Phanatic posted:

Given that tall buildings move more than this when the wind blows, this has gotta be a garbled explanation.

Phanatic posted:

Given that tall buildings move more than this when the wind blows, this has gotta be a garbled explanation.

Atticus_1354 posted:

This means everything will need to be designed in squares like a tabletop game.

Mozi posted:

weirdly i think i read that it actually moved _up_ those 1-2mm

Mozi posted:

weirdly i think i read that it actually moved _up_ those 1-2mm

Mozi posted:

"Engineers have indicated that the building may have moved up to 2 millimetres."

gotta cite sources!

you may both be right though

Atticus_1354 posted:

That's such a great misreading. The building magically moved against gravity.

Bad Munki posted:

Lurking Haro posted:

It didn't lock them to the alarm, you just had a giant handcuff.

Lurking Haro posted:

It didn't lock them to the alarm, you just had a giant handcuff.

Yawgmoth posted:

And I'm sure carrying around a giant metal cuff wouldn't impede escaping from a burning building at all!

NoWake posted:

I wonder if the alarms and showers are guarded any better now that security cameras can be had for >$100, wireless, and can be stuck almost anywhere.

NoWake posted:

After spending two semesters in a dorm that started getting dumped multiple nights a week, gently caress 'em. Hang a hacksaw next to it for if it's a real fire.

But honestly, the alarm stunts got loving annoying, and after the first half-dozen, less and less kids would actually evacuate. The hall director then came around with the FD & master keys and found kids hunkered down in their rooms with pillows taped over the alarm horns.

I wonder if the alarms are guarded any better now that security cameras can be had for >$100, wireless, and can be stuck almost anywhere.

Yawgmoth posted:

And I'm sure carrying around a giant metal cuff wouldn't impede escaping from a burning building at all!

Proteus Jones posted:

Is this 2mm change in reference of the building to it’s surroundings? Or of one part of the building in relation to another part of the same building.

Proteus Jones posted:

Is this 2mm change in reference of the building to its surroundings? Or of one part of the building in relation to another part of the same building.

Proteus Jones posted:

Is this 2mm change in reference of the building to it’s surroundings? Or of one part of the building in relation to another part of the same building.

quote:

All of the residents of a 36-storey apartment block in Sydney's west will be forced to leave as a "precautionary measure" after a wall cracked inside the new building on Christmas Eve.

Tensions flared as angry residents of Opal Tower at Sydney Olympic Park were told that they would be "progressively relocated" within 24 hours to allow "comprehensive investigations" into the split concrete panel.

Residents were told during a heated meeting on Thursday (today Aus time) that they could be out of their homes for up to 10 days.

But NSW managing director for the builder Icon, Julian Doyle, could not rule out further delays.

Bees on Wheat posted:

We get false alarms in my apartment building often enough that I just ignore them and go back to sleep. One of these days I'm going to die in a fire and that's okay.

Really though, the window by my bed opens onto a rooftop and fire escape access so hopefully not.

Facebook Aunt posted:

Building now hovering.

Memento posted:

I think if you look where the "2" is spray painted on that concrete you can see the displacement. Seems that the right hand side has dropped and moved towards the POV a couple of millimeters.


edit: Speak of the devil

All Opal Tower residents forced to leave cracked building

quote:

The dramatic crack that developed in a brand new Sydney apartment tower was the result of industry issues that “have been brewing for a long time”, according to experts.

A poor compliance system in New South Wales and a “she’ll be right” attitude have been blamed for the high rate of defects in Sydney buildings – spotlighted by the Christmas Eve evacuation of Opal Tower in Olympic Park.

The high-rise apartment block developed a crack on a wall on the 10th floor on Monday. Though the building was declared safe on Wednesday, 51 apartments were still blocked to residents on Thursday morning.

Prof Bill Randolph from the University of NSW’s City Futures Research Centre said there was “an industry-wide problem”.

