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Chilichimp posted:And Klingons are a noble savage trope played mostly by white people in blackface. gently caress I’ve never thought of it this way now I’m reconsidering all my positive memories of TNG. 
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Deptfordx posted:It basically turns into an actiony Star Trek as it goes on, especially in the Atlantis spin-off. It's undemanding fun. And then it pivots into Battlestar Galactica territory with Stargate: Universe and then SyFy went and cancelled it just as it was actually becoming a good show because they were in the process of wholesale killing all the science fiction television shows on their science fiction channel to make room for wrestling and ghost hunter shows and shows with quirky vaguely-sci-fi premisses that didn’t last even singular seasons because they permanently alienated their core audience demographic. Whoops. But yes, Atlantis is cool and good and fun and is the reason the world now gets to enjoy Jason Momoa as badass Samoan Aquaman. And for that, we thank it.
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Lightning Knight posted:gently caress I’ve never thought of it this way now I’m reconsidering all my positive memories of TNG. Ehhhh it's a bit more complicated than that, but since this isnt the Trek thread, I dont feel like eating 6ers 2 days in a row for off topic
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Lightning Knight posted:gently caress I’ve never thought of it this way now I’m reconsidering all my positive memories of TNG. Wasn't the blackface thing a mostly TOS bit? It's great to see this and I hope this trend expands further via the continued shrinking of the right.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Ehhhh it's a bit more complicated than that, but since this isnt the Trek thread, I dont feel like eating 6ers 2 days in a row for off topic True, I see we’re already doing the sci-fi derail. Lol Ezra Klein is such poo poo. https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonnyc/status/1080631166137438208?s=21
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Jan 3, 2019 15:31
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Chilichimp posted:And Klingons are a noble savage trope played mostly by white people in blackface. Original series or next generation? I feel like most Klingons I saw in TNG were POC. Worf was played by a black man. EDIT One more: not sure how "noble savage" they are. They were played mostly as an allegory for Russians a lot of the time and Star Trek VI is an outright copy of Chernobyl and Glasnost and the end of the Cold War. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Taerkar posted:Wasn't the blackface thing a mostly TOS bit? It rolled over into TNG and DS9 too. The actors who played Gowron and Martok, basically the two most-present non-Worf Klingons were both surprisingly white as poo poo out of makeup. Both are cool people and great actors, but yeah that was technically blackface with an asterisk the size of Neptune on it. In slightly on-topic minutia though, JG Hertzler, the actor who played Martok ran for congress last year as a Democract looking to unseat a really lovely Republican incumbent, but unfortunately lost his bid. Alas, Representative Chancellor Martok proved a dream too far...
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Lightning Knight posted:gently caress I’ve never thought of it this way now I’m reconsidering all my positive memories of TNG. I've actually given this some serious thought recently and I don't think it's particularly bad, though I'm not really the person to decide whether it is, and I could be wrong. To call them "noble savages" is a stretch, they're really more of a warrior race, which absolutely could still turn out pretty bad, but they really aren't coded African at all. They're much more an amalgam of various warrior tropes drawing from Mongolian (especially in the original series), samurai, and Viking stuff, with a little bit of Russian flavor mixed in for whatever reason (probably just to make the war allegories that were relevant at the time). And they're usually depicted as having a pretty complicated political culture, with only certain True Believers really going for the "rarrrrr my honor" thing. Also the one with the most screentime by far actually is played by a POC, so that helps too. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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I think Viking Samurai is a pretty fair summary.
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Jan 3, 2019 15:37
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VH4Ever posted:Original series or next generation? I feel like most Klingons I saw in TNG were POC. Worf was played by a black man. Michael Dorn must be made of money after doing as much Trek as he has, and he's always seemed like a cool guy. He had some of the most savage Twitter burns back during all the gamergate nonsense. I really hope we don't learn anything terrible about him, like he reads Ayn Rand for fun, or he's a sexmonster, or he's considering a run for Congress.
