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Push El Burrito posted:The best part about the Star Wars people is they get to watch their series be filled with more women and POC. And as they wail about PC ruining their Star Wars old Luke Skywalker just keeps drinking that alien's breast milk. I don't even much care for the new Star Wars movies but the fact that Nazis hate them for all the stupidest reasons brings me endless entertainment. 
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Darko posted:Mobs scare me because I'm black and were often used against us as a weapon. Yeah I hear ya, but there's big distinctions we have to make here. Physical mobs that go around inciting people to cause horrific crimes like lynching are not the same thing as people getting together to identify racists and other abusers so they can be outed to their companies or their social circles. I understand that this new digital way of trying to find justice isn't always precise, but one often takes the form of physical groups of murderous racists and in the other hand you have digital groups of usually marginalized social media users doing their activities online. And it's not like the ones on the receiving end have the same outcomes as those of a straight-up lynch mob.
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Holy poo poo if you think mob justice is a force for progressive social justice you have no conception of history or justice. You literally provided a perfect example of how such things disproportionately target/effect the vulnerable and somehow thought it was an example of why they're needed? The entirety of lightning knight's/white sauce's arguments are basically just justifying power fantasies of hurting people they deem deserve it and setting right the wrongs of the system. The fact you default to telling us how bad the target of your rage is and how anything they got is deserved or any innocents harmed acceptable collateral damage is literally the problem. You two are failing to see other's concerns because the fact people think like you is the problem with mob justice.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Quick form a twitter mob I'm just saying lobbing Emmet Till in there just for inflammatory purposes was... I don't know but I guess it worked on me. sexpig by night posted:comparing 'mobs' where they're mainly the actual victims of more powerful men saying 'this guy is hosed up' and people going 'wow that sucks' where those powerful men really don't face much consequences unless it's Winstein who had such a long and deep history of sex crimes there was literally no choice but to put him on trial, and the general specter of lynch mobs, is loving insane. But there really wasn't an equation there? This person was saying that the inherent dangers of any mob mentality worried them.
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Push El Burrito posted:The best part about the Star Wars people is they get to watch their series be filled with more women and POC. And as they wail about PC ruining their Star Wars old Luke Skywalker just keeps drinking that alien's breast milk. Nearly every person I know ranks TLJ just under Empire and it makes me unnaturally giddy any time someone complains about it because imo it's a great film that manchildren dont like because it goes farther than "good guys fight bad guys"
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No! you are telling the story wrong! the real story is way more weird! Leo gallagher is the 80s guy, ron gallagher is the right wing guy. I think Leo kinda a prick but he's just generic 'old comic who's more a punchline than an actual comic' bitter stuff, yea. Ron is 'Gallagher 2' and yea he's the one running around saying 'and this watermellon represents SAFE SPACES' and smashing it or whatever the gently caress that guy does. The Gallagher Saga is genuinely insane and it's hilariously one of the roots of the entire 'old comic who isn't funny bitches that those drat kids don't get comedy any more' genre
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KickerOfMice posted:No, and I hope he doesn't. Let that lameass crack bounce off and clatter uselessly to the floor. The biggest indication that he's gone full Dennis Miller? It contradicts material he did years ago, like when he talked about being too old for Girls Gone Wild and since he has daughters thinking "Get the whipped cream off your tits and go to class, there's a recession," etc. Now he's calling college kids out for caring about things and being activists pushing social change?
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Jarmak posted:Holy poo poo if you think mob justice is a force for progressive social justice you have no conception of history or justice. You literally provided a perfect example of how such things disproportionately target/effect the vulnerable and somehow thought it was an example of why they're needed? a group of people saying 'it's hosed up that this powerful guy abused people' isn't loving 'mob justice' you dingus. You can't just go all Trump and declare everything where someone big faces public backlash a 'mob', and yea you can't loving compare that to literal lynch mobs
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/eclectablog/status/1079767391540776961?s=21 pft Mueller was Q before Q! Grifters like Mensch and TrueFactsStated were getting people to ~trust the plan~ months before the first terrible Q poem got written
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Jarmak posted:You two are failing to see other's concerns because the fact people think like you is the problem with mob justice. So if Louis CK is a huge sexpest and I make a hashtag and get people to tweet about it, is that mob justice? Because that sounds like an argument to do absolutely nothing about bad people behaving badly in the face of a system that won't do anything about it.
