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Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

You dont get to decide what people dont like or are allowed to be disgruntled about.

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Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

I do though. You all like egg sandwhiches now, and hate nihilism

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

Darth Walrus posted:

The colours make them look like they're CG, and not particularly good CG at that. Staff doesn't look super impressive, either. Not that I was super hyped for this show in the first place - information I've been able to find makes it look like yet another of those grimdark magical girl shows that mistakes edge for depth. Military magical girls are a cool concept, but I haven't seen many shows deliver all that well on it outside of Nanoha (and that series is far from perfect). Maybe just get some of the Gundam scriptwriters who are less weird about women on it and see what they come up with? Mari Okada already went some of the way there with Hisone and Masotan, and that was neat.

one of the writers is literally a military advisor

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Davincie posted:

one of the writers is literally a military advisor

That doesn't mean they know how to make a fun show that's well blended with the magical girl elements out of it, though. See also, GATE.

Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jan 2, 2019

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

Mulderman posted:

So question for the people rejecting Shield Hero.

Is that based on the web/light novel or manga?
I read the manga myself and other than the unlikable protagonist. It's just a bland by the numbers Isekai series. Not worth getting worked up over.



Mulderman posted:

Goblin Slayer was a fine show.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Darth Walrus posted:

The colours make them look like they're CG, and not particularly good CG at that. Staff doesn't look super impressive, either. Not that I was super hyped for this show in the first place - information I've been able to find makes it look like yet another of those grimdark magical girl shows that mistakes edge for depth. Military magical girls are a cool concept, but I haven't seen many shows deliver all that well on it outside of Nanoha (and that series is far from perfect). Maybe just get some of the Gundam scriptwriters who are less weird about women on it and see what they come up with? Mari Okada already went some of the way there with Hisone and Masotan, and that was neat.

it's mean spirited ultraviolence, and since it is mostly magical girls that means the ultraviolence is heavily focused on women. i checked what else this guy has written, and immediately found this. that really tells you all you need to know, i think.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Mulderman posted:

So question for the people rejecting Shield Hero.

Is that based on the web/light novel or manga?
I read the manga myself and other than the unlikable protagonist. It's just a bland by the numbers Isekai series. Not worth getting worked up over.
how far into the manga did you read because it seems like a lot of the objectionable stuff only happens later

Mulderman
Mar 20, 2009

Did someone say axe magnet?
Stopped after the first wave attack thing. Mainly because I got bored, didn't like the main character and the supporting cast with the sole exception of the weapon salesman.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Mulderman posted:

So question for the people rejecting Shield Hero.

Is that based on the web/light novel or manga?
I read the manga myself and other than the unlikable protagonist. It's just a bland by the numbers Isekai series. Not worth getting worked up over.

https://i.imgur.com/FOwZ77O.gifv

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



Sharkopath posted:

I do though. You all like egg sandwhiches now, and hate nihilism

Egg sandwiches aren't real and nor is anything else. :colbert:

Mulderman
Mar 20, 2009

Did someone say axe magnet?
I can do without the meme posting please. Unless that's the sort of posting Shield Hero triggers, in which case, please forget I even asked anything.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

it's mean spirited ultraviolence, and since it is mostly magical girls that means the ultraviolence is heavily focused on women.

Are we talking Magical Girl Raising Project levels of mean-spirited ultraviolence, or full-blown Magical Girl Site levels of sadism? Because I'm up for the former but not the latter.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

it's mean spirited ultraviolence, and since it is mostly magical girls that means the ultraviolence is heavily focused on women. i checked what else this guy has written, and immediately found this. that really tells you all you need to know, i think.

it gets worse. get this: he wrote the anime adaptations of multiple yuru yuri seasons

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Davincie posted:

it gets worse. get this: he wrote the anime adaptations of multiple yuru yuri seasons

history's greatest monster

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Mulderman posted:

I can do without the meme posting please. Unless that's the sort of posting Shield Hero triggers, in which case, please forget I even asked anything.
well, theres a scene later on where the heroes change a female villain's name to 'bitch slut whore' and sentence her to get raped to death by jabba the hutt, which happens in the manga also, so

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

it's mean spirited ultraviolence, and since it is mostly magical girls that means the ultraviolence is heavily focused on women. i checked what else this guy has written, and immediately found this. that really tells you all you need to know, i think.
going by that premise hes mostly interested in women doing ultraviolence to men so #slay

LibrarianCroaker
Mar 30, 2010

Silver2195 posted:

Are we talking Magical Girl Raising Project levels of mean-spirited ultraviolence, or full-blown Magical Girl Site levels of sadism? Because I'm up for the former but not the latter.

More magrap than magsite. This is from chapter one. You can tell where it's going.


StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
Wow rude

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
there is one myanimelist review for that torture yuri ecchi manga he wrote and it's someone being absolutely and totally mystified by the concept of a transgender woman

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

Tsurune still has 3 eps left thanks to its broadcast being pushed off-schedule by a couple of weeks, and the last two have actually been pretty good after slowly losing my interest over the course of 6 eps or so. Minato and Seiya are really good, and I wish their dynamic had gotten like half of the screentime the past few eps had spent on Kaito.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
anyway i hate the vast majority of dark magical girl shows in that style and i'm tired of seeing a new one pop up every other season so i'm not going to watch this one either

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

weird

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

The Colonel posted:

anyway i hate the vast majority of dark magical girl shows in that style and i'm tired of seeing a new one pop up every other season so i'm not going to watch this one either

They are mostly terrible (I subjectively enjoyed MGRP, but I don't think it's actually good), but so are most of the happier seinen magical girl shows. Aside from Madoka, I think basically all the good magical girl shows are shoujo.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

can you not. my head's in a weird space lately and little things like this kind of get to me

