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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Grape posted:

Thankfully one of the tools of Italian imperialism was getting beat the gently caress up by the people you were attempting to colonize. So here's hoping. They cleaned up their own fash before after all.

omg what

tell me more

e: lmao never mind, i read that as if it was an official punishment somehow. I am shamed.

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Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
The reason vaccines must be mandatory is that a small number of people can't be vaccinated for medical reasons and without herd immunity they will die. Italy is a shithole.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



true, except the world is a shithole so the antivax idiocy is everywhere

italy's just in the front seat for the apocalypse

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Krankenstyle posted:

true, except the world is a shithole so the antivax idiocy is everywhere

italy's just in the front seat for the apocalypse

That is a very crowded chair right now.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Grape posted:

That is a very crowded chair right now.

true

as long as im not the one to sit at the top of the seat. i want at least one nation to sit on my lap before the world ends

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

Krankenstyle posted:

true

as long as im not the one to sit at the top of the seat. i want at least one nation to sit on my lap before the world ends

can I get you a very old priest from the Vatican

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Why the flag of australia

Prav
Oct 29, 2011


eurovision has gone too far

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Prav posted:

eurovision has gone too far

It all went downhill when they banned livestock from the stage

cool dance moves
Aug 27, 2018



:goofy:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1081090809913659393?s=19
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1081092360845574144?s=19
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1081110823148363776?s=19

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
I forgot to post the best part

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1081139001027903489?s=19

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Have the leaks been saved somewhere and what's the good poo poo in em

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
As a result of the uncertainty of NATO protection caused by Trump, the EU begins to refit and strengthen its military to meet the defense needs of the 21st century:

https://twitter.com/Tom_Antonov/status/1081503245942558720?s=19

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

a friend of mine from belgium just arrived in NYC so she can do grad school, but she spent a lot of time in spain and feels very bitter about her time there. i learned from her that they have their very own far-right party (Vox), so i looked them up and they did better than expected in the andalusia regional elections

spanish goons: how long will it take before they hit the big time?

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
Imo, next election cycle there will be 3 right wing parties of equal weighr.in parliament and they will be one of them.

That's this year. What with news cycle after news cycle centering on migrants.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Dawncloack posted:

Imo, next election cycle there will be 3 right wing parties of equal weighr.in parliament and they will be one of them.

That's this year. What with news cycle after news cycle centering on migrants.
the more spain takes in refugees to pick up the slack for italy, the worst it's probably gonna get. would the more established right-wing parties hesitate to bring them into a coalition? they're definitely on the same page when it comes to centralizing power to madrid

related: why is spain's federalism so half-assed?

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
They wont hesitate at all. They already have, in Andalucia. They might put on a play about how it's just so that they can elect a government. But their ideas are all the same.

About the federalism:

Current constitution was negotiated with the army holding a gun to everyone's face. It has everything the hardliner's wanteD. But it couldn't look like they werent giving catalans and basques anything. So they made the constitution so that "if you want local devolution ask for it. Eventually. Just not in 1975".

And that's what happened. Wildy different devolution.

My region doesnt have authority over as much stuff as Catalonia or Euskadi simply because we are too proudly spanish to ask. Madrid rules supreme. Doubting Madrid is anti-Spanish.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



personally holding out for a european civil war, whether in spain or germany or france idgaf

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
finnish socialists have been waiting for round two for a while yeah

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Yeah man,the 100 year war was a lot of fun,cant wait to do it again

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1088059524152320002?s=19

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
I made this post in the Brexit thread but it actually belongs here, I think


- Panasonic
- Sony
- Mitsubishi UFG
- Muji
- Nomura
- Daiwa

Here's funny thing about why tory plans are causing this to happen:

quote:

Panasonic Europe’s chief executive Laurent Abadie told the Nikkei Asian Review that if the UK lowers corporation tax after Brexit in a bid to attract business, the UK could be viewed as a tax haven. While tax havens are designed to be attractive to business, companies operating within one risk being hit with much larger tax bills in their home country; this fear, as well as freedom of movement of staff and goods, is what is thought to be largely responsible for Panasonic Europe’s move to Amsterdam.

I guess when Rutte and Abe met before the vote on May's deal, they probably discussed moving Sony's HQ as well.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1083161633944489985?s=19

There were also a few other Japanese companies that relocated to Germany.

