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El_Elegante posted:The 1950s, when there was far fewer medical equipment, fewer medical specialties, fewer drugs to stock. Nope quote:The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals The relevant part is bolded for the hard-of-thinking and the new page
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tonberrytoby posted:The most OSHA thing about this is that the plant and the area immediately around it was cleaned up sufficiently that the workers were more irradiated during the bus ride to the plant then during their work shifts. Technically that's any properly run nuclear power plant.
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Jan 3, 2019 00:59
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it was Eisenhower doing the quote by the way. 717 billion for 2019 though is a lot.
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Here's a nice primer on the history and evolutionary of us military procurement if anyone wants to read more: http://www.iceaaonline.com/ready/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/PS09-Paper-Lofgren-History-of-Thought-in-Defense-Acquisitions.pdf
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Memento posted:In the world where he says that the cost of brick schools in 30 cities is the same as two hospitals? Doh. I thought they meant a decently equipped school, in one of 30 good cities. Cause like... the other 10,000 cities have really poo poo schools made of straw and 1950's textbooks.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Here's a nice primer on the history and evolutionary of us military procurement if anyone wants to read more: thanks pal i always like long reads on stuff
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Here's a nice primer on the history and evolutionary of us military procurement if anyone wants to read more: Was expecting a link to The Pentagon Wars
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Sagebrush posted:apparently the production model would have looked significantly less derpy This is probably on purpose but this looks like a modernized F-86 Sabre to me. Maybe they should have rolled with that and called it the F-32 Sabre II.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Doh. I thought they meant a decently equipped school, in one of 30 good cities. Cause like... the other 10,000 cities have really poo poo schools made of straw and 1950's textbooks. Yeah it's that slightly odd 1950s formal cadence to speaking where the meaning can get slightly obscured.
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Imagined posted:I'm not sure if this is a derail I'm contributing to but the whole philosophy of US procurement post-WW2 seems to run exactly contrary to the lessons of that war: decent and mass producible beats sophisticated and precious. Is this because we've moved to an all volunteer army, where force multiplication of small units is more important than sheer numbers? Is it just graft and pork? Is it that our wars are unpopular and thus place more priority on low American casualties than effectiveness in a WW3 scenario? Because cheaping out on military hardware tends to mean your servicemen are going to be getting killed by avoidable things, like how a bunch of Canadians got blown up in Afghanistan by IEDs because their government decided to use unarmored Volkswagens because it'd be cheaper than buying armored vehicles, and then replaced it with a Mercedes that now has some armor but no mine protection. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/us-warned-canadians-not-to-use-flimsy-jeeps/article1166951/ quote:The unarmoured Iltis jeep carrying two Canadian soldiers killed in an explosion in Kabul was deemed inadequate for patrolling outside military bases in Afghanistan by a top U.S. commander more than a year ago. Or for a historic example, in the lead up to the War of 1812 the US government largely disbanded the US Navy because Thomas Jefferson's faction was terrified of the Federalists sending the ships to blockade rebellious states and make them pay taxes, and also because maintaining a navy was expensive. The idea they hit on was to replace the frigates the US had with a "naval militia" of small gunboats that would be cheap and wouldn't be under the control of the federal government. In actuality when the War of 1812 happened these gunboats turned out to be totally useless. They were cramped, could only sail in the calmest conditions, would sink if hit by a single cannonball, and real ships could easily run circles around them. And importantly, they weren't actually cheap and the eventual cost could have paid for a squadron of regular ships of the line that could have actually done stuff in the war.
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Imagined posted:I'm not sure if this is a derail I'm contributing to but the whole philosophy of US procurement post-WW2 seems to run exactly contrary to the lessons of that war: decent and mass producible beats sophisticated and precious. Is this because we've moved to an all volunteer army, where force multiplication of small units is more important than sheer numbers? Is it just graft and pork? Is it that our wars are unpopular and thus place more priority on low American casualties than effectiveness in a WW3 scenario? Short answer: First it was because the whole Soviet Union did the "decent and mass producible" thing really well, so the only way to credibly compete with it was making better stuff. Second, we moved to a political environment where the sorts of casualties "decent and mass producible" lead to became totally unacceptable.
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Memento posted:Nope Okay but what do bricks need schools for
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sneakyfrog posted:maybe we should just avoid avoidable war That's quitter talk right there.
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but i dont want lead poisoning have you even met a boomer?
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wasn't there a version of the x-32 with a bigass shaft driven fan pointing straight down for stovl planned? that would be cool
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BgRdMchne posted:wasn't there a version of the x-32 with a bigass shaft driven fan pointing straight down for stovl planned?
