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I have 3/4 of a spindle of blank costco dvd-rs that I will never, ever use. Even older media chat: I went from an Amiga 500 to a 486dx way back in the day and found all my amiga 3.5” DD floppies could be turned into HD floppies by drilling a hole on the side opposite the write protect tab  I had tons of Amiga disks because 
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Laslow posted:A 4790 will be faster in newer stuff that requires more than 4 threads. At 4GHz, it'll probably be on par with old Sandy's performance at 4.4, since Devil's Canyon has about 10% more IPC. It's currently in a HP SFF, but it's not just the PSU pinouts, they're also BTX, so everything's in the wrong place for an ATX case. I feel like it'd boot along nicely with my 980 and the 16gb of ram outta my sandy, but yeah need an ATX board. I'll see if anyone has one.
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craig588 posted:From an overclocked 2500K to a 4790 will probably end up slower. Even if you get a motherboard that supports ignoring turbo limits that's only 4 GHz, unlikely to be faster than a 4.4 GHz 2500. No way, more cache + ht - I'd rather have the 4790 @ 4GHz. Whether it's worth buying a board for is another question
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HalloKitty posted:No way, more cache + ht - I'd rather have the 4790 @ 4GHz. Whether it's worth buying a board for is another question Aliexpress have ASUS h97s for $80 US. It's a tough call.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-48DY8...61PI:rk:20:pf:0 Get one of these for thirty bucks. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Inch-24...0MB7:rk:10:pf:0 https://www.ebay.com/itm/5Pin-to-4P...b4f90:rk:1:pf:0 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optip...kcPj:rk:30:pf:0 And then these adapters for 15 total. It has ATX holes for mounting in a case. And you may need to gently caress around with jury rigging the power button to look okay, but for $45, who cares? e: I just want to go ahead and admit I did exactly this when my Z97 board died a few months ago, and it works flawlessly, apart from the FRONT I/O PANEL MISSING message on bootup. gently caress paying those used market prices on Z and H series boards, I refused to pay more than fifty bucks for a dead platform and you shouldn't either. My CPU has a locked multi anyway, gently caress it. Laslow fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Dec 21, 2018 02:48
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Guess they didn't sell those in Australia
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Don Dongington posted:Guess they didn't sell those in Australia  drat, prices down there are depressing.
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As are the encryption "laws"  +
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Dec 21, 2018 05:25
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the Laws of Encryption are as follows: 1. Do it good 2. gently caress the Police
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Other than the $150 1TB NVME SSDs which I don't really need, this year has been a complete snoozefest as far as I'm concerned.
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god help me, i have lost my way Delidded 9900k running bare die/liquid metal under a waterblock Doing a 24 hr leak test/Mayhem's part 2 but a quick test I did with just regular thermal paste and low moutning pressure showed just under 70C load at 5 GHz in Prime (non-AVX).
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Dec 25, 2018 00:26
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Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' cold, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation
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The only problem I see is that nothing there looks nearly janky enough to be properly risky. Please show us a zoomed out shot with the rubber bands that are the only thing you use to hold the water block down.
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K8.0 posted:The only problem I see is that nothing there looks nearly janky enough to be properly risky. Please show us a zoomed out shot with the rubber bands that are the only thing you use to hold the water block down. Would it help to know the waterblock is held down by a 5 year old EK "Naked Ivy" kit with nylon spacers I just sort of eyeballed to make up the difference in z-height? 
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forbidden dialectics posted:Would it help to know the waterblock is held down by a 5 year old EK "Naked Ivy" kit with nylon spacers I just sort of eyeballed to make up the difference in z-height? 
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forbidden dialectics posted:Would it help to know the waterblock is held down by a 5 year old EK "Naked Ivy" kit with nylon spacers I just sort of eyeballed to make up the difference in z-height? Didn’t der8auer make some shims to go on top of the die and even out the contact area? Seems like that would be easier than guessing with washers
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rage-saq posted:Didn’t der8auer make some shims to go on top of the die and even out the contact area? Seems like that would be easier than guessing with washers Yes - very recently. If this works out I'll probably order one. All said, I'm not really guessing, I measured with calipers. The were from Harbor Frieght, though.
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forbidden dialectics posted:Harbor Frieght 👌
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that rocks
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Well fortunately it looks like I have a golden chip: This is running Prime95 8k smallFFT. This is just messing with Gigabyte's Windows-based OC tool (Easytune). All I changed was core multiplier and LLC. I did manage to run it at 5.3 with LLC set to "Turbo" but this was pushing Vcore to 1.4V which is a bit high for my tastes (this is where the temps in the 90s in the maximum column comes from). I have a lot more fine tuning to do but I'm pretty thrilled so far.
