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70 | 41.92% |
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21 | 12.57% |
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| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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davidbix posted:Willfully? No. But it was considerably more preventable than most people realize. WWF went to their usual stunt rigger to ask if they could lower Owen, but with some kind of quick release to unhook himself because it took too long to get him out of the harness on live TV. (I believe the pratfall idea was the egg, not he chicken.) The rigger said no, that's incredibly dangerous because it could trigger while he's hanging, but I'll do the normal version for X price. When they don't call him back to confirm, he freaks out that they found someone willing to do it and tells his assistant to call the WWF offer to do it the same way himself for half of what his boss charged. They didn't bite. I completely forgot about the "usual rigger won't do what we want, let's go elsewhere"/rigger panics because someone will probably die if they get what they want/too late, no response, and Koderas either receiving a glancing blow or literally being like one or two steps just out of being smushed by a 200-pound Hart falling from like a thousand feet above him. The Owen story is literally "there's always another detail, and it's always worse". It really is the most astounding thing the company (mostly) got away with. sexpig by night posted:yea if you just saw MVP in his gimmick on another promotion most people would think 'oh yea that's a fun persona to work with', it's just WWE's pool for black wrestlers being 'diva, athlete, literal savage jungle monster, diva athlete, scary black man' has led to even very normal 'yea I'm just kinda a prissy and arrogant guy who's athletic and sometimes I get big wins to brag about and sometimes I get smacked down after being too smug and lovely' gimmicks to feel bad just by association. Which is a shame because, yea, according to most things I saw MVP was just fine with his character and had fun with it so it kinda blows that it's hard not to think 'yea but did he get that persona because the writers literally didn't know how to write a black guy other than that because this is like the fourth one of these gimmicks I've seen' I mean, yeah, because he came up with the gimmick himself, and even owns it, which is how he was able to carry on with it outside of WWE. It's also probably why he barely gets invited back, even for nostalgia-based shows where people would pop bigly for the tube entrance and "One, two, you hear the clock ticking?"
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I genuinely forgot MVP came up with and owns the gimmick, yea that explains that then
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Dec 30, 2018 02:58
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D.N. Nation posted:So Vince/WWE hates Warrior and either wholesale ignores him or makes the point to trash him, then (???), then he gets inducted into the HOF, then dies, now he's a hero for us all. I think it was the WWE 2K game appearance. 2K Games decided on Warrior being the pre-order DLC and probably dealt with him without using WWE as a middleman (they have a history of doing things against WWE's wishes. See also: "You don't want Punk! You want Sheamus!"). Warrior did business with them and even appeared in an ad for the game. After the fact, Triple H got in touch with him and offered him the marquee spot in that year's HOF induction.
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Dec 30, 2018 03:24
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Wasn’t it a similar deal with Goldberg where they did that video and the Suplex City tease without WWE having a clue?
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Dec 30, 2018 04:13
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Jerusalem posted:Wasn’t it a similar deal with Goldberg where they did that video and the Suplex City tease without WWE having a clue? With Goldberg, Warrior and Sting, it's interesting how the WWE 2K pre-order DLC spot ends up shaping WWE at times.
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Dec 30, 2018 04:21
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Web Jew.0 posted:WWE takes care of their travel. Iirc they mostly get bussed with the gear trucks.
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Dec 30, 2018 08:17
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Gavok posted:With Goldberg, Warrior and Sting, it's interesting how the WWE 2K pre-order DLC spot ends up shaping WWE at times.
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Dec 30, 2018 10:07
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"Why was Goldberg a waste of money" I ask to myself as instinctively try to vote for HHH vs Booker T again.
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Dec 30, 2018 10:34
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that video package of Sting that aired on Raw and had the crowd going apeshit (before the reveal that he was just DLC for the new 2K game and completely deflating them) was p funny
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Dec 30, 2018 16:52
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Fauxhawk Express posted:that video package of Sting that aired on Raw and had the crowd going apeshit (before the reveal that he was just DLC for the new 2K game and completely deflating them) was p funny That ad was better than anything WWE's ever produced.
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Dec 30, 2018 17:25
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It even had his old music which was way better with the crap they gave him
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Dec 30, 2018 18:14
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1079432473187180544
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Dec 30, 2018 18:44
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Ring boy slam dunk not even close.
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Dec 30, 2018 18:51
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The ring boy stuff just is one of those things the more I learn about the more mad I get. I may vote for it over the Owen death
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Dec 30, 2018 21:46
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Yeah the ring boy thing makes the whole "wholesome family entertainment" thing look more and more hypocritical. If I was a journo, I'd burn my access asking about Terry Garvin school of self defense.
