Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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Yeast: Dec 25, 2006; $1900 Grande Latte

Duct Tape posted:

All that talk of airbrushes earlier made me wonder about airbrushing varnish. Is there are a "gold standard" airbrushable varnish, similar to dullcote for rattle?

https://ak-interactive.com/product/ultra-matte-varnish/

This stuff is fantastic.

It's my new go-to for total matte.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 08:25

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 02:08

darnon: Nov 8, 2009

I use Pledge Future and follow up with Liquitex Matte Varnish which you can get a great big bottle of at a craft store for pretty cheap. Dullcote is maybe a little flatter, but good enough.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 08:49

Duct Tape: Sep 30, 2004; Huh?

Yeast posted:

https://ak-interactive.com/product/ultra-matte-varnish/

This stuff is fantastic.

It's my new go-to for total matte.

Looking at the prices of these compared to rattles, getting an airbrush setup going would be worth it for varnishing alone :aaa:

# ? Dec 28, 2018 09:18

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Two Beans posted:

postin' models

Holy poo poo these are rad

# ? Dec 28, 2018 10:56

haakman: May 5, 2011

Need your advice gang - what base colour would you go with the below model in order to make it pop? This was my trial model and am probably going to have a more vivid pink/purple for the hair.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 11:05

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

haakman posted:

Need your advice gang - what base colour would you go with the below model in order to make it pop? This was my trial model and am probably going to have a more vivid pink/purple for the hair.

It has a lot of dark, purplish and grey tones, so a sandy base would contrast the most, I think.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 11:08

richyp: Dec 2, 2004; Grumpy old man

haakman posted:

Need your advice gang - what base colour would you go with the below model in order to make it pop? This was my trial model and am probably going to have a more vivid pink/purple for the hair.

I'd personally go dark and really neutral in order to keep the focus on the mini, e.g. grey but with maybe a couple of light blue or purple spot features like ice or something. If you want contrast, then something on the orange spectrum would work.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 11:12

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

Two Beans posted:

postin' models

These are fantastic. I like that you made the fuckin goofy looking Beastmen into something really rad, good job.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 11:56

Irate Tree: Mar 12, 2011; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I want to get this five man squad done so i can share. I only have one dude to go but this heat is kicking my arse. 36C today and it's going to get to 40C for the next three days.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 12:14

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

haakman posted:

Need your advice gang - what base colour would you go with the below model in order to make it pop? This was my trial model and am probably going to have a more vivid pink/purple for the hair.

My first thought is a Mars-like base to provide a contrast to the model.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 15:22

xutech: Mar 4, 2011; EIIST

I agree mars red sand would be perfect

# ? Dec 28, 2018 16:01

Bucnasti: Aug 14, 2012; I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes

ijyt posted:

Vallejo Mecha Matt Varnish.

This. Mecha Matt is so good. I like it more than testors.
I wish I could get better pics of my knights to show how great it looks in person.

Supposedly the mecha line of varnish is "tougher" because it's meant for models that's are articulated and get moved around a lot.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 16:44

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Bucnasti posted:

This. Mecha Matt is so good. I like it more than testors.
I wish I could get better pics of my knights to show how great it looks in person.

Supposedly the mecha line of varnish is "tougher" because it's meant for models that's are articulated and get moved around a lot.

Yeah I am definitely a fan. I wish I had gotten it before I hosed up my Knights.

What settings do you use when airbrushing it?

# ? Dec 28, 2018 17:03

Booley: Apr 25, 2010; I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE; Grimey Drawer

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Yeah I am definitely a fan. I wish I had gotten it before I hosed up my Knights.

What settings do you use when airbrushing it?

I spray it unthinned at 30ish psi, it probably sprays fine at lower psi too if you thin it a bit.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 17:07

Bucnasti: Aug 14, 2012; I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes

Booley posted:

I spray it unthinned at 30ish psi, it probably sprays fine at lower psi too if you thin it a bit.

I spray it unthinned through my patriot 105 at around 20psi. I also lay it on thick, it gets a little milky looking on the model but once it dries it looks perfect.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 17:16

jeroti: Feb 26, 2009; Fear not the darkness, fear that which the darkness hides.

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

How are Valkyries? My brother got me one for Christmas and I figure if they don�t add it as a flier to the GSC list I could also add a small detachment of Scions to bring it.

I've never had much luck with mine. If you move it as a flyer it'll almost never hit anything since all of it's weapons are heavy you're hitting on 5+. If you have it in hover mode you get a +1 to hit, but even then it's not that impressive as a gunship. If your opponent is light on anti tank or you have a lot of hard targets then it'll have a good chance to zip your guys around the board, but at T7, a +3 save any 14 wounds and dedicated anti tank will drop it pretty fast.