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forbidden dialectics posted:Would it help to know the waterblock is held down by a 5 year old EK "Naked Ivy" kit with nylon spacers I just sort of eyeballed to make up the difference in z-height? I did this with the same kit but I ended up having memory channel issues from a lack of mounting pressure after a while. I'd recommend the shim just do the cooler can press more evenly onto the CPU into the socket so all the pins connect fine. I ended up with a funny die shaped rectangle on my EK Supremacy as the liquid metal stained/seeped into the bare copper (nickel is good poo poo but I got it on sale for just the copper model). Also I got a silicon lottery golden 9900k but I braindead clicked delid without thinking about the monoblock on my Z390 Aorus Xtreme Waterforce. I know they reseal it but it's surely not the same height. Anyone got any hot tips on what to do in this circumstance? I know that a bunch of Conductonaut between the IHS and the block would fix the issue but I'd need a fair bit and it might run. The real answer is "buy a stock Chip idiot" I guess
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You mention shims earlier in the same post, why wouldn't that be an option? (honest question, I'm not familiar with the board)
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Eletriarnation posted:You mention shims earlier in the same post, why wouldn't that be an option? (honest question, I'm not familiar with the board) The monoblock is unlike regular heatsinks in that it is a fixed height from the CPU socket as it covers half the board and is solid. Delidding changes the z-height of the CPU which means the gap between the IHS and monoblock will be very large relatively, harming performance. It's net worse than not delidding. Silicon lottery reseal the lids with similar glue but it's pretty much always lower. I could fill the gap with Conductonaut and it would be functionally identical to having a taller heat spreader, but Conductonaut is scary poo poo to have not under the IHS.
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Alright, a lot of testing my 9900k over the holiday. Came to two stable scenarios. Which would you choose: 5.2 GHz all cores, 1.33V with droop under load to around 1.29V, maxes out around 75C under the most intense workloads. or 5.3 GHz all cores, 1.425V with droop to around 1.38, maxes out around 92C under the most intense workloads? That's a lot of extra voltage for....100Mhz, which seems pretty silly, and I'm probably whining about a .1-percentile chip anyways. But then again, this whole business is intensely silly.
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forbidden dialectics posted:Alright, a lot of testing my 9900k over the holiday. Came to two stable scenarios. Which would you choose: Yeah...that 5.3Ghz is not worth it.
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The lower power is more worth it to me. I have a 5820K that I can run at 4.3 GHz and stay under 70C, it can do all the way up to 4.7 GHz, but touches 90C and I'm not CPU limited yet in the apps I run. If you really need 5.3 GHz there's not much you can do, but for most apps you'll never notice the difference between 5.2 GHz and 5.3GHz. Don't run benchmarks, I have no idea how my PC performs. It only leads to buying more hardware you probably don't need.
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forbidden dialectics posted:Alright, a lot of testing my 9900k over the holiday. Came to two stable scenarios. Which would you choose: That's how I've managed my 3770k and I can still throw >1.4v at it 7 years later. Most of the time I don't need to, but there is an fps game or two I play where I do.
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Khorne posted:Set the lower power in your motherboard, use it regularly, and then use OC software for the higher power when you need the extra boost. If you ever do. Weirdly enough after all the testing to find the right Vcore setting (using the motherboard's IR35201 VR_OUT sensor, which according to Buildzoid is the only accurate software voltage reading) - I set my motherboard back to "Normal" to try and get adaptive voltage back. After loving around with DVID with zero success I finally just said gently caress it and adjusted the LLC levels. Turns out, the motherboard basically handles the voltage exactly like I want by setting voltage to "Normal" (basically Auto) and LLC to "Standard", with everything else on Auto. Basically could have just done that right out of the box and been done with it. I'm impressed that actually works; seems like the days of having to manually mess with voltages are over, as are the days of "auto OC" settings sending 1.7V through your chip.
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Looks like Intel is going to release SKUs of the Coffee Lake R range with disabled IGPs. Interesting. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13750/intel-core-i9-9900kf-i7-9700kf-i5-9600kf-i5-9400f-cpus-listed
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Meanwhile I’m trying to undervolt my 9900K to run it as cool as possible. From what I can tell Gigabyte is notorious for overvolting out of the box, and at stock (4.7 GHz) my Gigabyte board was supplying ~1.25 V to the CPU at load. After tweaking I’m able to run closer to 1.16 V under load with dynamic voltage (or 1.15 if I stick to static), with load gaming temps in the mid 60s and stress testing AVX workloads in the mid to high 70s. I’m using an NH-D15 for cooling, so I accept that I may get better results if I went with a 280 or 360mm AIO, but trying to hit 5.0 GHz (with no AVX offset) resulted in temps in the low 90s, which I’m not really comfortable with for 24/7 use. For my use, 8C/16T at 4.7 GHz isn’t holding me back at all so I don’t see the need for the extra heat and electricity.
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Yea I’m running my 9900k stuck but at 1.168V, really helps with power consumption and temps.
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Cygni posted:Looks like Intel is going to release SKUs of the Coffee Lake R range with disabled IGPs. Interesting. Is this expected to be cheaper than the version with iGPUs?
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Lackmaster posted:Is this expected to be cheaper than the version with iGPUs? Been a while since they released versions of the top SKUs without IGPs to the general channel, but knowing intel, they will probably charge more off the possibility of barely better overclocking tbh.
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The time they did this in the past with Sandybridge the iGPU free chips had a 100MHz clockspeed advantage due to the additional thermal headroom. I think it's likely a response to the temperature issues facing Coffelake-R, it removes a part of the power draw and it also adds cold silicon that helps with heat transfer/soak. Losing quicksync and potentially thunderbolt (bogodollars motherboards only) is something to seriously consider.
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Does disabling the iGPU in BIOS not give the same thermal headroom?
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Lube banjo posted:Does disabling the iGPU in BIOS not give the same thermal headroom? You still have power routing through it so no.
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I wonder if the lack of iGPU allows Intel to cut down the die size, given the 14nm supply issues.
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It's likely lasered off rather than a new tapeout.
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I thought they could power gate off unused bits of silicon.
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IIRC iGPUs still draw a little bit of power when turned off. Lasering the entire connection away leaves a high impedance gap where it used to be, which makes it much harder for the integrated circuit to do that
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