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I mean from procurement: yes. The osprey is another fine example of why. “We need a plane that can go really fast like a plane that can also land like a helicopter, but also it needs to be able to fold up to got through a tiny portal on our baby carriers plane lift while simultaneously having a range of 1000 miles.”
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6 people killed in Denmark train crash this morning. From what I hear they were traveling on separate tracks. The freight trains cargo fell sideways from the carriage and hit the passenger train as they were passing each other. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46734728  
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Carbon dioxide posted:A shipment of donuts was lost after a donut truck caught fire. lol
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:6 people killed in Denmark train crash this morning. not lol
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:6 people killed in Denmark train crash this morning. Christ, I knew Carlsberg tasted of poison but I didn’t realise it would actually kill you the next morning.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Nah it still would of sucked, because an air superiority/CAS/long distance interceptor/high altitude bomber that is capable of both catapult launches and svotl and vtol as well as being super stealth with one engine and no weapon pods is a combination of requirements that is literally impossibly stupid to achieve. It wouldn’t of been of been as totally as awful if the navies armies Air Force (the marines) hadn’t added the ridiculous svotl requirement which then meant the designers had to basically compromise every other part of the design to meet it. Good, now the military can know what it was like working with the Space Shuttle.
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Blackchamber posted:The engine out pattern for other aircraft is also to get them down quickly and safely but under normal circumstances they are built the opposite of fighters and can glide pretty far in ideal circumstances depending on altitude.  Still, not 245 knots and a 7000fpm descent.
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Drone_Fragger posted:F35 actually, but the typhoon also suffers from that, just Not quite as bad though because it’s twin engine and hence has enough extra weight allowance that it can actually carry weapons despite the hilarious design bloat and mission creep (designed as an ultra agile interceptor, now being used as a surface to ground bomb truck for bombing foreigners) No, they somehow managed to make the Typhoon a more expensive but not as good aircraft as the F-35. It's an amazingly dumb use of resources. I realize saying the JSF program wasn't quite as bad as the Eurofighter program is like laying a dowel rod on the ground and saying you cleared the bar, but it's utterly insane how expensive the Typhoon is while being decidedly less capable. The F-35 just gets mocked for a lot of false and obsolete things like "no rain" or "fuel too hot," when it's more the program that blew for a wide variety of reasons and not as much the actual developed airframes. The MV-22 is expensive as hell to purchase and operate, but it at least manages to be statistically safer than other military rotary-wing aircraft.
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Can you do my flight sim landing tactic in real life of fly full speed at the runway, when you are over the runway point the plane straight up and turn engine off and drop gear, do a big loop and stall over the runway, land?
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Flannelette posted:Can you do my flight sim landing tactic in real life of fly full speed at the runway, when you are over the runway point the plane straight up and turn engine off and drop gear, do a big loop and stall over the runway, land? Technically, yes, but those sorts of people tend to do things like either die or they're doing that because they professionally fly air shows for a living. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7R7jZmliGc Around 7 minutes is deadstick flyby into barrel roll into landing. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jan 2, 2019 |
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:6 people killed in Denmark train crash this morning. We've had very strong winds and car traffic on the bridge was restricted, but not the trains. It seems like the wind pushed an empty truck trailer on the Deutsche Bahn cargo train down in front of the DSB passenger train. 131 passengers, 6 dead, 14 with minor injuries, 2 with moderate injuries     
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mlmp08 posted:No, they somehow managed to make the Typhoon a more expensive but not as good aircraft as the F-35. It's an amazingly dumb use of resources. I realize saying the JSF program wasn't quite as bad as the Eurofighter program is like laying a dowel rod on the ground and saying you cleared the bar, but it's utterly insane how expensive the Typhoon is while being decidedly less capable. The F-35 just gets mocked for a lot of false and obsolete things like "no rain" or "fuel too hot," when it's more the program that blew for a wide variety of reasons and not as much the actual developed airframes. As mentioned they both suffered from being designed by committees of various branches of various militaries who all had different requirements and expectations and as such rather than being designed by actual military aircraft specialists was designed by a group of generals screaming “Why can’t we save money by making our ultrasonic interceptor also double as our high payload strategic bomber!!” Despite the obvious contradictions bwtween the twenty militaries requirements. And huh, you are right, the typhoon is now somehow more expensive, the f-35 managed to shed its unit price from 350 million per unit down to 100 million ish. Pretty impressive.
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A few pages back, but I was camping down at the the most southerly point of the australian mainland that summer holiday as a kid with the family, we woke up in the morning and the annex on the caravan had collapsed, tents were in trees, there was flooding when the nearby river broke its banks and the sand dunes at the beach were eroded to gently caress, still visible evidence of that erosion today, 20 years later. A lot of people packed up what they could and just went home. The storm happened on the night of the 26th, which is the first day of the summer camping season where you hav to enter a lottery to get a camp site months in advance, people just went home and left wrecked tests and soggy camping gear in place. The beach was crazy though, you couldn't see any clear water, just white wash all the way to the horizon.
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https://twitter.com/9NewsSyd/status/1080398259712069632?s=19
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Budgie posted:Can't imagine why this failed to get any support. apparently the production model would have looked significantly less derpy    I believe it, too -- there were some fairly significant de-derpifying changes between the YF-22 and the production F-22A, such as the position of the cockpit and the size of the vertical stabilizers  
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I don't know if a change from  to  is necessarily an improvement.Although now I kinda wish the stealth fighter had been based on Tacit Blue instead, because I'd love to see someone try to de-derpify this: 
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It's so cute though. Everyone would love America again! I mean even if it destroyed small villages and killed women and children...how could you stay mad at that thing?