I wouldn't use it with scions since they can deepstrike on their own, but but you could easily move around an infantry squad, platoon commander and a psyker or something else around the board where you need it the most. I think flyers should have a rule similar to what dark lances have where they become assault weapons when mounted on a vehicle. Flyers are pretty bad this edition and I think it would help them out quite a bit to actually be able to shoot at something.

edit: it does have hard to hit so it'll be a little harder to take out that I thought.

jeroti fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Dec 28, 2018

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:05

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

The Drop Force formation in the Vigilus book gives a strat for a Valkyrie to support overwatch for Scions on a 4+ to hit. It might be worth taking in that.

EDIT: and risk free disembark at the end of movement, which will put a bunch of Scions somewhere important on turn 1. Deep strike can't do that anymore.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:14

Pendent: Nov 16, 2011; The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius; Grimey Drawer

jeroti posted:

Flyers are pretty bad this edition

Stormravens, Fire Raptors, Hemlocks... the list goes on. Many fliers have been good to amazing.

Scions in Valkyries are actually extremely cool and good right now:

This synergizes very well with the Scion trait of exploding hits on 6's to hit, because you'll have plasma guns that can't get hot and get an extra shot on 5's and 6's. You can also have them doing this on turn 1 and the valkyries themselves got a decent drop in CA. It's not top table competitive but it's definitely got some legs.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:16

Attestant: Oct 23, 2012; Don't judge me.

Any idea what would make an plastic cement connection go bad almost a year after assembly? I've had a model sitting in the bottom of a cabinet since early winter 2018, primed and washed, but otherwise unpainted. It seemed OK after taking out from storage, but some of the glued sections are oddly sticky and glossy. The paint near those seams is also slightly rubbing off.

Even stranger is that there's an identical model assembled at the same time, that's NOT suffering from the issue. What on earth is wrong with this one? It's just a basic plastic Carnifex, no resin weirdness to blame either.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:25

Giant Isopod: Jan 30, 2010; Bathynomus giganteus; Yams Fan

Let's Compare Canoness Builds!

What I've done here is the same hit/wound/damage calculation, but at the end multiplied it by 2/6 or 3/6 to compare the effects of their chance of succeeding at The Passion and fighting twice.

This is a somewhat artificial scenario, since the average of fighting twice is less useful than the burst of being able to do so when you really need it, but it's just for comparison. (Also, again, the damage number is skewed vs. 1 wound models, same caveat applies, etc.) I am also NOT taking into account any invuln saves, which is a pretty big omission, but man, this takes long enough as is.

I also wanted to compare an eviscerator on the Bloody Rose canoness with the Blade of Admonition.

code:

Canoness		Target Name	Hit % w/ reroll	Chance to Wound	Chance to Hit + Wound	Chance to DMG	D	Attacks	Avg Damage		Avg /w Passion
Ebon Chalice /w Blade	Marine		0.9722222222	0.6666666667	0.6481481481		0.5401234568	3	4	6.481481481		9.722222222
Bloody Rose w/ Blade	Marine		0.9722222222	0.6666666667	0.6481481481		0.5401234568	3	5	8.101851852		10.80246914
Bloody Rose w/ Evis	Marine		0.7777777778	0.8333333333	0.6481481481		0.6481481481	2	5	6.481481481		8.641975309

Ebon Chalice /w Blade	Terminator	0.9722222222	0.6666666667	0.6481481481		0.4320987654	3	4	5.185185185		7.777777778
Bloody Rose w/ Blade	Terminator	0.9722222222	0.6666666667	0.6481481481		0.4320987654	3	5	6.481481481		8.641975309
Bloody Rose w/ Evis	Terminator	0.7777777778	0.8333333333	0.6481481481		0.5401234568	2	5	5.401234568		7.201646091

Ebon Chalice /w Blade	Dreadnaught	0.9722222222	0.3333333333	0.3240740741		0.2700617284	3	4	3.240740741		4.861111111
Bloody Rose w/ Blade	Dreadnaught	0.9722222222	0.3333333333	0.3240740741		0.2700617284	3	5	4.050925926		5.401234568
Bloody Rose w/ Evis	Dreadnaught	0.7777777778	0.6666666667	0.5185185185		0.5185185185	2	5	5.185185185		6.913580247

Ebon Chalice /w Blade	Knight		0.9722222222	0.3333333333	0.3240740741		0.2700617284	3	4	3.240740741		4.861111111
Bloody Rose w/ Blade	Knight		0.9722222222	0.3333333333	0.3240740741		0.2700617284	3	5	4.050925926		5.401234568
Bloody Rose w/ Evis	Knight		0.7777777778	0.5		0.3888888889		0.3888888889	2	5	3.888888889		5.185185185

The results are pretty varied! The blade wins out over the eviscerator in most cases, but not all, and while the average damage of the bloody canoness is higher, the ebon canoness is not bad.

