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Terrible Opinions posted:That's also a weakness of the source material. It gets especially bad after the initial generation mostly dies off and you just have Sleeping Dragon and Sima Yi. I kind of like it since it ties in to the whole thematic thing of history repeating. The characters are lesser versions of archetypical predecessors and realize it, that they're merely the ripples reflecting back from the edge of the pond.
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Since tv shows have come up a lot in this thread lately, would people be interested in “historically-inspired tv shows” megathread in TVIV? I don’t think any of them are big enough to fuel an independent thread but as a whole there might be more interest.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Since tv shows have come up a lot in this thread lately, would people be interested in “historically-inspired tv shows” megathread in TVIV? I don’t think any of them are big enough to fuel an independent thread but as a whole there might be more interest. As a lurker, absolutely.
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P-Mack posted:I kind of like it since it ties in to the whole thematic thing of history repeating. The characters are lesser versions of archetypical predecessors and realize it, that they're merely the ripples reflecting back from the edge of the pond.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Since tv shows have come up a lot in this thread lately, would people be interested in “historically-inspired tv shows” megathread in TVIV? I don’t think any of them are big enough to fuel an independent thread but as a whole there might be more interest. Yes, definitely. I love that poo poo and there's really nowhere to talk about it. To maintain the derail, I'm on The Last Kingdom right now thanks to this thread because I love Anglo-Saxon stuff, but I'm still thinking of dropping it mid-first season because the protagonist is such a completely unlikable shitlord, does that get any better?
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Guildencrantz posted:Yes, definitely. I love that poo poo and there's really nowhere to talk about it. The show gets better but Uhtred remains an rear end in a top hat.
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Guildencrantz posted:Yes, definitely. I love that poo poo and there's really nowhere to talk about it. In the books his antagonists are even bigger shitlords, sometimes to the point of being caricatures. I like the books though, but my preferred vikings show is the Vikings.
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Guildencrantz posted:Yes, definitely. I love that poo poo and there's really nowhere to talk about it. this is true to the books basically everyone back then was a shitlord, except for the one priest who was cool
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:“historically-inspired tv shows”
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Arglebargle III posted:Wait really
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:There's a new Poirot?
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HEY GUNS posted:three episodes only so far, set many years after the first one. it's about getting old, being famous, and nazis. also someone makes a wildly improbable shot with a pistol in the third episode, which kinda ruined the backstory reveal the show had been working up to up till then Is it anything like the serie from the 90's with David Suchet in terms of quality and storytelling?
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Dalael posted:Is it anything like the serie from the 90's with David Suchet in terms of quality and storytelling?
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HEY GUNS posted:Just as high-quality but darker. Think same continuity but this Poirot is about ten years after his heyday and dealing with how that feels. Similar beautiful sets. You get a better sense of the cold mind behind the cute exterior. I will definitely check it out then. Poirot was possibly the best show out there in the early 90's. And I just read that John Malkovich plays poirot so that's an added bonus.
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bewbies posted:this is true to the books I don't think this is me applying modern morals to these Iron Age characters though. Like, I liked Vikings before it jumped the shark, and Ragnar there is obviously not a good person by any stretch of the imagination, but the character has charisma. Meanwhile Uhtred is an annoying entitled brat with a bloated ego and all the other characters are constantly pointing out how his actions are lovely by the standards of their world, and why on earth am I expected to root for this guy again? The main reason I'm still watching is that there's not much else out there to scratch that Saxon itch (other than portraying them as hapless victims of cool vikings) and a lot of the secondary characters own. The show's take on King Alfred is great (heh) and the guy playing him knocks it out of the park imo.
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Dalael posted:I will definitely check it out then. Poirot was possibly the best show out there in the early 90's. And I just read that John Malkovich plays poirot so that's an added bonus. edit: and if you want cool cars and women in neat hats, which is the reason we all tuned in to the original, there is that HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Guildencrantz posted:Yes, definitely. I love that poo poo and there's really nowhere to talk about it. To be fair he is literally a whiny teenager. He's supposed to come across as a poo poo lord.
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Guildencrantz posted:I don't think this is me applying modern morals to these Iron Age characters though. Like, I liked Vikings before it jumped the shark, and Ragnar there is obviously not a good person by any stretch of the imagination, but the character has charisma. Meanwhile Uhtred is an annoying entitled brat with a bloated ego and all the other characters are constantly pointing out how his actions are lovely by the standards of their world, and why on earth am I expected to root for this guy again? If it follows the books he gradually grows up...a lot of the books is sort of like him admitting he was a juvenile idiot on the reg. This might be hard to pull off on a TV show though.
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HEY GUNS posted:Just as high-quality but darker. Think same continuity but this Poirot is about ten years after his heyday and dealing with how that feels. Similar beautiful sets. You get a better sense of the cold mind behind the cute exterior, and a better sense of how from Poirot's point of view what everyone else calls "vanity" is a profound sense of dignity and self-respect. Sold.
