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The Glumslinger posted:Goons: The democratc party needs to stop involving itself in recruiting candidates and let the best people win according to the locality Idk as a woman I find it disgraceful to not have abortion as a litmus test. As a woman living in a state that wants to remove my right for a safe legal abortion, I believe its an important issue that a lot of people are letting slide. To me it reads as : Will i let the government decide what I can do with my body? And democrats think any variation of 'yes' is an ok position to have?? No. Absolutely not.
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The Glumslinger posted:Goons: The democratc party needs to stop involving itself in recruiting candidates and let the best people win according to the locality yes correct, there are wrong ways to do that and agreeing that such a basic thing like women's healthcare is up for debate is a pretty fuckin wrong one!
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:Idk as a woman I find it disgraceful to not have abortion as a litmus test. As a woman living in a state that wants to remove my right for a safe legal abortion, I believe its an important issue that a lot of people are letting slide. To me it reads as : Will i let the government decide what I can do with my body? And democrats think any variation of 'yes' is an ok position to have?? It's almost like the entire theory behind "have red state Democrats tack right on social issues and throw marginalized people under the bus" is viscerally morally insulting and also as of the 2018 midterms usually doesn't loving work.
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Dec 25, 2018 18:58
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Lightning Knight posted:It's almost like the entire theory behind "have red state Democrats tack right on social issues and throw marginalized people under the bus" is viscerally morally insulting and also as of the 2018 midterms usually doesn't loving work.
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Dec 26, 2018 11:55
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I'm willing to be flexible with politicians based on the industries in the area. Nobody is going to expect a representative from West Virginia to be an environmental champion. The problem is when that representative then gets put up by party leadership as the ranking Democratic member on the Energy Committee.
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Dec 26, 2018 18:13
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Who in this thread is actively involved in state and/or local politics? Do you have any plans for 2019? Working on any initiatives? Forming a citizens group? Anything else? I know people tease each other online about internet activism not translating to IRL action, but I am sure I remember people posting things about real work that they are doing. One person linked to a video of him steering a portion of a local meeting for example, it was very cool. I'd be interested in people's S/L politics new year's resolutions, if anyone can post I'd love to see what yall are up to. For the first time in my life I can make a pretty accurate guess about where I'll be living for the next few years so I'd like to get involved in something. I plan on getting back into DSA but I also want to be involved in a hyper-local issue, as I now feel like I can accurately describe myself as a "concerned local resident". So what will you all be doing?
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I'm currently a PC, and vice chair for my legislative district, as well as being on the State committee. I'm not really sure what I want to be doing for 2019. The Senate race is starting to rev up so I might get in on that. There's also some changes I'd like to see to the nomination petition system in my State and I want to figure out what can be done without legislation. I think the system is annoying to both parties, so it might not be a pipe-dream.
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I’m going to be getting involved in local Texas politics and I’ll post reports as I do. My involvement in Wisconsin has been spotty but I assume it’s like everywhere else, I.e. cliquey and stupid.
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Dec 26, 2018 19:01
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Lightning Knight posted:My involvement in Wisconsin has been spotty but I assume it’s like everywhere else, I.e. cliquey and stupid. That's probably safe assumption. I can confirm that that's been a fairly universal constant in my experiences.
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Dec 26, 2018 19:02
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:That's probably safe assumption. I can confirm that that's been a fairly universal constant in my experiences. I went to one local Dems meeting and it was such a shitshow it made me never want to go back lmao. I’m gonna go in Texas but woof, buncha fuckin’ olds arguing over who gets to run the clubhouse.
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I went to a county dem meetup near me and literally nobody else showed up, whoever runs the facebook page just does not respond to messages, etc. I'm trying to decide between abandoning the idea, or seeking them out, taking over, and ruling with an iron fist.
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Javid posted:I went to a county dem meetup near me and literally nobody else showed up, whoever runs the facebook page just does not respond to messages, etc. I'm trying to decide between abandoning the idea, or seeking them out, taking over, and ruling with an iron fist. nobody else at the meeting sounds like it's time for a few motions to pass reassigning all posts and powers to you
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I am a member of the local young Dems group and i’m precinct chair for the Democrats in my polling area. If you have any Indiana questions about running for office let me know I have a good idea on the process since I ran last year for township advisory board.
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Javid posted:I went to a county dem meetup near me and literally nobody else showed up, whoever runs the facebook page just does not respond to messages, etc. I'm trying to decide between abandoning the idea, or seeking them out, taking over, and ruling with an iron fist. Yeah, contact the State party in that case. The only thing in the way of you being in charge is finding someone to act as Treasurer.