“This sort of thing has been known about for some years now … The rate at which multi-units have been put up in the last four or five years has really stretched the capacity of the building industry to deal with it.”

A damning 2015 report from Engineers Australia found that 85% of new strata units were defective on completion and the certification system in NSW had “broken down”.

Randolph said the state’s compliance regime had been privatised in the early 2000s, which meant developers were now effectively “signing off on their own buildings”.

“The developer effectively walks away from the building once the last unit has been sold,” he said. “We call it split incentives. When you’re a developer, the incentive is to build it quickly, sell it quickly.

“The people who buy it then have to deal with anything that goes wrong [while] the developer can simply walk away from what they have built.

“It’s not that there isn’t enough regulation. There are plenty of regulations but they’re poorly enforced.”

Jonathan Russell, head spokesman for Engineers Australia, said members had told him that certifiers often did not have the qualifications or experience to make an informed judgment about the quality of works.

“This is most prevalent for engineering works, such as engineered fire safety systems,” he said. “Also, for those who want to do the right thing and engage an engineer, there is no government register of licensed or registered engineers.

“While the person who paints the structure needs to be licensed, the person who designs the structure does not.”

He said recommendations from the Engineers Australia report still hadn’t been taken up, three years on: “Full and swift implementation of all 24 recommendations is the single most important action that the NSW government can take.”

Phil Dwyer, the president of the Builders Collective of Australia, said there was a “she’ll be right” approach to building.

“There are many thousands of building failures, particularly in NSW and Victoria,” he said. “We saw this coming but without a doubt but never expected the dilapidation of our industry to continue for so long.”

On Wednesday the developer of Opal Tower, Ecove, declared the building was safe for habitation and was not affected by major issues.

Dwyer disagreed: “How one part can be at fault and the rest be OK? Give me a break. If one part is questionable, the whole building is questionable.”

But on Thursday Ecove denied that the fault in Opal Tower was part of a pattern.

“Any suggestion the building damage pointed to ‘a broader pattern in the industry’ is completely wrong,” said Ecove’s director, Bassam Aflak. “The city’s ‘development boom’ has not led to cutting of corners. There has been no cutting of corners.

“It’s too early to leap to any conclusions, for instance, to speculate on wider building issues because of what appears to be one failed panel.

“The requirement from the Sydney Olympic Park Authority was that the building be high quality and we have delivered on that. While this incident suggests otherwise, the contract with Icon specified that the building be of high-quality Australian design and construction.”

Randolph said it was surprising to see such a dramatic fault emerge in “what is normally thought of as a premium location”, and it pointed to further problems at the cheaper end of the market.

“It’s been brewing for some time,” he said. “Strata managers, the defects engineers, the lawyers who deal with the owners of units know this has been a problem for some time. I suspect the developer industry has been aware of it as well.”

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

what's the betting: cheap concrete that wasn't up to spec or "nah she'll be alright mate" on the ground inspection?

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

Called it:



How is there no system for registering structural engineers in Australia what the gently caress? Not even chartered status?

starkebn posted:

https://i.imgur.com/ua3W9Bu.mp4

SniperWoreConverse posted:

from probably a thousand replies in the past but
I dunno if it's osha but I learned pretty young if you lose traction tuck your fuckin head in & away from where your body's going
unless you get booted out of a car or down a slope if you tuck in you're a lot more likely to avoid busting up limbs or brains
this is extraordinarily painful looking goddamn

I mean you can feel when it's too late and your going down -- you gotta fuckin tuck, you're not going to ninja leap to safety or even get your legs under you take the hit with your body where it'll be fine do bust out your brainstem or the joints in your arms or legs.

cursed as gently caress i'm cross posting this to cursed thread

e jfc I've been drunk off my rear end and still avoided bouncing my skull like that gently caress me get some goddamn salt or grit next time relevel the fucker so it drains away or something

Megillah Gorilla posted:

‘Randolph said the state’s compliance regime had been privatised in the early 2000s, which meant developers were now effectively “signing off on their own buildings”.’