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Lucas deliberately tried to make the old Droids cartoon in the style of Moebius' Airtight Garage, so more eurocomics influence in Star Wars is always good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riIOiNq0RHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CBrGbpC6UQ
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Jan 3, 2019 05:50
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General Dog posted:Do we ever hear Keira Knightley's voice in Episode 1? Necessarily so, as there are scenes where both Padme and Sabé speak.
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Jan 3, 2019 05:51
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It would have been a way better Empire-style twist if Rey had joined Kylo. It even would have had a basis since she wanted a sense of belonging so badly and was developing that relationship with him and as far as she knew the Resistance was dead and Luke was a disillusioned fraud. It even would have silenced the critique of her as too perfect because then all the perfection up until that point could have been seen as ironic or a red herring. In fact it's almost like the whole movie was building to that.
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Jan 3, 2019 05:55
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I had no idea what she was going to do in the theater and yeah That was good tension.
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Jan 3, 2019 05:57
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MonsieurChoc posted:Lucas deliberately tried to make the old Droids cartoon in the style of Moebius' Airtight Garage, so more eurocomics influence in Star Wars is always good. unfortunately not as good a mobeius tribute as the panzer dragoon series, but what are you gonna do
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Jan 3, 2019 06:44
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McCloud posted:So here's a question: Lucas obviously had a heavy hand in the clone wars animated cartoons, right? It's almost as if this franchise is a giant mess.
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Jewel Repetition posted:It would have been a way better Empire-style twist if Rey had joined Kylo. It even would have had a basis since she wanted a sense of belonging so badly and was developing that relationship with him and as far as she knew the Resistance was dead and Luke was a disillusioned fraud. It even would have silenced the critique of her as too perfect because then all the perfection up until that point could have been seen as ironic or a red herring. In fact it's almost like the whole movie was building to that. Her joining Kylo would have been seen as antifeminist and unwoke, though.
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Jan 3, 2019 06:59
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Zas posted:unfortunately not as good a mobeius tribute as the panzer dragoon series, but what are you gonna do True, but I give points for effort. Man, I wish we had some legit crazyness and imagination in the new movies.
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Jan 3, 2019 07:23
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MonsieurChoc posted:True, but I give points for effort. Who are you to doubt Death Star Battering Ram Cannon?
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Jan 3, 2019 08:28
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I like the idea that the death star is being thrown into everything like ATOMS were in the 50s. Look out, it's a death star toothbrush!
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Jan 3, 2019 08:52
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I noticed there was another discussion about whether the prequels were actually good or not and no one i think mentioned how creative and good and actually original the designs are! and that to me is the most important part of star wars. and yeah the disney movies are kinda mostly a fail there...
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Jan 3, 2019 10:10
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General Dog posted:Do we ever hear Keira Knightley's voice in Episode 1? I think she has at least one line, where Portman mentions how dangerous their mission will be and Knightley says, "We are brave, your highness."
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Jan 3, 2019 11:00
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think she has at least one line, where Portman mentions how dangerous their mission will be and Knightley says, "We are brave, your highness." Other way around, no? I always thought Knightley acted as the queen there and that was Padme's way of telling her to go ahead.
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Grendels Dad posted:Other way around, no? I always thought Knightley acted as the queen there and that was Padme's way of telling her to go ahead. I can't remember. Either way, that's the long and short of it. Likewise, Dormé (the double who is killed by the bomb at the start of AOTC) was one of Rose Byrne's first roles in Hollywood, which I only learned recently. Same with Joel Edgerton in that movie. I remember I had stuff like the Scholastic novelisation of TPM for children and the Star Wars Episode I Adventure Journal and stuff like that and there seemed to be a lot of confusion about whether Padme was her real name. I distinctly recall one of them saying something like "'Padme' was not a real person; she was an identity that Amidala had invented for when she needed to disguise herself as one of her own handmaidens." There was a lot of stuff like that; it seems that there was some miscommunication involved between the various writers.