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Pleas don’t make fun of my big chunky boi.
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Wait, someone correct me on this if I'm wrong: I was just looking at info about Chernobyl and the disaster took place in 1986 but the plant stayed operational and producing power until 2000? Like people were going into work running reactors 1-3 with reactor 4 completely blown up ~40 meters away  
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SENSUAL DAD KISS posted:Wait, someone correct me on this if I'm wrong: I was just looking at info about Chernobyl and the disaster took place in 1986 but the plant stayed operational and producing power until 2000? Like people were going into work running reactors 1-3 with reactor 4 completely blown up ~40 meters away If i remember correctly it was running at limited power. Same with Fukushima, shutting down the whole plant safely cannot be done in an instant and if you can run reliably the other reactor while keeping the damaged one secure there is no downside to it.
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SENSUAL DAD KISS posted:Wait, someone correct me on this if I'm wrong: I was just looking at info about Chernobyl and the disaster took place in 1986 but the plant stayed operational and producing power until 2000? Like people were going into work running reactors 1-3 with reactor 4 completely blown up ~40 meters away They literally entombed it in concrete which was sufficient to remove the immediate danger to the rest of the plant. The entombing was done hastily and was never meant to be a permanent solution, so it was eventually replaced with a more sound and long-lasting tomb that will allow the site to be gradually cleaned up inside it. Properly decommissioning a nuclear reactor can take decades, you can't just flip the off switch and peace out even if it hasn't been damaged by a major accident.
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Essentially all nuclear plants store some quantity of their own waste products somewhere on-site until it can be accepted for processing. (Sometimes a very large quantity). As long as it's properly shielded and secured, it's not a danger to the rest of the facility. Whether Chernobyl 4 was ever truly properly shielded and secured is left as an exercise for the reader.
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How'd they go to work with all the S.T.A.L.K.E.Rs outside though?
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It blows my mind that there’s a fungus growing inside the old reactor vessel, using gamma rays as the energy source for its photosynthesis-equivalent process. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus
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Just Cause 4 was a documentary
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Icon Of Sin posted:It blows my mind that there’s a fungus growing inside the old reactor vessel, using gamma rays as the energy source for its photosynthesis-equivalent process. Life, uh, finds a way. Makes me almost dead certain we'll find life on any planet that isn't a dried, blasted husk like Mars.
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SENSUAL DAD KISS posted:Wait, someone correct me on this if I'm wrong: I was just looking at info about Chernobyl and the disaster took place in 1986 but the plant stayed operational and producing power until 2000? Like people were going into work running reactors 1-3 with reactor 4 completely blown up ~40 meters away
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Imagined posted:Life, uh, finds a way. Ship's rats and cats, life is everywhere. I'm just as certain that the first "alien" organism we find will be some funky poo poo that got stuck on a boot Earth-side. Too bad Geraldo Rivera won't be there to enjoy it.
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Budgie posted:Can't imagine why this failed to get any support. My first reaction was "oh, someone remade the Komet", which was OSHA as hell, even for Germany in 1944.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:6 people killed in Denmark train crash this morning. probably the best train accident in the world
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i din't know planes could be gay
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Sagebrush posted:apparently the production model would have looked significantly less derpy Perhaps but that's also (IMO) one of the reasons Boeing lost. Lockheed showed up with the X-35 and said "this is pretty much the final design", Boeing showed up with the X-32 and said "yeah turns out we need to redesign half the airplane, here's a render of what it'll look like." Lockheed did the same thing during the ATF program. Weapons tests and high AOA flight testing wasn't required as part of the test program, but Lockheed shows up with a demo reel of the YF-22 firing missiles and doing 60' thrust-vectoring maneuvers, while Northrop didn't plumb their aircraft for weapons or take it past 25' AOA. Also at the same time as the JSF program Boeing was suing the US government over the 1991 cancellation of the McDonnell Douglas A-12 Avenger II (McD merged with Boeing in 1997 and Boeing continued the lawsuits until 2014) because in the entirely reasonable words of Dick Cheney: quote:The A-12 I did terminate. It was not an easy decision to make because it's an important requirement that we're trying to fulfill. But no one could tell me how much the program was going to cost, even just through the full scale development phase, or when it would be available. And data that had been presented at one point a few months ago turned out to be invalid and inaccurate. It probably didn't have much of a impact on the JSF choice, but when you sum up the aggregate of everything you know in 2001, you're left with "The company that has a prototype that works and has already been successful in the previous stealth fighter competition" versus "The company that needs to redesign their less capable aircraft and is also currently involved in a lawsuit over their previous airplane being canceled for budget tomfoolery."
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I'm not sure if this is a derail I'm contributing to but the whole philosophy of US procurement post-WW2 seems to run exactly contrary to the lessons of that war: decent and mass producible beats sophisticated and precious. Is this because we've moved to an all volunteer army, where force multiplication of small units is more important than sheer numbers? Is it just graft and pork? Is it that our wars are unpopular and thus place more priority on low American casualties than effectiveness in a WW3 scenario? Because to me I'd rather spend a billion on two hundred 5 million dollar c+ planes than spend a billion on ten 100 million dollar a+ planes.
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uhm how else can we spend more than the rest of the world combined on defense there smartypantsquote:Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. […] Is there no other way the world may live?
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In what world is the average brick school worth more than two fully equipped hospitals?
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:In what world is the average brick school worth more than two fully equipped hospitals? In the world where he says that the cost of brick schools in 30 cities is the same as two hospitals?
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