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Lightning Knight posted:It's almost like the entire theory behind "have red state Democrats tack right on social issues and throw marginalized people under the bus" is viscerally morally insulting and also as of the 2018 midterms usually doesn't loving work. Are there any theories that did work in red states, aside from ones like "run against a pedophile?"
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PerniciousKnid posted:Are there any theories that did work in red states, aside from ones like "run against a pedophile?" Progressives and socialists won office in the Virginia legislature in 2017.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Are there any theories that did work in red states, aside from ones like "run against a pedophile?" Be Joe Manchin? Also, tacking center worked in Arizona Virginia is hardly a red state at this point, despite the 2010 gerrymander. Basically, Dems need to run candidates with a central campaign message. It's hard for the Republican light model to work if you go out if your way to avoid explaining why you'll be different than a Republican. The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Dec 27, 2018 |
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Dec 27, 2018 05:34
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Lightning Knight posted:Progressives and socialists won office in the Virginia legislature in 2017. Did they win any rural districts?
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PerniciousKnid posted:Did they win any rural districts? It's difficult to tell since there's not a lot of information available from cursory Google searches given that I don't exactly know where to live, but they seem to be suburban and not heavily populated. This is all an academic exercise, we all know where this discussion goes, which is debating the merits of having poo poo Democrats who will vote like Joe Manchin and hoping they're willing to pass watered down, useless versions of whatever we want to pass, while global warming barrels towards us unabated.
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Lightning Knight posted:It's difficult to tell since there's not a lot of information available from cursory Google searches given that I don't exactly know where to live, but they seem to be suburban and not heavily populated. I was just wondering if any modern progressives have found a winning strategy for more rural districts. The closest I can think of is Bernie in Vermont.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Yeah, contact the State party in that case. The only thing in the way of you being in charge is finding someone to act as Treasurer. all hail Javid, new permanent delegate to the state Democratic convention
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PerniciousKnid posted:Did they win any rural districts? Actually quite a few! The state party just ran people who were lefties and surpruse, they won! And we elected our first trans woman! All hail her Lady of Progressive Grace Danica Roem! Virginia is turning blue and next year I hope the Democrats bring their a-game because I want all 3 chambers dammit. Let's murder Dominion Power's stranglehold on our state politics!
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friendbot2000 posted:Actually quite a few! The state party just ran people who were lefties and surpruse, they won! And we elected our first trans woman! All hail her Lady of Progressive Grace Danica Roem! Lee Carter is a DSA member who had 0 party support whatsoever because it was viewed as hopeless and he won. It was awesome. Hope he and the others can defend their seats next year and we can find 2 more to flip.
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The Glumslinger posted:Also, tacking center worked in Arizona I don't know how true that is. Other candidates in Arizona won statewide offices without being the most conservative Democrat in the House. At least for 2018, running women seemed to be a very effective strategy.
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friendbot2000 posted:Virginia is turning blue and next year I hope the Democrats bring their a-game because I want all 3 chambers dammit. Let's murder Dominion Power's stranglehold on our state politics! i wouldn't get my hopes up that the va dems won't be just as much a rubber stamp for dominion
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PerniciousKnid posted:Are there any theories that did work in red states, aside from ones like "run against a pedophile?" Brown and Tester won and I would be very interested in understanding how, since they’re pretty ideal for red state senators.
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life is a joke posted:Who in this thread is actively involved in state and/or local politics? Do you have any plans for 2019? Working on any initiatives? Forming a citizens group? Anything else? I know people tease each other online about internet activism not translating to IRL action, but I am sure I remember people posting things about real work that they are doing. One person linked to a video of him steering a portion of a local meeting for example, it was very cool. My place in S/L is weird - I show up specifically for Virginia AFL-CIO endorsed candidates, and regular life gets in the way of a lot of other involvement. I follow DC DSA, but I can never get time to come say hello. I know my ANC member, and I see him on the street, but never make monthly meetings. My last big stand was Initiative 77 related fighting, and I’ll be working to dislodge my Ward councilman for voting to nullify the will of my city. Everyone wants to do more, i think, and that’s always the thing. We’re all aware enough to know that being loaded down with responsibility is a feature of the system. Too tired to revolt. Too tired to keep the passion. And none of us, save a very small few, are ACTUALLY doing enough to stop the end of the world. If that climate report is real, and I think we all know it is, the fact that we haven’t all stopped everything to retool every bit of energy we have to stop the (literal) rising tide means we’re already losing. We aren’t pushing our reps enough. None of us are. Maybe we’ve got a good one here and there, but by and large the people in charge are shrugging. So everything ultimately feels lacking in the long view. So we do what we can with what we have. And we try to push further. The resolution is simple: help those I love to suffer less. That can mean more money in pocket, a gig worth having, an affordable place to live. And we have people who believe in that, who fight for that, and have a pathway to get to that.