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VH4Ever posted:The biggest indication that he's gone full Dennis Miller? It contradicts material he did years ago, like when he talked about being too old for Girls Gone Wild and since he has daughters thinking "Get the whipped cream off your tits and go to class, there's a recession," etc. Now he's calling college kids out for caring about things and being activists pushing social change? Yeah, people saying his comedy has always been like this are being very reductive. This is a right-wing bent he didn't have before, even a little, and it seems like he's seen his only available career move
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Nearly every person I know ranks TLJ just under Empire and it makes me unnaturally giddy any time someone complains about it because imo it's a great film that manchildren dont like because it goes farther than "good guys fight bad guys" I’m glad the new Star Wars movies are trying to be progressive, I’m sad at how hamfisted the writing seems to be at times, I’m upset that Disney is now the main source of entertainment content for a legion of ostensible adults, I’m wryly aware that the Flintstones was a prime time sitcom, and I’m trying most of all to figure out the diplomatic way to let my family know that I was a manic Star Wars fan at 10, but at 42 I’m pretty much indifferent and that after Christmas I quietly donated a box of SW toys and clothes to Goodwill, and that I probably can’t be bothered to see any more of the movies because magic on tap for twice yearly drops isn’t magic anymore.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Nearly every person I know ranks TLJ just under Empire and it makes me unnaturally giddy any time someone complains about it because imo it's a great film that manchildren dont like because it goes farther than "good guys fight bad guys" nah. also the manchildren getting mad about poc and women obviously didn't watch the old movies.
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Lightning Knight posted:I remember reading this article when it came out and it would be hilarious if it wasn't sad how seriously people take YA books. As an English teacher, these people are a blight on creativity or writing for character development. Every main character being a perfect person with no flaws or problems is loving boring, and is just really bad character writing. People are naturally flawed and have baggage; your characters should have baggage but grow from new experiences. Also, Harry Potter's mom is a perfect example of that character and JK Rowling writes human relationships like an alien learning about humans through an anthropology course on some distant world 
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Lightning Knight posted:I think you can make a pretty convincing case that no, it's not the same mob going after the white techbro and the black woman, actually, and that they don't have the same motivations. I think you overestimate the political aspects of the mobs. A tiny portion of the people going after any of these targets are idealogues, and few of them bother to look into anything beyond a single incriminating tweet or accusation. The crowd is there because it's legitimately loving fun to join in with the pack and pummel some poor bastard who can't fight back. All they care about is that someone has been declared fair game. They have no interest in your causes and when they're bored with Weinstein or Nazis they'll gleefully go after "welfare cheats" or black men who match vague descriptions of criminals. I think I'm just repeating myself at this point though. If folks want to embrace mob justice then eventually you're going to learn why people have considered it one of the worst loving things since the first attempts to write laws. Ohthehugemanatee fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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Lightning Knight posted:So if Louis CK is a huge sexpest and I make a hashtag and get people to tweet about it, is that mob justice? Because that sounds like an argument to do absolutely nothing about bad people behaving badly in the face of a system that won't do anything about it. there's apparently no difference between 'a victim told their story in public and got support' and just pointing at a rando dude and saying "HE'S A RAPIST loving GET HIM"
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Liz Warren would make a terrific President. But, as a MA resident, I can confidently say that she had no chance in hell of winning. Her reputation has already taken a noticeable hit in our state!
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:No! you are telling the story wrong! the real story is way more weird! Leo gallagher is the 80s guy, ron gallagher is the right wing guy. sexpig by night posted:I think Leo kinda a prick but he's just generic 'old comic who's more a punchline than an actual comic' bitter stuff, yea. Ron is 'Gallagher 2' and yea he's the one running around saying 'and this watermellon represents SAFE SPACES' and smashing it or whatever the gently caress that guy does. Uhh, I'm pretty sure Leo (Gallagher) won a lawsuit against Ron (Gallagher 2) long ago that prevented him from touring as his likeness anymore.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Liz Warren would make a terrific President. But, as a MA resident, I can confidently say that she had no chance in hell of winning. Her reputation has already taken a noticeable hit in our state! we're pretty hosed if the next president isn't bernie or her but yeah you are, sadly, right.
