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70 | 41.92% |
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21 | 12.57% |
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| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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mkay0 posted:Unironically agreed with MRT’s comment from years ago. The football analogy is sound. It was a snap judgment call that was probably low class, and nowhere near on the level of much of the premeditated cruelty in this tournament. Owen dying in the first place was premeditated cruelty.
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Your Parents posted:Owen dying in the first place was premeditated cruelty. The Death of Owen Hart is another entry. I’m voting on these as written. In a vacuum, continuing the show is extremely understandable to me. There’s minutes to decide, and you have no clue how this full house will react to not seeing Rock and Austin later in the show. The show was a legit sellout in 1999, when these shows sold in minutes, and there was much less security. It’s not some half full raw of today, where you could shuffle people out early.
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Dec 26, 2018 18:21
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OTE 99 itself is one of those things I would have personally seeded lower because I can still see why you would continue in the heat of the moment (and with millions of dollars on the line maybe influencing you.) But being reminded that they didn't announce the death in the building and that the ring was broken definitely push me towards it was really scummy no matter how much time they had to decide. Reading the full details of Owen's death combined with those throws me into a blind all consuming posting rage.
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Dec 26, 2018 18:41
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In a vacuum you could give WWE benefit of the doubt. But there is no vacuum. And this tournament leaves no doubt. Wait, I've heard about 'Owen's best friend' having to go out and wrestle right after. Who was that? ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 18:46
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ChrisBTY posted:In a vacuum you could give WWE benefit of the doubt. Might be Jarrett? I know he did an interview right after the fall where I'm pretty sure he and Debra are both doing everything they can to not break down in tears.
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Dec 26, 2018 18:53
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ChrisBTY posted:In a vacuum you could give WWE benefit of the doubt. Jeff Jarrett if I recall right. I vaguely remember Jarrett having to give a backstage interview right after Owen fell and before coming out for the match.
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Dec 26, 2018 18:54
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Yeah OTE 99 is a really really hosed up situation all around and I've always gone back and forth on what they should have done. I feel now, at the very least, they should have announced Owen's passing to the crowd and asked the performers if any of them actually wanted to compete. If most didn't you cancel the show and just promise refunds.
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Dec 26, 2018 18:58
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mkay0 posted:The Death of Owen Hart is another entry. I’m voting on these as written. I doubt the fans would have rioted. It was the 90s which really encouraged awful behavior so I could be wrong.
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Dec 26, 2018 19:01
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the crappy thing about Owen falling was the WWF using lovely sailing equipment to hang a terrified family man above the ring, not that the show kept going. i think people are just voting for the concept of Owen Hart dying
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Dec 26, 2018 19:15
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1077993567006715904
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Dec 26, 2018 19:33
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coconono posted:I doubt the fans would have rioted. It was the 90s which really encouraged awful behavior so I could be wrong. I tend to agree, but if they didn’t agree in that moment I understand why.
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Dec 26, 2018 19:34
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i literally broke down crying during the kanyon rundown on the podcast what a loving evil company
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Dec 26, 2018 19:37
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Did they actually air the Kanyon segment or was that something that was pitched that never happened? A lot of the WWF era Kanyon stuff feels like hearsay.
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Dec 26, 2018 19:38
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coconono posted:Did they actually air the Kanyon segment or was that something that was pitched that never happened? A lot of the WWF era Kanyon stuff feels like hearsay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWaGrGcIX3Y
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Dec 26, 2018 19:46
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Buns posted:Jeff Jarrett if I recall right. I vaguely remember Jarrett having to give a backstage interview right after Owen fell and before coming out for the match. This is an odd feeling. I am not used to feeling sympathy for Jeff Jarrett.
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Dec 26, 2018 19:52
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An overt gay bashing on tv by one of your biggest stars sure is something
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Dec 26, 2018 19:53
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WWE make Kanyon kill himself
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Dec 26, 2018 19:55
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Companies loving with contracts to stifle competition is a larger symptom of lovely corporate tactics worldwide, so it's by no means a WWE exclusive. Still bad, but bad in the sense of "welp, that's capitalism for you". Voted Kanyon because of how blatant and vicious it was. I wish he could've refused that segment. What was even the context of that? Was it part of the DDP stalker angle?