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Dec 30, 2018 21:50
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RealFoxy posted:Another reminder for how bad WWE's idea of irony is, when ECW started they intentionally started pushing people like Kevin Thorne and stupid gimmicks like The Zombie and Nacho Libre because "That's what people expected us to do non-ironically so we did it "ironically" STAC Goat posted:I'd call wrestlers like Sasha Banks and MVP borderline. If WWE had more credibility they wouldn't be stereotypes and the wrestlers themselves seem to embrace the gimmicks. But with WWE's history of sticking black wrestlers with stereotypical black gimmicks Sasha and MVP fall comfortably into the majority vs like a Bobby Lashley. I don't know if this is necessarily tournament-worthy, but probably my biggest source of anger & disappointment in WWE over the years has been them forcing the roster to adopt "the "WWE style" where they can't just let their wrestlers be themselves and wrestle a style they're comfortable with, and instead ruin them by making them all generic get-your-poo poo-in entertainers. So much ruined potential in the name of "the product is the draw, not the roster, despite that we'll always try to shove one guy into the spotlight forever". Any one of us could probably list a dozen great wrestlers they've ruined and/or made more boring off the top of our heads.
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Dec 30, 2018 21:55
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Don't forget Vince came up with this:
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Dec 30, 2018 22:16
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sticklefifer posted:Kevin Thorne aside, didn't those gimmicks debut entirely so that Sandman could do his long-winded entrance shtick and beat them up? That I could deal with. They did much worse in that era to make everyone hate ECW. "Hey guys, remember that ECW home video commercial? Let's make Kelly Kelly do the Kimona dance EVERY week!" Not entirely, it was partly because SyFy wanted more "sci-fi" content. At least that was the rationale for guys like the Zombie, Thorn and Boogeyman. Nacho Libre was probably personal amusement.
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Dec 30, 2018 22:43
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If I remember correctly WWE’s writing team is almost exclusively white dudes pitching things they hope an old white dude will like.
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Dec 30, 2018 22:46
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I assume Nacho Libre was advertising dollars from the movie studio or corporate syngergy. edit: I never actually saw it before and assumed it was like, actually a movie tie in. I just watched. My bad. Yeah, that's just dumb rear end amusement from when they had no idea what ECW was.
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Dec 30, 2018 22:48
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I love the story about how Sandman was supposed to beat up an alien (rather than a zombie) on the first ECW episode, but Sci-Fi put the kibosh on it... so Vince went out of his way to scare away a guy dressed as an alien on the next Raw. I don't know if it's true but I hope it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJwF2-IBGw It's crazy that management using slurs is probably going to lose, but I woudn't be surprised to see the ring boy scandal "win" the whole thing.
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Dec 31, 2018 03:36
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I thought the little bat dangle thing Ariel would do during Thorn's entrance was neat. I think that's about the highest praise I can give Kevin Thorn. Boogeyman was the tits though, I feel like if that dude was younger he could have gone places. He gave me that old Undertaker vibe of "guy selling the hell out of a bad gimmick"
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Dec 31, 2018 03:43
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Lunatic Sledge posted:I thought the little bat dangle thing Ariel would do during Thorn's entrance was neat. I think that's about the highest praise I can give Kevin Thorn. Both Ariel and Boogeyman had the same thing truly holding them back: being really bad at wrestling. And it's such a shame it feels like it's doing the open racism a disservice, but covering up pedophilia for years is indeed a shoe in to win.
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Dec 31, 2018 04:02
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open racism in my capitalism? Never would have expected it. The only true winners here are the people learning that WWE is a dirty hole of lies and terribleness.
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Dec 31, 2018 04:10
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coconono posted:open racism in my capitalism? Never would have expected it. We already had at least one or two people here say this caused them to decide to cancel their network sub, and the thread got a tryhard troll probated a lot of times. This tournament is already an undeniable success in my book
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Dec 31, 2018 04:12
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1079574237495599104?s=19
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Dec 31, 2018 04:18
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I am going to have a really hard time voting against the ring boy scandal ever, even against my anti-labor banner. gently caress, it's like they got rid of Jerry Sandusky then hired him back. Just...gently caress. Who even does that? How do you even like Mel Philips enough to take that risk? You weren't making money off of him so you can't even call it ghoulish pragmatism.
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Dec 31, 2018 04:19
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Vickie wins out slightly for me just cause it was awful and the WWE tried to play it off by saying they were helping Vickie
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Dec 31, 2018 04:31
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To me Goldust is an easy pick because they kept the gimmick around. They still profit off the character they turned face by saying he wasn't gay, he was a real man.