Silver2195 posted:

They are mostly terrible (I subjectively enjoyed MGRP, but I don't think it's actually good), but so are most of the happier seinen magical girl shows. Aside from Madoka, I think basically all the good magical girl shows are shoujo.

yes, and those ones are actually good

e; actually i don't know which specific categories flip flappers or symphogear fall into but those are good too and aren't trying to be dark subversions of a genre i like that don't understand why i like that genre

The Colonel fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 2, 2019

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

The Colonel posted:

can you not. my head's in a weird space lately and little things like this kind of get to me


yes, and those ones are actually good

e; actually i don't know which specific categories flip flappers or symphogear fall into but those are good too and aren't trying to be dark subversions of a genre i like that don't understand why i like that genre

Oh yeah, not sure how I forgot Flip Flappers. It's a genuinely good show, although even in Flip Flappers the seinen thirstiness gets a bit uncomfortable at times.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 2, 2019

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

Madoka is good because, unlike pretty much every other dark magical girl show since, it's not edgy for the sake of being edgy. The traumas the various characters suffer are (for the most part—there are valid criticisms of even PMMM) purposeful and contribute to their ultimate arcs. Notably, things end fairly well for everyone involved, at least in the TV canon, because unlike in Mahou Shoujo Site or Magical Girl Raising Project, watching the cast suffer is not the point of the show.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

tl;dr Madoka is better than other mahou shoujo seinen because it manages not to be torture porn

Silver2195 posted:

Oh yeah, not sure how I forgot Flip Flappers. It's a genuinely good show, although even in Flip Flappers the seinen thirstiness gets a bit uncomfortable at times.
Flip Flappers is uncomfortably thirsty, but that's a problem separate from and lesser to the typical mahou shoujo seinen problem of "being torture porn"

Elephant Parade fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 2, 2019

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
the mecha episode of flip flappers goes pretty overboard on rear end shots but otoh sexuality is an actual theme of the show and the characters and it literally wouldn't be the same story without some of it, like the entire episode centering around cocona's thoughts and feelings about papika

like idc if a show gets dark or a bit weird but when the only notes i'm getting about a magical girl show are "their parents were brutally dismembered" or "a lesbian hangs herself and then they zoom out to show that also she pissed herself after dying" then, well, uh, hm

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Mulderman posted:

So question for the people rejecting Shield Hero.

Is that based on the web/light novel or manga?
I read the manga myself and other than the unlikable protagonist. It's just a bland by the numbers Isekai series. Not worth getting worked up over.

Apparently the LN which I'll just quite a friend of mine from another forum.

Him: I enjoy the manga and would watch this if I ever bothered to watch anime, but the LN's writing is garbage. The prose is just absolute poo poo. It's written with the voice of some edgelord fuckup but has the vocabulary and sentence structure of a young kid's book. If I had tried the LN before the manga I NEVER would have tried the manga, it really is that bad.

Me: I've heard a LOT of things about the series. Very few of them make me want to pick it up in any major capacity. Like stuff that was written by a massive edgelord with lots of women problems that was bullied by the popular kids.

Him: That's not an inaccurate description of parts of the series. And I don't like those parts, but there's enough other stuff I like that I can put that aside.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

doomrider7 posted:

It's written with the voice of some edgelord fuckup but has the vocabulary and sentence structure of a young kid's book.

This is depressingly common for LNs, and especially WNs.

doomrider7
Nov 29, 2018

Silver2195 posted:

This is depressingly common for LNs, and especially WNs.

This is depressing as gently caress to hear since I've found some really good stuff like Konosuba, Slime, Accomplishments of a Duke's Daughter, Bakarina, Undead Adventurer, Maou Moayuu Yuusha(100% know I hosed up the spelling), and Tsuyokute New Saga which are legitimately good to great reads.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

doomrider7 posted:

This is depressing as gently caress to hear since I've found some really good stuff like Konosuba, Slime, Accomplishments of a Duke's Daughter, Bakarina, Undead Adventurer, Maou Moayuu Yuusha(100% know I hosed up the spelling), and Tsuyokute New Saga which are legitimately good to great reads.

To be clear, good LNs and even WNs exist, even beyond the ones you mention. But the low barriers to writing them ensure that there's a lot of bad ones.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Web Novels are basically fanfiction-tier writing, in that it's a way for amateur writers to get some experience and/or feedback for their first story. There isn't much in the way of an editing process, you just get someone's raw ideas and feelings. And much like fanfiction, turns out a lot of readers don't really care about things like "good writing" as long as the content is something they're interested in.

Thuryl
Mar 14, 2007

My postillion has been struck by lightning.

The Colonel posted:

the mecha episode of flip flappers goes pretty overboard on rear end shots but otoh sexuality is an actual theme of the show and the characters and it literally wouldn't be the same story without some of it, like the entire episode centering around cocona's thoughts and feelings about papika

I do feel like you could have cut every joke involving the pervy robot from the entire series and not lost much of value, though

or at least cut the tickling scene from episode 1 because geez was that ever not the best first impression

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Davincie posted:

it gets worse. get this: he wrote the anime adaptations of multiple yuru yuri seasons

well, why aren't we getting season 5 instead of whatever the gently caress this is

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

cause they havent made season 4 yet

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Aren't they doing an OVA for the tenth anniversary of Yuru Yuri?

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

they quite shamelessly crowdfunded a new ova very recently

Captain Cappy
Aug 7, 2008

They confirmed via twitter that the OVA will cement Yui x Ayano as the one true ship.

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Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Yui x Ayano? Not Chitose x Ayano? I'm outraged!

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