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Dec 26, 2018 19:59
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sticklefifer posted:Companies loving with contracts to stifle competition is a larger symptom of lovely corporate tactics worldwide, so it's by no means a WWE exclusive. Still bad, but bad in the sense of "welp, that's capitalism for you". That was pretty long after the stalker angle IIRC.
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Dec 26, 2018 20:05
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Not only was it years after the DDP stalker angle, but it had been at least a year since Kanyon had been on television, since he was injured in late 2001 (tore his ACL wrestling Randy Orton, was out until Summer 2002 and then immediately got injured again working with Lance Cade, had a bad reaction to the medication when recovered from shoulder surgery and was bed-ridden with lungs filled with fluid). IIRC, he had just come out as openly gay. WWE was deliberately punishing him for being openly gay by having Taker give him some of the most blatantly unprotected chairshots in history which gave him a severe concussion. Then they put Kanyon on Velocity job duty for a few months before releasing him. Shiki Dan fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 20:09
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WWE is so loving monumentally lucky that wrestling isn't mainstream enough for some really big names to start throwing light on this poo poo. All it's gonna take is someone to start showing that clip, talk about Vince's incest obsession and any other amount of poo poo and WWE is gonna have to go into mega damage control.
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Dec 26, 2018 20:51
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bartok posted:I posted it before but here it is again to remind you how loving awful it is. woooooooof
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Dec 26, 2018 21:05
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bartok posted:I posted it before but here it is again to remind you how loving awful it is.
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Dec 26, 2018 21:45
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IIRC, Kanyon was also bipolar. So they punished a mentally ill gay man for coming out by feeding him to a 300 lb. man and did nothing to help him cope or recover.
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Dec 26, 2018 21:47
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yeah Kanyon had some problems and a lot were exacerbated by getting hit over the head and poo poo.
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Dec 26, 2018 21:55
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The Kanyon stuff is just incomprehensible. It didn't help him with what he had been doing before (the DDP feud was long over; was DDP even still with the company at this point?), it didn't help Taker in his legendary feud with HEYMAN, BIG SHOW AND THE A-TRAIN, and it was obviously not designed to re-introduce Kanyon to a new audience after the Invasion. There should be room on almost any roster for a Chris Kanyon - a guy who can put on a decent match, be fairly entertaining, and make other wrestlers look great. I literally can't explain it beyond simple gay bashing. The best alternative explanation I can think of is that Vince was punishing him for having the guts to be injured. Either way it's a special kind of workplace bullying.
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Dec 26, 2018 21:59
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I remember I used to be impressed by Undertaker's integrity but seeing him involved in that segment just reminds me he's another fuckin bully that got a pass because he was "cool"
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Dec 26, 2018 22:08
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the undertaker is a white supremacist
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Dec 26, 2018 22:11
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Taker is a Nazi goth. The worst kind of goth.
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Dec 26, 2018 22:12
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coconono posted:I remember I used to be impressed by Undertaker's integrity but seeing him involved in that segment just reminds me he's another fuckin bully that got a pass because he was "cool" I had this same mentality, especially after Jericho put him over in his 3rd book for seeking Chris out and giving him a pep talk during a period where Chrus needed one. And maybe Chris really appreciated it, but it also might have just been smart politics. Now I feel like it'd be just desserts if someone lit him up in the ring. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 22:13
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All my favorite wrestlers as a kid to my early adulthood worked for an awful company and have turned out to be racists, bullies, murderers, or some combination thereof. This tournament really puts into perspective the kind of poo poo I condone by paying for WWE content. They aren't going to get good anytime soon, and they aren't ever going to turn over a new leaf, I think it's time I stop giving them chances to win me back and move on to getting my wrestling from other places permanently. The Kanyon thing is awful, the contract thing is awful. WWE ruins peoples lives.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I had this same mentality, especially after Jericho put him over in his 3rd book for seeking Chris out and giving him a pep talk during a period where Chrus needed one. And maybe Chris really appreciated it, but it also might have just been smart politics. Taker seems like he has that bully mentality of "really aggressive team player". If you're on his side/in his tribe then he's going to treat you really well. If you're on the outside you're going to get wrestler court hazed/lit up with unprotected chair shots. You see that sort of personality with lots of bullies and it is why you'll hear some people talk about how amazing someone is while others have horrific stories about them.
