vote,... furthermore..
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zoux posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/GreeterDan/status/1077680639548153856 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1077908125506830336
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These people are convinced Russia is the only reason they lost and not because they also ran a poo poo campaign.
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Bernie’s war on Texas-Beto must end.
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This may very well be the case but Glenn Greenwald and Michael Tracey are like the hackiest hacks that ever existed. https://www.complex.com/life/2017/06/maxine-waters-shoves-reporter-twitter-roast https://mobile.twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/1075520109609775104 https://mobile.twitter.com/nberlat/status/1075618597064589312 zoux fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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While I chose to not move to Texas I do still have to visit there because of the girlfriends family. First time I've been bitten by a fire ant this round. A single one got me and I did not enjoy it. Initially I thought those were only in south Texas, but they are all the way into Dallas. I assume even father north than that, but I won't be one to explore to find out. That's not the reason I'm posting here. A large part of her family is strongly conservative, and have talked bout politics several times of the visits. This time something was different. There was absolutely no talk about politics other than talking about a 401k status. I didn't know if I believed what people were saying that the economy's success was the only reason that Republicans and Trump had continuously strong approval rating. It appears to have been mildly true in my Christmas experience. There appears to be cracks in that Republican wall even in Texas if my anecdote has any weight. Still super glad I didn't move down there. Every trip down there strengthens that feeling.
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Greenwald isn’t a hack he’s just selectively a loving moron, which is more tragic. Tracey is a hack tho lol.
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Earth posted:While I chose to not move to Texas I do still have to visit there because of the girlfriends family. First time I've been bitten by a fire ant this round. A single one got me and I did not enjoy it. Initially I thought those were only in south Texas, but they are all the way into Dallas. I assume even father north than that, but I won't be one to explore to find out. Yeah Dallas is poo poo, don't move there. (half-kidding, there are some really cool and good parts of the DFW area but there are so many disgusting and bad ones as well)
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:DFW is such an amorphous blob that the Chuds and the DSA are prob 2 blocks away from each other yeah but there's no direct bus route
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No Safe Word posted:Yeah Dallas is poo poo, don't move there. once i spent new years in fort worth and hotels/restaurants would just give me free poo poo cause nobody else was even there and they didnt want to throw it away, it owned the hotel literally asked me if i wanted a free open bar and i said, gently caress yeah, and it was just me and the bartender and a folding table and endless free booze of any type
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corn in the bible posted:once i spent new years in fort worth and hotels/restaurants would just give me free poo poo cause nobody else was even there and they didnt want to throw it away, it owned Heaven Is For Real
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i say swears online posted:Heaven Is For Real On the other hand, you're in the part of Dallas that gets really upset if you call them part of Dallas.
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