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Ice Phisherman posted:It would be. He could try to start building it without congressional approval, but good luck finding money for it. Appropriations start in the house.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:That was a state level thing though. Yeah, I completely dread what it'd look like on a federal level.
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Just from Wikipedia:quote:Aside from these, many provisions of law exist in various jurisdictions, which take effect only upon an executive declaration of emergency; some 500 federal laws take effect upon a presidential declaration of emergency. The National Emergencies Act regulates this process at the federal level. It requires the President to specifically identify the provisions activated and to renew the declaration annually so as to prevent an arbitrarily broad or open-ended emergency. Presidents have occasionally taken action justified as necessary or prudent because of a state of emergency, only to have the action struck down in court as unconstitutional.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:He can do it There's a big difference between "can do it" and "also has the money for it". The days when congress gave the president an enormous pile of money for contingencies to do whatever he wants are long over. He gets a small amount of money every year for that, but not billions. Almost every dollar congress appropriates is specifically directed by congress to be spent on something that is not a wall. Trump can't just go into, say military pay or money for new helicopters and go "yoink, thats wall money now!"
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:He can do it Oh no! The one weird trick that open border socialists hate.
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Starks posted:Trump mentioned that they’ve already spent a lot of money buying land for the wall. Is that at all true? Did I mishear? trump doesn't even tell the truth by accident.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:I guess the question is, if Trump declares an emergency and directs the military to start building a wall, where do the materials come from? I'm sure the military has plenty of materials for temporary barriers and structures and such, but a thousands-of-miles-long permanent border wall doesn't exactly seem to be in their purview. Yeah, we're literally talking about the army rummaging around their bases for poo poo that can be used to build a wall. They might be able to erect something big enough for a photo op, but thats it.
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I am definitely looking forward to seeing "conservatives" attempt to justify the hostile government takeover of private land, though.
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Two more years of this poo poo. 
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Groovelord Neato posted:trump doesn't even tell the truth by accident. He's allowed one truth before Christmas.
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Starks posted:Trump mentioned that they’ve already spent a lot of money buying land for the wall. Is that at all true? Did I mishear? He can say it but it being true is left up to the observer. Chances are if you observe Trump policy the wave form collapses.
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like when trump said the obamas had a wall around their place i figured that was true just that his comparison was dumb as gently caress. of course it turns out them having a wall was a complete lie.
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Dad Jokes posted:Two more years of this poo poo. Today just reinforces my belief that there is no chance he’s still in office by next year. We’re two days into the new Congress and he’s already melting down.
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Fallom posted:Isn't that also the part that can make eminent domain cases take years to resolve? This is why the Cards Against Humanity.golks bought a chunk of border land and retained a law firm. Specifically to tie up any eminent domain attempt as long as possible.
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Yay! Watching America death-spiral into a tinpot dictatorship is my favourite entertainment!
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Trump print the coin. Use the coin to pay for the wall. Put your dad's face on the coin
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EmbryoSteve posted:Imagine a landlord not giving you a 3 day for not paying rent b/c the president asked them to be nice just lol Imagine the shitstorm when the first federal employee gets evicted from a Trump property for not paying rent.
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bobjr posted:If you asked what if they wanted to use a boat to go around and Trump said they were going to train sea creatures to attack, no one would be shocked by him saying it He'd better be careful, then 
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I'd say he'd fill the waters with sharks (probably seized from the nation's aquariums by the military), but I think he fears them too much to even suggest it
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Lets just relive this tweet from the campaign https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/679463426675097600
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bobjr posted:If you asked what if they wanted to use a boat to go around and Trump said they were going to train sea creatures to attack, no one would be shocked by him saying it But the trucks can't go over the Big Water.