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Groovelord Neato posted:those aren't real consequences. pretty sure his net worth is in the eight figures. Louis CK is not good with money. He bankrolled his Horace and Pete show with 2 million of his own funds thinking he could sell episodes to fans for $5 a piece. That direct sales method worked for his standup, but did terrible with his series. He eventually sold it to a cable channel, but before that he was pretty public in that everything he had was tied up in that show. So maybe he eked out a profit, but if he was counting on any backend money or another season being greenlit, then he's SOL. He liked financing his own stuff because it provided him more freedom. Those days are over. He's not poor, but he's not happy either. I'd be surprised if his production company was still more than an empty office and an answering service.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Uhh, I'm pretty sure Leo (Gallagher) won a lawsuit against Ron (Gallagher 2) long ago that prevented him from touring as his likeness anymore. There was some legal fuckery but Ron is totally still touring doing Gallagher poo poo, he may just be doing it as "Ron Whatever The Watermelon Smashin Dude What Hates Gays" but he's doing Gallagher in all but name still
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sexpig by night posted:pft Mueller was Q before Q! Grifters like Mensch and TrueFactsStated were getting people to ~trust the plan~ months before the first terrible Q poem got written And really we were telling people to "post ur map" long before that so the Q is coming from inside the thread
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Failed Imagineer posted:And really we were telling people to "post ur map" long before that so the Q is coming from inside the thread It’s just people praying for a montage set to the denouement of “Layla” all the way down.
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'I never thought mobs would eat MY face,' sobs goon who voted for the mobs Eating People's Faces Party.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Quick form a twitter mob They saw the Mirror Universe episodes with Terran Empire, or Khan, and are like "hmmm this looks good to me!"
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Also comics like Daniel Tosh and Anthony Jezzlenik don’t get it as bad because it’s clear they’re playing an awful person as a stand up persona.
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Ohthehugemanatee posted:I think you overestimate the political aspects of the mobs. A tiny portion of the people going after any of these targets are idealogues, and few of them bother to look into anything beyond a single incriminating tweet or accusation. The crowd is there because it's legitimately loving fun to join in with the pack and pummel some poor bastard who can't fight. All they care about is that someone has been declared fair game. The more political aspect of social media mobs is that when it's a left - leaning person or minority or woman in the targets, the same people who attack women on twitter and Doxx them and stuff now magnify *those instances* because it's an "enemy" and attempt to use it as a weapon against the left. There is a lot of bad faith mixing in there.
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sexpig by night posted:a group of people saying 'it's hosed up that this powerful guy abused people' isn't loving 'mob justice' you dingus. You can't just go all Trump and declare everything where someone big faces public backlash a 'mob', and yea you can't loving compare that to literal lynch mobs It's pretty loving lovely of you to tell a black person that their fears based on centuries of historical evidence is unfounded.
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sexpig by night posted:There was some legal fuckery but Ron is totally still touring doing Gallagher poo poo, he may just be doing it as "Ron Whatever The Watermelon Smashin Dude What Hates Gays" but he's doing Gallagher in all but name still Ok I don't know what Ron is doing now, but we are 100% talking about Gallagher Original Flavor and he is racist and homophobic as poo poo.
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sexpig by night posted:CK pre-jackoff reveal is one of the prime example of mediocre white dudes getting praised for just not being actively terrible. Like, his whole act was just Dennis Leary "I HATE EVERYONE AND MYSELF" but without the screaming and more willing to make crude jokes rather than just sweary ones and he got treated as a revolution, then he had the dramatic moment of 'I talked to a gay guy who in the most gentle terms possible told me 'yea you wouldn't like it if someone turned an insult for you into a common saying right? Maybe stop calling things gay'' and got treated as if he hosted a PFLAG chapter out of his house for decades. Didn’t Sarah Silverman watch him jerk off and defend him?
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Koalas Massacre posted:It's pretty loving lovely of you to tell a black person that their fears based on centuries of historical evidence is unfounded. Also, as an Xer, we grew up more scared of false accusations causing us to lose jobs and stuff (or jailed) than being lynched. It's our parents and grandparents who were scared of actually being killed. A white Mill male wouldn't necessarily have the same talks growing up as a black Xer, so it's understandable why the relation wouldn't be made. When I was a kid, I was taught by lived-through-segregation relatives to stay away from dating white women because there was a chance their parents wouldn't approve and then she might say I assaulted her. This isn't really the history that white people have; so there's an actual difference there. Darko fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Dec 31, 2018 |
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