It looks like that massive EU-Japan trade deal is coming with lots of reconfiguration of Japanese businesses in Europe. I am curious to see how this will develop and whether Bladrunner can once again be a plausible future timeline

BioMe
Aug 9, 2012


It's going to be really funny when they finally admit they've known Brexit hasn't been doable for months now, and UK has been stubbornly sailing directly at the iceberg until the very last second just to make everyone abandon ship for no reason.

It's also going to be really funny if they don't and hit that mountain of Brexit preparations they never did.

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

BioMe posted:

It's going to be really funny when they finally admit they've known Brexit hasn't been doable for months now, and UK has been stubbornly sailing directly at the iceberg until the very last second just to make everyone abandon ship for no reason.

It's also going to be really funny if they don't and hit that mountain of Brexit preparations they never did.

It's funny in the abstract sense that Britain's entire political leadership will be in shambles.

Not so funny if you think of the consequences for the average British person. And even more bitter because you know these buffoons will just do their age-old tactic of shouting harder and blaming more foreigners. That's all they know. Within a few years the Tories could go full-on fascist just like the Republicans.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1088464340024520705

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

twoday posted:

Here's funny thing about why tory plans are causing this to happen:

Maybe Britain loudly claiming how it will become even more of a tax haven while the rest of the EU and the OECD are jointly working on curtailing profit shifting was a tactical mistake. :thunk:

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

Nothing's going to come of it. He's a senator, which means that the Senate has to vote on whether he can be put on trial. All the opposition parties will be sure to vote YES, Lega Nord is sure to vote NO, and M5S despite being the party of "everyone must be accountable" are too chickenshit to vote anything but NO, because if they didn't the government would collapse.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

italy is my favorite country to keep track of

they evicted 500 people from a refugee camp. also the M5S appointed a guy who made sex comedies in the '70s and '80s to a UNESCO commission

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



quote:

The idea of Europe is in peril.
by Bernard-Henri Lévy, Milan Kundera, Salman Rushdie, Elfriede Jelinek, Orhan Pamuk

From all sides there are criticisms, insults and desertions from the cause.

“Enough of ‘building Europe’!” is the cry. Let’s reconnect instead with our “national soul”! Let’s rediscover our “lost identity”! This is the agenda shared by the populist forces washing over the continent. Never mind that abstractions such as “soul” and “identity” often exist only in the imagination of demagogues.

Europe is being attacked by false prophets who are drunk on resentment, and delirious at their opportunity to seize the limelight. It has been abandoned by the two great allies who in the previous century twice saved it from suicide; one across the Channel and the other across the Atlantic. The continent is vulnerable to the increasingly brazen meddling by the occupant of the Kremlin. Europe as an idea is falling apart before our eyes.

This is the noxious climate in which Europe’s parliamentary elections will take place in May. Unless something changes; unless something comes along to turn back the rising, swelling, insistent tide; unless a new spirit of resistance emerges, these elections promise to be the most calamitous that we have known. They will give a victory to the wreckers. For those who still believe in the legacy of Erasmus, Dante, Goethe and Comenius there will be only ignominious defeat. A politics of disdain for intelligence and culture will have triumphed. There will be explosions of xenophobia and antisemitism. Disaster will have befallen us.

We, the undersigned, are among those who refuse to resign themselves to this looming catastrophe.

We count ourselves among the European patriots (a group more numerous than is commonly thought, but that is often too quiet and too resigned), who understand what is at stake here. Three-quarters of a century after the defeat of fascism and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall there is a new battle for civilisation.

Our faith is in the great idea that we inherited, which we believe to have been the one force powerful enough to lift Europe’s peoples above themselves and their warring past. We believe it remains the one force today virtuous enough to ward off the new signs of totalitarianism that drag in their wake the old miseries of the dark ages. What is at stake forbids us from giving up.

Hence this invitation to join in a new surge.

Hence this appeal to action on the eve of an election that we refuse to abandon to the gravediggers of the European idea.

Hence this exhortation to carry once more the torch of a Europe that, despite its mistakes, its lapses, and its occasional acts of cowardice, remains a beacon for every free man and woman on the planet.

Our generation got it wrong. Like Garibaldi’s followers in the 19th century, who repeated, like a mantra, “Italia se farà da sè” (Italy will make herself by herself), we believed that the continent would come together on its own, without our needing to fight for it, or to work for it. This, we told ourselves, was “the direction of history”.