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bobjr posted:If you asked what if they wanted to use a boat to go around and Trump said they were going to train sea creatures to attack, no one would be shocked by him saying it There's a reason McCarthy was present and McConnell was not.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:I guess the question is, if Trump declares an emergency and directs the military to start building a wall, where do the materials come from? I'm sure the military has plenty of materials for temporary barriers and structures and such, but a thousands-of-miles-long permanent border wall doesn't exactly seem to be in their purview. I mean they might have some steel laying around. Military budgets are jealously guarded and bloated, but "Hey military, go build me a wall" doesn't mean steel will appear out of nowhere. The money for it won't appear out of nowhere either. This is Trump's main promise to his constituency. He is his wall. If he doesn't do everything in his power to put up the wall and just caves without a fight his constituency is going to be pissed because few of them are federal employees and largely don't know or give a gently caress about how the government works or benefits them. For a normal politician, this kind of grandstanding is common, but this level of grandstanding is unheard of. This is pure strain dictator talk. Can he order it? Probably. Will it happen? No. Materials don't just appear out of thin air. Logistics don't appear out of thin air. Members of the military don't suddenly become construction workers. And people are going to be fighting him in the courts the entire way. I don't know the extent of his emergency powers, but if this goes to the courts, and it will if he goes down this road, you'll probably have a debate about what constitutes an emergency or not.
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New Trump canon: he has early ulillillia level fears about the ocean.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Today just reinforces my belief that there is no chance he’s still in office by next year. We’re two days into the new Congress and he’s already melting down. The question remains: at what point, if ever, does the GOP break with him? He can violate all the norms he likes, but so long as they refuse to go beyond "Deeply Concerned" he ain't going anywhere. I have no idea what it would take because unlike Nixon there is no way in hell Trump ever, ever, ever resigns and I can't even imagine the feeding frenzy that would ensue if the GOP were complicit in removing a president that a huge portion of their base adores.
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Ague Proof posted:There's a reason McCarthy was present and McConnell was not. Because he’s in his sarcophagus regenerating, and McCarthy can be led anywhere by jingling a set of keys in front his face? 
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Ice Phisherman posted:I mean they might have some steel laying around. Military budgets are jealously guarded and bloated, but "Hey military, go build me a wall" doesn't mean steel will appear out of nowhere. The money for it won't appear out of nowhere either. I think a goon who works in the steel industry posted a while back that the sheer amount of steel that a wall he is describing would dwarf the steel production of the entire world lol
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So the next thing he's going to do is stop fighting about the wall and demand more money for the military (on a completely unrelated topic of course) instead.
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friendbot2000 posted:I think a goon who works in the steel industry posted a while back that the sheer amount of steel that a wall he is describing would dwarf the steel production of the entire world lol Imagine the bidding process. 
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Apparently the Department of Defense owns land representing about 115 miles out of the ~2,000 mile border, and Trump thinks he can order them to build a wall on land they already own. Which he probably could, except.... he still needs to pay for it. The labor is probably paid for, but you still need materials. He might be able to build a really cheap piece of poo poo wall out of whatever razor wire and other materials the military has stashed away, but thats it.
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friendbot2000 posted:I think a goon who works in the steel industry posted a while back that the sheer amount of steel that a wall he is describing would dwarf the steel production of the entire world lol No, the him who worked in the steel industry said that wasn't true
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If you are gay and support Republicans like Rubin does, you should gently caress off
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Fallom posted:I am definitely looking forward to seeing "conservatives" attempt to justify the hostile government takeover of private land, though. They'll do it without even blinking and then patently deny there's any blood coming from their eyes when you ask what's wrong.
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Skippy McPants posted:The question remains: at what point, if ever, does the GOP break with him? He can violate all the norms he likes, but so long as they refuse to go beyond "Deeply Concerned" he ain't going anywhere. You need 67 in the senate, right? Assuming only republicans worried about re-election vote for him, you need senators in R+9 states to get spooked. This isn't accounting for the fact that newly-elected senators wont be up until 2024 and probably can't get spooked by this; you probably need to spook senators in R+15 states once you account for that. An especially-damning Mueller report or similar might be able to give us a potential D+20 environment that spooks the R+10s up for election in 2020 or 2022. You'd need a few safer republican senators to go along even in that scenario though Basically I think the scenario where the republican senate votes to convict for their own electoral security is implausible. Getting to 67 because Trump is self-evidently a danger to the country, even to Republicans inclined to think otherwise, seems easier given his current pace of degeneration. He'd have to do something really bad though. So bad I'm having trouble picturing it.
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Just had a scary thought. To counter AOC their will be a Right dancing video.....
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https://twitter.com/kpolantz/status/1081289968214048768 “OVER BY THANKSGIVING 2017”
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