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the whole clittoral ship boondoggle is pretty choice as well
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sneakyfrog posted:the whole clittoral ship boondoggle is pretty choice as well idk sounds like a pretty good idea for a stealth ship as most guys couldn't find it
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sneakyfrog posted:the whole clittoral ship boondoggle is pretty choice as well This gives me the weirdest google image results, and surprisingly they're all worksafe.
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chitoryu12 posted:Remember how Backyard Scientist discovered during a video on power tool safety that he could turn a table saw into a lethal cannon? Gonna out myself but when I heard "table saw cannon" I immediately remembered the Grinder from Red Faction Guerilla, where you play a Martian miner who leads a socialist revolution against a corporate military using scrap and salvaged weapons. In this case, the Grinder fires grinding disks and rotary saw blades. If you upgrade it enough, they explode on impact. Otherwise, the blades stay jutting out of corpses and can be retrieved and used again. There's also multiple game modes where you obliterate buildings with giant mechs. The whole game is extremely OSHA in the best way and profoundly satisfying to a frankly troubling degree. Like there's moments in game where you're clearly supposed to sneak in and neutralize targets carefully but it's almost always quicker/safer to cover a dump truck with explosive charges and ram it through the propane tank at the rear of the prison. Haha, weird how typing this whole post out made the game magically reinstall itself on Steam.
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... how did that out yourself?
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Because tryhard caring about an, at this point, 10 year old videogame, is way less cool than being a train driving iron forging truckfuckling badass like most of the posters itt edit- uhhh actually i mean hello my foremen and forewomen and forepeople, how is the laboring today? ah, arduous and physical as always? perfect. i love to exert myself, via my muscles, which are developed for this sort of thing.
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What the gently caress
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This is the weirdest loving meltdown
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Powershift posted:This is the weirdest loving meltdown No this is the weirdest meltdown. I'm just making some jokes, y'all.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:a train driving iron forging truckfuckling badass  this is poetry
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Queen Combat posted:This gives me the weirdest google image results, and surprisingly they're all worksafe. 
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C.M. Kruger posted:In actuality when the War of 1812 happened these gunboats turned out to be totally useless. They were cramped, could only sail in the calmest conditions, would sink if hit by a single cannonball, and real ships could easily run circles around them. And importantly, they weren't actually cheap and the eventual cost could have paid for a squadron of regular ships of the line that could have actually done stuff in the war. Quoting your post from the Historical Fun Fact thread: quote:The gunboats were never popular with the Federalists, who regarded them as poor substitutes for frigates and ships of the line. On September 8, 1804, during a “dreadful Storm,” the first American-built gunboat was driven from her moorings off Whitemarsh Island, Georgia, and landed high and dry in a corn field. She lay there, stranded, for almost two months. The Federalist newspaper Connecticut Courant gleefully commented that the gunboat might, if left in the field, “grow into a ship of the line by the time we go to war with Spain. Should this new experiment in agriculture succeed, we may expect to see the rice-swamps of Carolina and the tobacco fields of Virginia turned by our philosophical Government into dry-docks and gunboat gardens.”
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:... how did that out yourself? used the word grinder, mistaking it for gay hookup app grindr, and outed themselves as straight.
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https://i.imgur.com/MXxSSxh.mp4 audio here: https://imgur.com/gallery/Sk3Mitj
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Holy shiiiiiiit piss
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Queen Combat posted:This gives me the weirdest google image results, and surprisingly they're all worksafe. Littoral Combat Ships were a Navy project to produce a new line of ships for coastal operations. It went pretty badly, to the point that the first one started dissolving the moment it touched the ocean because a crucial anti-dissolving component had been deleted from the spec as a cost-saving measure. Also that video game is awesome.
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haveblue posted:Littoral Combat Ships were a Navy project to produce a new line of ships for coastal operations. It went pretty badly, to the point that the first one started dissolving the moment it touched the ocean because a crucial anti-dissolving component had been deleted from the spec as a cost-saving measure. My one regret is not
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Today I was crawling around the crawlspace of an old cathedral where the person letting me in told me about all the people that got locked in or stuck in there. The air felt a little bad in that confined space. To shake that off I went up into a huge arched attic space where I needed to go up multiple 2-3 story ships-ladders and walk on steep plywood ramps my flat-soled dress work shoes could not grip. I declined the offer to scramble around on the various roofs of this massive cathedral with zero safety precautions.
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