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nine-gear crow posted:In slightly on-topic minutia though, JG Hertzler, the actor who played Martok ran for congress last year as a Democract looking to unseat a really lovely Republican incumbent, but unfortunately lost his bid. Alas, Representative Chancellor Martok proved a dream too far...
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Bicyclops posted:Michael Dorn must be made of money after doing as much Trek as he has, and he's always seemed like a cool guy. He had some of the most savage Twitter burns back during all the gamergate nonsense. I really hope we don't learn anything terrible about him, like he reads Ayn Rand for fun, or he's a sexmonster, or he's considering a run for Congress. Michael Dorn just really really really really loving wants to play Worf again in any capacity, and that’s about the only thing I know about him outside of Trek. Dude has been lobbying for years to get a post-DS9 Worf-centric show on the air and has been stymied at every turn because Les Moonves absolutely reviled; in descending order: Star Trek, women, and black people; before he was ousted for being TV’s Harvey Weinstien.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Ehhhh it's a bit more complicated than that, but since this isnt the Trek thread, I dont feel like eating 6ers 2 days in a row for off topic I can't wait for the swearing in today, maybe some actual politics will start happening.
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lemonadesweetheart posted:Stargate? Really? The main 'off' things I remember from SG-1 was the extremely shaky first season, and learning that Parker Lewis became a Scientologist. Tupperwarez fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 15:43
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Now if you REALLY wanna see some uncomfortable makeup / cultural appropriation in Trek... 
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Sir Lemming posted:Now if you REALLY wanna see some uncomfortable makeup / cultural appropriation in Trek... I dunno about the first pic, but it looks like Kirk’s about to learn how to do Fus-Ro-Dah in the second one  E: Oh, and Bill Shatner? Also hella racist and has been since the 80s.
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Bicyclops posted:Michael Dorn must be made of money after doing as much Trek as he has, and he's always seemed like a cool guy. He had some of the most savage Twitter burns back during all the gamergate nonsense. I really hope we don't learn anything terrible about him, like he reads Ayn Rand for fun, or he's a sexmonster, or he's considering a run for Congress. Yeah agreed. Michael Dorn is cool and good and I'm glad he was added to the DS9 cast because he got to actually act and be a lot more interesting as a character on that show, way more than he did with 7 years of TNG. What I like about him is by all accounts he's super cool to fans and has the right amount of a sense of humor to be a guy like he is, famous for life for one role he played 20 years ago. His cameo in Ted 2 with Patrick Warburton was loving hilarious too.
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FlamingLiberal posted:His mistake was not challenging his opponent to a fight to the death 
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Shatner did play the Dad in poo poo my Dad Says, which at the time was seen as s cultural low for being a tv show based on a twitter account.
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Sir Lemming posted:I've actually given this some serious thought recently and I don't think it's particularly bad, though I'm not really the person to decide whether it is, and I could be wrong. To call them "noble savages" is a stretch, they're really more of a warrior race, which absolutely could still turn out pretty bad, but they really aren't coded African at all. They're much more an amalgam of various warrior tropes drawing from Mongolian (especially in the original series), samurai, and Viking stuff, with a little bit of Russian flavor mixed in for whatever reason. Also the one with the most screentime by far actually is played by a POC, so that helps too. I actually feel like they didn't go TOO far into the warrior race stuff until DS9. Like they're a warrior race in TNG but in the TOS movies and TNG they still, like, used guns and had political machinations and stuff. DS9 is amazing and has awesome Klingon episodes but it also leaned a lot further into that all honor all the time duels only kind of mindset for them. When you watch TNG, Worf comes off almost like the equivalent of I don't know, like a paladin or particularly zealous samurai even among other Klingons. But in DS9 they got folks fighting over the sword of Kahless to unite everyone/rule the galaxy and Tony Todd's weird maudlin last episode that to me went way more into into one note warrior race territory despite how it ended and to become emperor you call out and duel the current emperor and and oh hey you killed someone time to literally go to the throne room of the Klingon empire and duel for your innocence and stuff like that. In comparison remember in TNG how byzantine the rites of succession were and how Worf has to justify his killing that guy who murdered his girlfriend as a personal act of vengeance he was technically entitled to under their laws but his fellow Klingons took it as an example of convenient political maneuvering.