We must make a clean break with that old conviction. We don’t have a choice. We must now fight for the idea of Europe or see it perish beneath the waves of populism.

In response to the nationalist and identitarian onslaught, we must rediscover the spirit of activism or accept that resentment and hatred will surround and submerge us. Urgently, we need to sound the alarm against these arsonists of soul and spirit who, from Paris to Rome, with stops along the way in Barcelona, Budapest, Dresden, Vienna and Warsaw, want to make a bonfire of our freedoms.

In this strange defeat of “Europe” that looms on the horizon; this new crisis of the European conscience that promises to tear down everything that made our societies great, honourable, and prosperous, there is a challenge greater than any since the 1930s: a challenge to liberal democracy and its values.

Copyright: Libération/Bernard-Henri Lévy. Milan Kundera, Salman Rushdie, Elfriede Jelinek and Orhan Pamuk are novelists. Bernard-Henri Lévy is a philosopher

Other signatories: Vassilis Alexakis (Athens), Svetlana Alexievich (Minsk), Anne Applebaum (Warsaw), Jens Christian Grøndahl (Copenhagen), David Grossman (Jerusalem), Ágnes Heller (Budapest), Ismaïl Kadaré (Tirana), György Konrád (Debrecen), António Lobo Antunes (Lisbon), Claudio Magris (Trieste), Ian McEwan (London), Adam Michnik (Warsaw), Herta Müller (Berlin), Ludmila Oulitskaïa (Moscow), Rob Riemen (Amsterdam), Fernando Savater (San Sebastián), Roberto Saviano (Naples), Eugenio Scalfari (Rome), Simon Schama (London), Peter Schneider (Berlin), Abdulah Sidran (Sarajevo), Leïla Slimani (Paris), Colm Tóibín (Dublin), Mario Vargas Llosa (Madrid), Adam Zagajewski (Cracow)

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i for one am shocked that austerity implemented after 2008 and centrists everywhere insisting life is fine has made people turn to fascism

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
And for some reason all the people most invested in united Europe can't actually articulate any of the incentives for supporting it, even though they demonstrably exist!

Like, make some appeals to friendship across nations and healing old wounds and sharing culture and ideas or something? But it's all a petulant tantrum about 'populists', which I can only assume is meant to implicitly also mean leftists.

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
I bet it also means leftists.

I mean, some folks in Barcelona want to burn our freedoms? That was quite a tell for their extreme centrism, considering the independence movement's strongest component is leftist.

What a bunch of loving rich idiots.

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
I cant edit:

I didnt come here to defend Catalan independence, but I find it funny that "let us use our language and stop using us as a punching bag in politics" is burning our freedoms, and "we had a political police making poo poo about parties we don't like and have essentially suspended constitutional garantees when around a policeman" is perfectly fine because they are big austerity (and EU) supporters.

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

Jose posted:

i for one am shocked that austerity implemented after 2008 and centrists everywhere insisting life is fine has made people turn to fascism

reminder that support for fascism is arguably the biggest among the rich, e.g. yeah Trump won the vote of the white and poor segment, but his winning margin was much bigger among the wealthy

Often Abbreviated
Dec 19, 2017

1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"

call center manager posted:

reminder that support for fascism is arguably the biggest among the rich, e.g. yeah Trump won the vote of the white and poor segment, but his winning margin was much bigger among the wealthy

reminder that this vote counting wonkery ignores the majority of the population who have been effectively disenfrachised or dissuaded from voting, and is loving garbage

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

Often Abbreviated posted:

reminder that this vote counting wonkery ignores the majority of the population who have been effectively disenfrachised or dissuaded from voting, and is loving garbage

which... sort of proves my point? i.e. that fascism is way less popular among the poor and working class than self-congratulatory journalists and analysts assume

Often Abbreviated
Dec 19, 2017

1st Severia Tank Brigade
"Ghosts of Honcharivske"

call center manager posted:

which... sort of proves my point? i.e. that fascism is way less popular among the poor and working class than self-congratulatory journalists and analysts assume

It proves you can't use the ballot box to gauge the feelings of a population who don't vote. The half the population not voting could be burning crosses for the KKK, reciting marxist-leninist slogans or sewing dragon banners for the Targaryens. You don't know because you're only looking at the people who voted.

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AlexanderCA
Jul 21, 2010

by Cyrano4747
In holland at least the fascist(pvv) vote skews male, lower educated, unemployed or on disability.

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