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wow, literally a 50/50 vote with 104 votes right now
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MassRafTer posted:To me Goldust is an easy pick because they kept the gimmick around. They still profit off the character they turned face by saying he wasn't gay, he was a real man. See, longevity is what makes me feel the other way about this. They kept the Goldust character around, but after his WCW return I feel like they largely pooh-poohed the virulent homophobia in favor of the extremely sensitive and intellectually-conceived 'he got electrocuted so now he has tourette's' gimmick. Vickie was a non-wrestler employed in no small part because the company helped drive her husband into an early grave, and for, what, the next seven years her gimmick was that she was fat, evil and slutty, and everyone should at all times treat her like poo poo because she deserves it. The lows of Goldust were lower and you can never erase them, but at this point Goldust has existed for about as long as Guy Who Won't Stop Making Movie References as he did a homophobic whipping boy twenty years ago; Vickie Guerrero was everything wrong with the way the WWE treats women rolled into one character and they still have her pop up occasionally, in that gimmick, for cheap heel heat.
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Dec 31, 2018 05:38
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They only paid her 500 a week god drat https://twitter.com/ACraig2031/status/1079597703200411648
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Dec 31, 2018 05:47
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the Golddust thing is whatever. Paying Vickie $500 an event(did she do house shows?) while trying to make it look like they're doing her some goodwill is pretty loving awful.
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Dec 31, 2018 06:01
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CarlCX posted:See, longevity is what makes me feel the other way about this. They kept the Goldust character around, but after his WCW return I feel like they largely pooh-poohed the virulent homophobia in favor of the extremely sensitive and intellectually-conceived 'he got electrocuted so now he has tourette's' gimmick. Vickie was a non-wrestler employed in no small part because the company helped drive her husband into an early grave, and for, what, the next seven years her gimmick was that she was fat, evil and slutty, and everyone should at all times treat her like poo poo because she deserves it. Same. As a gay guy I loving hate Goldust's origins and will forever have that in my pile of 'no, Vince genuinely has nothing but hate and disdain for LGBT people' evidence but they at the very least ended that and now he's just as known as 'that loving movie dude' as he is 'the queer'. Vickie STILL gets treated like dirt, paid poo poo, and she's a loving non-wrestler who's husband WWE absolutely, at best, had a large hand in killing. Gotta give it to her.
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Dec 31, 2018 06:04
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I believe that to be true going by what I read at the time. Karlee Perez (Maxine in WWE/Catrina in Lucha Underground) around the same time was squeezed out of WWE as after getting called up to the main roster they wouldn't upgrade her contract from her FCW one.
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Dec 31, 2018 06:07
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IIRC they also said Karlee was too fat, which is some pretty wtf stuff by even contemporary body shaming standards.
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Dec 31, 2018 06:10
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Taking stuff out of context, one would be content to assume that Vicki was just somebody who played her role to perfection, that of an obnoxious middle manager on an endless power trip who is impossible to not hate. You could call it excellent heeling. You could also call it personal attacks. It is again one of those questions that begs to ask two questions. 1) What constitutes an acceptable attempt to garner heat in this day and age? 2) Given WWE's power over their employees is it even possible for them to ask anybody anything without constituting an abuse of said power. But given that their stock answers are 'anything that won't make our stock numbers go down' and 'who loving cares we'll do it anyway' it's better to just say 'gently caress them for all this poo poo' And at least pay the lady. poo poo. I have no idea how she put up with it for 7 years for such a bullshit sum.
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Dec 31, 2018 06:54
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The Vickie stuff is REALLY bad but the Goldust poo poo happened when they had their biggest kid audience ever and they just fed them some of the worst homophobic garbage you could see on TV. Literally telling the audience that Goldust wasn't queer, he was a "real man."
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Dec 31, 2018 07:02
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coconono posted:the Golddust thing is whatever. Paying Vickie $500 an event(did she do house shows?) while trying to make it look like they're doing her some goodwill is pretty loving awful.
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The Cameo posted:I completely forgot about the "usual rigger won't do what we want, let's go elsewhere"/rigger panics because someone will probably die if they get what they want/too late, no response, and Koderas either receiving a glancing blow or literally being like one or two steps just out of being smushed by a 200-pound Hart falling from like a thousand feet above him. After going through Over the Edge, Russo learned loving nothing from Owen's death. Somebody should ask Lance about it on Figure Four or Twitter so we can hear all the details.
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