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Cessna posted:Sold.
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Guildencrantz posted:I don't think this is me applying modern morals to these Iron Age characters though. Like, I liked Vikings before it jumped the shark, and Ragnar there is obviously not a good person by any stretch of the imagination, but the character has charisma. Meanwhile Uhtred is an annoying entitled brat with a bloated ego and all the other characters are constantly pointing out how his actions are lovely by the standards of their world, and why on earth am I expected to root for this guy again? Although Uhtred was a huge jackass, I did like how he kept warning Alfred and family about their enemies, only to be ignored, punished, and whatever else happened after I stopped reading. It felt almost like a prequel series to Coriolanus - he was generally correct but also generally an rear end in a top hat.
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The Last Kingdom is based on the Bernard Cornwell books, right? Might take a look. Got a few days of freedom from work, until the current events become history.
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sullat posted:The Last Kingdom is based on the Bernard Cornwell books, right? Might take a look. Got a few days of freedom from work, until the current events become history. correct, but they tend to condense two or three books into a single season
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my bony fealty posted:Hope this is not too far off-topic: currently reading Tacitus's Annals and in the intro emphasizes that his style of Latin is quite strange and unique, at least among surviving texts. As such I've resolved to make an attempt to learn how to read Latin, something which I last did in 9th grade several years ago. I would very much like to eventually be able to read Tacitus, Suetonius, the Augustan History, etc in the original after enjoying them in English. I'd say Wheelock is not a great source for learning to read. It's more meant to help with vocabulary and make you the Captain America of Classical references. The guy who replaced me is apparently using that with 8th graders. I don't want to think about how boring that might be and how it means they threw out everything I had developed. I'm a bit bitter. If you want to learn how to read Latin, I would suggest trying out Lingua Latina. Be aware, it's entirely in Latin, so if you don't remember much, you may want to pick up the college companion.
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P-Mack posted:I kind of like it since it ties in to the whole thematic thing of history repeating. The characters are lesser versions of archetypical predecessors and realize it, that they're merely the ripples reflecting back from the edge of the pond. This is the main selling points of the Norse sagas, which is what I dig about them as well.
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Viking cat archeology is my exact fetish.
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Pontius Pilate posted:Roman emperors used violet dye. Jesus lead a peaceful life but had to violently die. 
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My Dad was complaining about the History Channel not showing history so I gave him my copies of lives of the caesers and conquest of Gaul. I am curious if he actually reads them.
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Poseidon is also the god of earthquakes and storms, so I wonder if the connection is through that. But I don't know ancient Greek so I'm not sure if "thundering of hooves" has a similar equivalent or if they would have connected the sound of horses to storms or earthquakes. So I'm just talking out my rear end, basically.
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Baron Porkface posted:Is there some ancient anthropology connection between horses and oceans RE:Poseidon? Oh but of course.
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Baron Porkface posted:Is there some ancient anthropology connection between horses and oceans RE:Poseidon? I would look more at horses and water because you also get a bunch of things like silkies.
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Telsa Cola posted:I would look more at horses and water because you also get a bunch of things like silkies.  ???
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selkie Variants in all sorts of cultures. Selkies are actually seals though; he's thinking of Kelpies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie
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Telsa Cola posted:I would look more at horses and water because you also get a bunch of things like silkies. If you mean selkies, they're from Scottish/Orkney myth, and they're seals who can transform into people by shedding their skin, and the standard Selkie story is guy steals Selkie woman"s skin, trapping her in human form and marrying her, and then later, she gets her skin back, turns into a seal and goes back to the ocean. Greek myth did have the hippocamp, which pulled Poseidon's chariot, and they had the front of a horse and the rear of a fish.
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Baron Porkface posted:Is there some ancient anthropology connection between horses and oceans RE:Poseidon? It is more probable that Poseidon is a syncretic figure of 1) a horse-god associated with the underworld (there was an old Arcadian myth about horse-Poseidon raping horse-Demeter which seems to have an echo in the Eleusinian mystery story of Hades and Persephone) and 2) a Homeric/Hesiodic god whose sphere was that of the waters, as Zeus received the sky and Hades the underearth, and despite the preexistence of other river/sea deities. Why this association originally arose is not clear (to me anyway, though there are water/horse traditions elsewhere in Europe). FishFood posted:Poseidon is also the god of earthquakes and storms, so I wonder if the connection is through that. But I don't know ancient Greek so I'm not sure if "thundering of hooves" has a similar equivalent or if they would have connected the sound of horses to storms or earthquakes. It goes the other way, earthshaking is associated with water by the ancient Greeks more so than with horses (cf the pre-Socratic philosopher Thales trying to demystify earthquakes by opining that the earth rests on a great body of water, which intermittently shakes the earth with its waves).
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Joining the discussion to give another "out of the rear end" perspective. Ships are sometimes equated with horses in poetry because they perform similar roles, and you get such things as horse head prows:
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