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Meanwhile, in the VA-SEN-33 Special Election: One hundred volunteers. One hundred volunteers in the weekend after Christmas. That's a good number of volunteers on a regular Saturday during election season. For a midwinter special election? That's utterly absurd. Much love to friendbot for showing up. If the Democrats hold this seat, it only takes one flip to repeal Right To Work, one flip to redraw the commonwealth, one flip to make Virginia true blue.
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evilweasel posted:Brown and Tester won and I would be very interested in understanding how, since they’re pretty ideal for red state senators. Tester seems to benefit from a state with elastic voters, so that may not translate. Brown, I don't know. His margin looks like it improved compared to Hillary in 2016 by about 14 points, compared to say Mckaskill who improved by 12 and lost. So maybe he just benefited from a relatively blue state and a favorable environment.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Meanwhile, in the VA-SEN-33 Special Election: Hell yeah! We're doing the same thing next week so if DMV goons want to come out help we could use It. Fancy if you ever need help with data entry I find it really cathartic so Hit me up
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I'm willing to be flexible with politicians based on the industries in the area. Nobody is going to expect a representative from West Virginia to be an environmental champion. Former KKK member and West Virginia Democratic Senator Robert Byrd actually came out against the coal industry in the last few years of his life and said that the coal industry as it exists can not exist in the future. Sometimes you can come out against the industry, but you have to be "an institution" and Byrd balanced it by framing it as a pro-miners move. It is really hard to do in modern politics because politicians don't have credibility to get a pass anymore and workers tend to view the fate of the industry they work in with their personal fate in a way that they previously did not.
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Lightning Knight posted:It's almost like the entire theory behind "have red state Democrats tack right on social issues and throw marginalized people under the bus" is viscerally morally insulting and also as of the 2018 midterms usually doesn't loving work. Heidi Heitkamp was pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, voted against Kavanaugh, made women's issues central to her campaign, was in favor of "reasonable gun control," and she under-performed by more than any other statewide Democratic incumbent running in 2018. Applying a blanket strategy of going all in on one side of social issues or the other doesn't have any strong data to support it one way or the other. Pro-life Democrats and Pro-choice Republicans did better in swing districts and states than Pro-choice Democrats and Pro-Life Republicans in 2006, 2008, and 2012. The opposite was true in 2004, 2002, and 2014.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Heidi Heitkamp was pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, voted against Kavanaugh, made women's issues central to her campaign, was in favor of "reasonable gun control," and she under-performed by more than any other statewide Democratic incumbent running in 2018. She also famously decided to tack far right and back up Trump's white nationalist rhetoric on the caravan so try again lol.
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Think the very blatant voter suppression of Native Americans had more of an effect then anything else tbh
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Lightning Knight posted:She also famously decided to tack far right and back up Trump's white nationalist rhetoric on the caravan so try again lol. Do you think that was why she under performed more than other candidates who supported it more vigorously?
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Think the very blatant voter suppression of Native Americans had more of an effect then anything else tbh That certainly didn't help her margins, but native american voter participation in 2018 set a record for highest ever. https://www.npr.org/2018/11/19/669361542/native-american-turnout-in-north-dakota-reached-unprecedented-levels-in-midterms
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Do you think that was why she under performed more than other candidates who supported it more vigorously? I don't think it did her any favors, and I think she deserved to lose for doing it.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think it did her any favors, and I think she deserved to lose for doing it. That''s fine, but that really has nothing to do with the original topic about the effectiveness of nationwide social issue positions.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That''s fine, but that really has nothing to do with the original topic about the effectiveness of nationwide social issue positions. I think that tacking right on that issue almost certainly cost her voter enthusiasm and volunteers, given similar reports about other conservative Democrats in red states such as Bresden.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Meanwhile, in the VA-SEN-33 Special Election: Incidentally, if you'd like to help hold a state senate seat in the new year, hit me up on PM. We're doing another voter walk this coming Saturday, January 5th, 2019, at 0900 in Herndon. Details and instructions upon request. Jennifer Boysko is a Good Woman.
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