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Dec 26, 2018 22:18
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remusclaw posted:All my favorite wrestlers as a kid to my early adulthood worked for an awful company and have turned out to be racists, bullies, murderers, or some combination thereof. This tournament really puts into perspective the kind of poo poo I condone by paying for WWE content. They aren't going to get good anytime soon, and they aren't ever going to turn over a new leaf, I think it's time I stop giving them chances to win me back and move on to getting my wrestling from other places permanently. In one of Jericho's books Vince dresses him down for something (possibly stuffing Chyna, I don't remember) and then says "I'm not just trying to make you a better wrestler but a better person, I'm teaching you a life lesson." So not only is Vince a vile piece of poo poo, he's one who thinks he's a good person. Gumball Gumption posted:Taker seems like he has that bully mentality of "really aggressive team player". If you're on his side/in his tribe then he's going to treat you really well. If you're on the outside you're going to get wrestler court hazed/lit up with unprotected chair shots. You see that sort of personality with lots of bullies and it is why you'll hear some people talk about how amazing someone is while others have horrific stories about them. I think some of it is also just people being very aware of the power 'Take wields. I don't blame Chris for talking about it publicly, since it behooves him to STAY on his good side, I'd bet Chris has never forgotten about how rocky his first year in the company was. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Hedgehog Pie posted:The Kanyon stuff is just incomprehensible. It didn't help him with what he had been doing before (the DDP feud was long over; was DDP even still with the company at this point?), it didn't help Taker in his legendary feud with HEYMAN, BIG SHOW AND THE A-TRAIN, and it was obviously not designed to re-introduce Kanyon to a new audience after the Invasion. There should be room on almost any roster for a Chris Kanyon - a guy who can put on a decent match, be fairly entertaining, and make other wrestlers look great. I literally can't explain it beyond simple gay bashing. The best alternative explanation I can think of is that Vince was punishing him for having the guts to be injured. Either way it's a special kind of workplace bullying. Kanyon setting aside his sexuality and the darkest end of his mental health if we can he was simply just a goofy dude. He was really neurotic I could see why certain people would mess with him as he'd offer an amusing reaction. I don't mean hitting him with an unprotected chairshot obviously more moving his coffee cup/tugging his tail. His autobiography and the shoot interview Raven and the Sinister Minister after his funeral has always stayed with me. He just couldn't except himself or that people loved him for who he is. All his issues and hang-ups created this untanglable thing. But yeah Hedgehog Pie Kanyon was a gif wrestler before gifs existed. Very creative and innovate. And attitude wise a frontrunner to most of today's wrestlers.
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Dec 26, 2018 23:46
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Kanyon would have been a big indy star. Just ahead of his time.
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Dec 27, 2018 00:00
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I always wished they had him reprise the Mortis gimmick and be the Hurricane's arch nemesis.
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Dec 27, 2018 00:08
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gently caress the Undertaker. He's just Bradshaw but more over.
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Dec 27, 2018 00:11
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OldTennisCourt posted:WWE is so loving monumentally lucky that wrestling isn't mainstream enough for some really big names to start throwing light on this poo poo. All it's gonna take is someone to start showing that clip, talk about Vince's incest obsession and any other amount of poo poo and WWE is gonna have to go into mega damage control. It's been discussed in this thread, WWE works very hard to maintain this image to deflect criticism. "It's all a weird carny industry" is the front they project to avoid been treated like an actual corporation.
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Dec 27, 2018 00:30
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Voted Kanyon and OTE. The Kanyon stuff is just so awful and the podcast just really showed how awful it is
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kanyon would have been a big indy star. Just ahead of his time. Helped a bunch of people very early on in their careers and had an idea where US Wrestling was going in the 00's - 3 Count and Yung Dragons in WCW and later in his life Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins. There's probably a bunch others I have forgotten.
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