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Jan 3, 2019 11:55
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Bongo Bill posted:Necessarily so, as there are scenes where both Padme and Sabé speak. Portman dubbed both her own and Keira Knightley's lines as the Queen in post-production so that they would match and better hide the twist. Portman's voice was also artificially pitch-shifted (in early trailers you can hear her speaking in her normal voice as the Queen). Wheat Loaf posted:I think she has at least one line, where Portman mentions how dangerous their mission will be and Knightley says, "We are brave, your highness." That was Padme. The only time we see Sabe as a handmaiden is in the background during the end celebration. She's next to Obi-Wan:   Interestingly, the intention may originally have been that "Padme" was only an alias while "Amidala" was the character's true name, which would explain why no one would grow suspicious at a handmaiden with the Queen's first name suddenly popping up from out of nowhere (I have memories of reading official material as a kid around the time the film came out that stated this explicitly). But presumably it was decided that "Padme" was a more fitting name for the character and so it was carried over as her real name for subsequent films, with "Amidala" as a regnal name. In a universe where fugitive Obi-Wan Kenobi decides to hide out on Tatooine under the clever alias of "Ben Kenobi," I think we can let it slide. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 12:29
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Cnut the Great posted:Portman dubbed both her own and Keira Knightley's lines as the Queen in post-production so that they would match and better hide the twist. Honestly, it's weird to think that it was a twist.
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Jan 3, 2019 12:32
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Wheat Loaf posted:Honestly, it's weird to think that it was a twist. Publicity materials in the run-up to the film's release all treated Padme and the Queen as separate characters. And going into the film blind, there would be no real way to tell. I remember people speculating early on that the Queen character must be Princess Leia's mother, for obvious reasons, but once you started watching the film and saw that the handmaiden was the love interest, you might just as well have assumed that expectations were being deliberately subverted (I hate how loaded that phrase is now in Star Wars discussions). e: Of course, if you paid attention to casting information, the twist would be spoiled, as I believe it was indeed publicly reported by various sources that Natalie Portman was playing the Queen. But I don't think that was an issue for your average, casual viewer. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 12:43
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See, I never got that impression when I was eight, because I could see the characters were both being played by Natalie Portman and assumed she was just using a fake name. 
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Jan 3, 2019 12:51
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Wheat Loaf posted:See, I never got that impression when I was eight, because I could see the characters were both being played by Natalie Portman and assumed she was just using a fake name. Maybe I was just a dumb seven-year-old. But the first time Natalie Portman actually appears without her face obscured by makeup, it's right next to a person who looks exactly like the Queen you just saw in the previous scenes. My natural reaction was to take it at face value rather than suspect a twist. e: IMO the funnier prequel "twist" is the fact that Darth Sidious and Palpatine are the same individual, which was never confirmed in any official materials before Episode III despite it being completely obvious to long-time Star Wars fans, as well as any viewers who were paying remote attention to what transpired on screen. But it still apparently managed to surprise some people, especially child viewers. And there were also all kinds of crazy theories on fan boards that there actually was going to be a real twist, where it would be revealed at the last moment that Darth Sidious had in fact been a clone of Palpatine all along. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 12:56
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I had no idea when I saw it in the theater the first time.
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Jan 3, 2019 13:57
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I don't really remember if I suspected something about the Amidala/Padme switcharoo, however I do remember going  when Padme started talking to young, very young Anakin.
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Jan 3, 2019 14:01
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Admittedly I had a hard time following a lot of Phantom Menace in the cinema and paid the most attention during the podracing and lightsabering bits.
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Jan 3, 2019 14:13
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A part of me still wishes A New Hope was made and released in 1977 and then Star Wars disappeared from pop culture after and was never seen again. Other than a small cult following today that still enjoyed the original movie.
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Jan 3, 2019 16:03
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But then Empire would never have been made. Therefore I dislike this alternate universe of yours immensely.