Given detachment mixing being what it is, I think including a small bloody rose detachment for a strong melee character (or two) is a solid tactic.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:27

Der Waffle Mous: Nov 27, 2009; In the grim future, there is only commerce.

Fire Raptors are good but they're also more points than some knights.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:29

Pendent: Nov 16, 2011; The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius; Grimey Drawer

Der Waffle Mous posted:

Fire Raptors are good but they're also more points than some knights.

There was a brief period where they were significantly cheaper and saw a very high amount of competitive play.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:32

Der Waffle Mous: Nov 27, 2009; In the grim future, there is only commerce.

Yeah they were just slightly more than a stormraven for a while.

Now I just kinda stare at mine wistfully because the ~450ish points it costs can buy a lot of bodies.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 18:40

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Pendent posted:

Stormravens, Fire Raptors, Hemlocks... the list goes on. Many fliers have been good to amazing.

Scions in Valkyries are actually extremely cool and good right now:

This synergizes very well with the Scion trait of exploding hits on 6's to hit, because you'll have plasma guns that can't get hot and get an extra shot on 5's and 6's. You can also have them doing this on turn 1 and the valkyries themselves got a decent drop in CA. It's not top table competitive but it's definitely got some legs.

Sucks that it applies to Valkyries but not Vendettas.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 19:14

Pendent: Nov 16, 2011; The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius; Grimey Drawer

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Sucks that it applies to Valkyries but not Vendettas.

Forgeworld stuff doesn't really exist as far as the rules in books from GW prime are concerned. Just another reason Forgeworld needs to stop being it's own poorly run sub-company and actually integrate with the rest of Games Workshop.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 19:17

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer

I'm excited for Crimson Fist players that get a chapter tactic soon. When is that WD coming out?

# ? Dec 28, 2018 19:18

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Pendent posted:

Forgeworld stuff doesn't really exist as far as the rules in books from GW prime are concerned. Just another reason Forgeworld needs to stop being it's own poorly run sub-company and actually integrate with the rest of Games Workshop.

Yeah. It really sucks because I really like the Vendetta but have no motivation to move forward if that particular combination wouldn't work.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 19:22

bij: Feb 24, 2007

Brother-Captain Danielus Craig has put in some service judging by those studs.

Crimson Fists are pretty cool.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 19:24

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Holy poo poo that looks gorgeous.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 19:26

Cooked Auto: Aug 4, 2007

Pendent posted:

Forgeworld stuff doesn't really exist as far as the rules in books from GW prime are concerned. Just another reason Forgeworld needs to stop being it's own poorly run sub-company and actually integrate with the rest of Games Workshop.

If the end result for this would've been a plastic Vulture kit I'd be all for it.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 19:37

Groetgaffel: Oct 30, 2011; Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Sucks that it applies to Valkyries but not Vendettas.

I'm still mystified over why the Vendetta doesn't have the Roving Gunship rule that the Valkyrie does.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 20:48

Zark the Damned: Mar 9, 2013

Pendent posted:

Forgeworld stuff doesn't really exist as far as the rules in books from GW prime are concerned. Just another reason Forgeworld needs to stop being it's own poorly run sub-company and actually integrate with the rest of Games Workshop.

I thought the Vendetta was mainline GW but they never made a proper model? It was certainly in previous IG Books.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 20:53

Cooked Auto: Aug 4, 2007

Zark the Damned posted:

I thought the Vendetta was mainline GW but they never made a proper model? It was certainly in previous IG Books.

Yeah, you could just buy an upgrade kit with a bunch of wing mounted lascannons from FW.

# ? Dec 28, 2018 21:04

TheChirurgeon: Aug 7, 2002; Remember how good you are; Taco Defender

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Holy poo poo that looks gorgeous.

It's also massive :ssh:

The new White Dwarf should be out next week, iirc

# ? Dec 28, 2018 21:09

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

Pendent posted:

Forgeworld stuff doesn't really exist as far as the rules in books from GW prime are concerned.

"Medusas and Earth....shakers?"
- every Master of Ordnance in the Astra Militarum

# ? Dec 28, 2018 21:26

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer