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freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
turn my fuckin monitor on, larry.

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
i will never turn my monitor on

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/Trillburne/status/1079602937159139328

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Larry Parrish posted:

Turn your monitor on

I'm not owned! I'm not owned!!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

anyone else around here ever stay up too late reading stuff form people who argue that revolution is impossible in imperialist countries and get depressed.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
any revolution that will change the world is only possible if it also takes place in the imperial core, so whoever wants to argue that is taking a really dim view

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Atrocious Joe posted:

anyone else around here ever stay up too late reading stuff form people who argue that revolution is impossible in imperialist countries and get depressed.

stop reading Maoist/Third-Worldists then genius

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
PSL problems

https://twitter.com/newdi4lectic/status/1079459948734623746
https://twitter.com/sophia_tha_red/status/1078717363367874561
https://twitter.com/sophia_tha_red/status/1078717382640717824
https://twitter.com/sophia_tha_red/status/1079442801409048577

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Dec 31, 2018

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
this seems to be the main thing:

quote:

Democratic centralism, in the Marxist-Leninist practice, is not the abandonment of debate, including public debate, for the sake of unity. (This would be, in general, according to Mao, liberalism of the second and seventh types.) It is the right of all members of a Marxist-Leninist party to participate in debate with our comrades and the right of all the exploited and oppressed masses to criticize the party. Just as well, it is our responsibility to follow a unified course once we have collectively, democratically reached a decision on a definite action. This was never meant to be limited to internal meetings, nor could it feasibly be so limited, even if such drastic limits were ideal — thankfully they are not. Lenin railed against the narrow and incorrect Menshevik version of “democratic centralism” which took hold in the RSDLP, such as in “Freedom to Criticise and Unity of Action” (1906), a brief article in which Lenin explains the distinction: “Criticism within the limits of the principles of the Party Programme must be quite free, not only at Party meetings, but also at public meetings. Such criticism, or such ‘agitation’ (for criticism is inseparable from agitation) cannot be prohibited. The Party’s political action must be united. No ‘calls’ that violate the unity of definite actions can be tolerated either at public meetings, or at Party meetings, or in the Party press. Obviously, the Central Committee has defined freedom to criticise inaccurately and too narrowly, and unity of action inaccurately and too broadly.”

Contrast this with the PSL’s own publications, for example, this one regarding “Social media and democratic centralism” from an internal document circulated first in 2015, which has since been substantially rewritten and appears on the Liberation School website: “Communication between members in different branches that does not first go through the leadership bodies of the respective branches — which can be called ‘horizontal communications’ — is generally prohibited.”

This is an absurd policy on its face and one which is selectively enforced — and the selection is quite peculiar. Needless to say, it is only enforced upon party members in the rank and file, not upon leadership. Even so, every member of the PSL I know of maintains friendships and regular contact with members of other branches, which would seemingly count as horizontal. But if one member acts with chauvinism towards another, and this chauvinism and abuse is publicly (or even privately!) criticized, then “horizontal communications” (whatever this supposedly means, I am still waiting for a coherent explanation) have occured, which is alleged violation of democratic centralism. We can see one truly disgusting example of this selective enforcement in the following thread, posted on Twitter by a comrade who, until recently, was seeking membership in the PSL:

https://twitter.com/scarredoaks/status/1078743326449373184

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Ah the ol' chicken and egg thing w/r/t groups of mixed genders under patriarchy, where the men think the women are cliqued up and plotting their demise, and the women sensing naked hostility from them catch eyes with each other and start to clique up and plot their demise (out of some form of self defense eventually)

edit:
"This disillusionment with the party as a consequence of online conduct"

god we're so screwed, we can't even manage the web presence of a socialist party very well lol

"hey proles, we want to lead you, btw this is not the original PSL, here's a map of our various splits due to online"

smarxist fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Dec 31, 2018

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
could be worse

this is a hopepunk post

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
PSL sucks????? say it isnt so. I vote for the PSL candidates because lol at voting for a California democrat in general but the actual party in my experience is a bunch apropos to nothing-tier self serious dorks and one or two burnt out people who look like they came from a 10PM AA meeting instead of a political rally, drinking whiskey at 8 AM with a cigarette

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i recognize sophie, the tweeter. she handed me a PSL flyer at a demo and i said something nice about PSL and she smiled.

she seems cool. glad she left a bad scene.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Larry Parrish posted:

whiskey at 8 AM with a cigarette

there was no reason to attack me like this

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


My only direct experience with PSL was this 20 year old tankie PSL member who got extremely upset that not everybody in the campus left group wanted to chant pro-Assad chants at the Women's March, and then had a huge blowup when they were pushed out of the campus org's leadership and tried to delete all our social media after sending everyone this whole screed about social fascism.

He had a nice dog that I miss hanging out with, though, so I guess PSL isn't ALL bad.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
Keeping members from speaking to other members sounds like a good way to keep your sex cult secretive.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

if you look at some of the far-right accounts this group was feuding with -- if you know where to look -- they were making cryptic teases about a christmas day reveal. and the article was written by red guards people.

see, what i'm saying is that this is basically like that 80s role-playing game, paranoia, where everyone is a cop and they're all spying on each other



Are you cleared for that, citizen?

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

this seems to be the main thing:

The Immortal science of Marxism Leninism!

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Atrocious Joe posted:

anyone else around here ever stay up too late reading stuff form people who argue that revolution is impossible in imperialist countries and get depressed.

yeah when do you post youself usually?

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Atrocious Joe posted:

anyone else around here ever stay up too late reading stuff form people who argue that revolution is impossible in imperialist countries and get depressed.

jokes on you i'm depressed all the time

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Impermanent posted:

Keeping members from speaking to other members sounds like a good way to keep your sex cult secretive.

I'm thinking back to that story of the Philippine communist guerrilla lesbian wedding

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

I'm thinking back to that story of the Philippine communist guerrilla lesbian wedding

https://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/796671

Maymay said she first met Diane in a major political mass campaign in a big city in Mindanao. Both are in their early 30s and come from a seaside city in Mindanao.

“I was really speechless with admiration when I first saw her. Diane just had a bath that time and she had not combed her hair. I immediately fell for her,” said a giggly Maymay.

She narrated that as days passed, she became more certain that what she felt for Diane was special.

“It was not an easy process. Days passed and my feelings for her grew stronger until I was sure that I love her,” she added.

Maymay explained that she had to undergo the proper process of entering into a relationship inside the communist movement, which includes meetings and a green light from both of their collectives.

Each member of the underground movement is part of a cell or collective where relationships are also being discussed following the principle of politics over personal life.

With a shy smile, Maymay told the Inquirer that she and her group had written a letter to express her intent to court Diane and sent it to the latter’s collective.

“We sent the letter on Jan. 6 in 2014, and Diane and her collective accepted it warmly,” Maymay said.

In the country’s communist movement, it is a practice to court not just the person but also his or her collective to prove that one is worthy, not just of the affection of the person but also of the party’s approval.

A process called integration starts once the other collective agrees to accept the courtship. Both will be given time to experiment—spending time together to confirm their feelings and to attest that the blooming relationship will not affect their political responsibilities.

“I kept working on courting her until I got her sweet ‘yes’ after six months,” Maymay shared.

Like all relationships, Diane and Maymay had their share of ups and downs, but these eventually led to a very special day.

A year after Maymay sent her letter for Diane, she proposed in the middle of the plaza of one of the biggest cities in Mindanao.

Everything was well prepared just like how a coordinated NPA attack was planned, they said.

The communist movement follows a very strict policy called On Proletarian Relationship of Sexes, which was ratified in 1998 to include same-sex relationships and marriages.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Atrocious Joe posted:

anyone else around here ever stay up too late reading stuff form people who argue that revolution is impossible in imperialist countries and get depressed.

Have you tried writing a cognitive behavioral therapy journal and marking down when you are reading MTW texts?

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Lol the marxism study group in peking (which was the origin of the CCP) has been suppressed by them and apparently are being forced into recommending... Confucian literature.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Plutonis posted:

Lol the marxism study group in peking (which was the origin of the CCP) has been suppressed by them and apparently are being forced into recommending... Confucian literature.

are these those chinese characteristics I hear tell about

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Atrocious Joe posted:

anyone else around here ever stay up too late reading stuff form people who argue that revolution is impossible in imperialist countries and get depressed.

its stupid and wrong

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


HorrificExistence posted:

THe final revolution will not come until the destruction of consciousness

down with complex multicellular life! let us all return to the churning seas, so that we may be remade once more

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Uphold peter watts thought

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


i would like to amend my previous position to reflect my understanding that it is the process of endosymbiosis that has driven us down this dark path of inequality. for one cell to engulf and enslave another within its own body is the purest and most original expression of the bourgeois character. we must return to the heady days when the whole of the earth lived by the mantra of one membrane, one cell



dont loving @ me with bullshit aobut the gram negatives and their secondary membrane that doesnt count, it does not have en endosymbiotic origin and probably evolved from sporulation

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Karl Barks posted:

Have you tried writing a cognitive behavioral therapy journal and marking down when you are reading MTW texts?

Just checked and it's once every two months just so I can get a feel for the haters.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Crazycryodude posted:

My only direct experience with PSL was this 20 year old tankie PSL member who got extremely upset that not everybody in the campus left group wanted to chant pro-Assad chants at the Women's March, and then had a huge blowup when they were pushed out of the campus org's leadership and tried to delete all our social media after sending everyone this whole screed about social fascism.

He had a nice dog that I miss hanging out with, though, so I guess PSL isn't ALL bad.
he was right about the social fascists at the women's march

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

shouting pro-assad slogans at the women's march to own the social fascists.... gotta love politics!

Doc Neutral
Jan 31, 2014
what is it with leftist politics and sex pestery? what’s the solution, forcing people to sign a volcel clause before joining?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
lol, just lmao if you don't base your approach to all politics in all contexts on upholding the Lion Assad.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Doc Neutral posted:

what is it with leftist politics and sex pestery? what’s the solution, forcing people to sign a volcel clause before joining?

vanguard party but theyre all eunuchs

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

Doc Neutral posted:

what is it with leftist politics and sex pestery? what’s the solution, forcing people to sign a volcel clause before joining?

all officers should volunteer to take dick softening pills

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Happy 60th anniversary of cuban revolution

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
unironically thinking Cuba is a much more humane (if, again, more boring) society. Whatever the CIA accounting is of Cuba's number of "political prisoners," it wouldn't even match the number of black people serving life for possession since the 70s in one US state.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

GunnerJ posted:

lol, just lmao if you don't base your approach to all politics in all contexts on upholding the Lion Assad.
women's march (on aleppo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF36LsYR9os

Crazycryodude posted:

My only direct experience with PSL was this 20 year old tankie PSL member who got extremely upset that not everybody in the campus left group wanted to chant pro-Assad chants at the Women's March, and then had a huge blowup when they were pushed out of the campus org's leadership and tried to delete all our social media after sending everyone this whole screed about social fascism.

He had a nice dog that I miss hanging out with, though, so I guess PSL isn't ALL bad.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Graphic posted:

unironically thinking Cuba is a much more humane (if, again, more boring) society. Whatever the CIA accounting is of Cuba's number of "political prisoners," it wouldn't even match the number of black people serving life for possession since the 70s in one US state.
i've been seeing more self-described cuban communists popping up online, like commie subs on reddit. they're like "don't believe anything you hear from miami cubans." young people. i think what's happening is that internet access is rolling out on a big scale particularly mobile. the old generation in the communist party had a pigheaded attitude about media and keeping the society closed, which is obviously untenable. cuba has a sophisticated society.

uphold miguel diaz-canel thought

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