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nine-gear crow posted:I dunno about the first pic, but it looks like Kirk’s about to learn how to do Fus-Ro-Dah in the second one He's about to do some snoo snoo in the first one. EDIT: Trump is brain damaged and the Republican party commits treason on a daily basis.
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drat, now I picture him staring down Republican reps with that Martok "I'm listening but I could gut you like a fish" stare. To vaguely keep it on politics and culture chat, I quite like Worf's character arc. He starts out as this almost 2D stereotype of Klingon culture and as they peel back the layers it becomes clear that Worf is actually really conservative by Klingon standards and he clings to Klingon culture as a reaction to growing up raised by humans. It does a great job of humanizing (  ) a more chudly individual.
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...and what are the achievements of this alleged “Trump”, if that’s what he’s even called.
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You shut down the government. You claimed responsibility--multiple times!--on video. You are refusing to reopen it unless you get your giant monument to racism. You told Chuck Schumer to his face that to do otherwise would make you "look foolish". You own this shutdown, Donny. Sorry.
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"You don't join the army to get rich" ~said of greatest tool of upward mobility in America.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1080839254656405504 Trade wars are cool and easy to win.
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Your Taint posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1080839254656405504 He’s digging in hard. I mean, I know he’s a giant loving coward and all but he’s making all his typical bluster that signals he’s going to ignore or veto the pending House clean CR.
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Retro42 posted:He’s digging in hard. I mean, I know he’s a giant loving coward and all but he’s making all his typical bluster that signals he’s going to ignore or veto the pending House clean CR. Didn't McConnell said he isn't going to bring it up for a vote?
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Lightning Knight posted:True, I see we’re already doing the sci-fi derail. I wish Adam H Johnson hadn't blocked me for calling him out when he defended Maduro and the slow collapse of Venezuela. He was a pro follow 
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I love the phrase "presidential harassment," as if no other president has ever faced any sort of criticism. Not only are you an incompetent, selfish, lying rear end in a top hat, you are the most public figure on the entire planet. Fritz Coldcockin posted:You shut down the government. You claimed responsibility--multiple times!--on video. You are refusing to reopen it unless you get your giant monument to racism. You told Chuck Schumer to his face that to do otherwise would make you "look foolish". There's video of him saying "if you don't give me my wall, I'm goona shut the government down!" in the oval office. That reality-tv argument with Pelosi and Schumer. E- Duh, I'm just repeating what you wrote. I need more tea. 
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Excellent framing with the lamps behind them looking like dunce caps.
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Your Taint posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1080839254656405504 DOW is off 450...again
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mcmagic posted:Didn't McConnell said he isn't going to bring it up for a vote? Yeah, and in spite of what a soulless demon he is, I feel like his apparent solidarity with Trump is actually him giving Trump more rope with which to yang himself. No one is blaming the GOP for the shutdown because Trump keeps blowing up deals and claiming credit for it, so it looks like Turtle is prepping to set up Trump to both take the blame for an extended shutdown OR folding on wall funding, so his chud base can’t point to a veto override as treason against their master.
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KickerOfMice posted:I love the phrase "presidential harassment," as if no other president has ever faced any sort of criticism. Not only are you an incompetent, selfish, lying rear end in a top hat, you are the most public figure on the entire planet. Sir! Sir, if you’ll permit me, sir, how dare you, sir!
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Apple is saying they're going to miss their sales forecasts, specifically citing tension with China as one of the reasons, and Big Wet Boy is taking a victory lap on twitter. reality owns
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Comedy option would be McConnell not holding a vote and Trump attacking him for it because he can’t control himself ever.
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Like I said: trade wars are good and easy to win. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1080845553829888000
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