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Jan 3, 2019 16:05
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Yeah, would have been nice if Vader adopted Luke out of kindness.
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Apropos of nothing, but I read the novelization of Return of the Jedi before watching the movie.
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Jan 3, 2019 17:06
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Colostomy Bag posted:Yeah, would have been nice if Vader adopted Luke out of kindness. He did try to do this multiple times, which is odd considering Vader is his biological father.
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Jan 3, 2019 17:08
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I said come in! posted:He did try to do this multiple times, which is odd considering Vader is his biological father. Well I guess if my biological dad slashed my arm off... Or the tunnel scene in ROTJ?
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Jan 3, 2019 17:22
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Colostomy Bag posted:Well I guess if my biological dad slashed my arm off... Woulda been so much eaiser if Vader brought up the father bit before lightsabers started being swung around. He has some anger issues that affect his family and work life.
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Jan 3, 2019 17:36
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I said come in! posted:Woulda been so much eaiser if Vader brought up the father bit before lightsabers started being swung around. He has some anger issues that affect his family and work life. Luke’s the aggressor throughout most the confrontation. He’s the one who pulls out his saber, and he’s the one who advances on Vader. Vader, for his part, spends most of that fight backing off and trying to wear Luke out without cutting him in half. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 18:13
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Schwarzwald posted:Luke’s the aggressor throughout most the confrontation. He’s the one who pulls out his saber, and he’s the one who advances on Vader. Vader, for his part, spends most of that fight backing off and trying to wear Luke out without cutting him in half. This is a good point. I'm now picturing Luke being all NO DAD YOU SHUT THE gently caress UP and then attacking first and it's funny to me. To be fair though Luke had credible information to suggest Vader was extremely hostile and dangerous to him. Vader's intention was to turn Luke, but Luke did not know that at the time.
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Jan 3, 2019 18:19
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I said come in! posted:Woulda been so much eaiser if Vader brought up the father bit before lightsabers started being swung around. He has some anger issues that affect his family and work life. What was Vader's work life? Is there anything in the EU where he sits down on the couch and pops open a beer.
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Jan 3, 2019 18:25
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Colostomy Bag posted:What was Vader's work life? Is there anything in the EU where he sits down on the couch and pops open a beer. We see him murder multiple co-workers throughout the Empire Strikes Back is what I mean As far as we know, Vader only likes to meditate after a hard day of working for the emporer. We see this is Empire Strikes Back, and Rogue One so it's only twice really.
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Jan 3, 2019 18:27
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Luke was also coming in real hot after getting a force vision of his friends in pain and then being shot at by Bubba Fatt when he arrived at Cloud City.
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Jan 3, 2019 19:12
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AndyElusive posted:Luke was also coming in real hot after getting a force vision of his friends in pain and then being shot at by Bubba Fatt when he arrived at Cloud City. Exactly, and he saw his friends being kidnapped, Leia was yelling at him that it was a trap.
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Jan 3, 2019 19:24
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I was thinking today about how to make the ST characters more interesting and I realized that the new She-Ra wrote Finn's story 10x better
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I said come in! posted:A part of me still wishes A New Hope was made and released in 1977 and then Star Wars disappeared from pop culture after and was never seen again. Other than a small cult following today that still enjoyed the original movie. I wonder what it would have been like if the first ever Star Wars film hadn't come out until this year. Can you imagine the internet's reaction?
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Davros1 posted:I wonder what it would have been like if the first ever Star Wars film hadn't come out until this year. Can you imagine the internet's reaction? It wouldn't have been made to begin with if it wasn't based on existing IP. Studio would've said, "nice script, alternate-universe George Lucas, I think this would be perfect to retool as a Last Starfighter reboot."
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Davros1 posted:I wonder what it would have been like if the first ever Star Wars film hadn't come out until this year. Can you imagine the internet's reaction? In this hypothetical does everything derivative of Star Wars also not exist? Because otherwise you'd get a https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny situation
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