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Oh I get it, it's like when Trump talked about grabbing pussies and it ended his chance of becoming president
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I don't think it's that, but maybe let's stop giving them easy ammunition by straight-out insulting them to their faces for a moment of self-satisfaction that will damage us in the long run It doesn't damage you in the long run. It fires up your base which is all politics is now.
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i can't believe i was busy this afternoon and missed 'the military version of eminent domain' lmfao
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VitalSigns posted:Does that really give them ammunition though. It fires up the right but tends to split the left.
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cheetah7071 posted:In theory all furloughed employees will get backpay, right? So TSA agents aren't technically working for no pay, they're just working for a paycheck at some unknown point in the future? They aren't super high paid, so they are probably all calling in sick so they can try and rustle up money by doing odd jobs or something.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Why? Unless you live in her district, what effect will your friends' bad opinions legitimately have on her? The part that you left out of that quote: It speaks to a lack of professional restraint and resulted in a video clip that can be brought up again and again by the power structure in place already as a way to diminish her credibility. She's loving credible in my book, but I'm not the kind of person she's going to have to convince to trust her. I want fighters that know when to grandstand. Her willingness to take a bold stand on Twitter and then run from reporters was also a pretty stupid thing to do. I hope she figures the game out fast, because I trust her judgement on policy and want the country to shift to the left. To add: She needs to convince senior democrats/ a large coalition of non-senior democrats she can be trusted with authority and not attract controversy of her own making. Sure the right is going to manufacture outrage, but there's a pretty hefty difference between the impact of AOC dancing in college to RT using the word 'motherfucker' to refer to the chief executive.
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Priapus Unbound posted:It matters a bit if you want to expand Rashida's support among more than just the people who already support her. Personally I am on board for calling the President a motherfucker, but as a professional who works with large groups of people, actually saying it as a just sworn in member of the house was a dumb, dumb move. It speaks to a lack of professional restraint and resulted in a video clip that can be brought up again and again by the power structure in place already as a way to diminish her credibility. There is a point where you just have to tell the bully to gently caress off. We are at that point. Besides, what they are really mad about is: - publicly talking about how Trump will deservedly get impeached - publicly talking about how the top tax rates will be raised. Especially during the time of this current administration, all of your low-class scam artists, assholes, whiners, etc. have been given full-strength to come out and be horrible, because they see their hero in charge of the country.
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Lemming posted:It doesn't damage you in the long run. It fires up your base which is all politics is now. It's almost like there's a balance we need to strike or something We're not going to make actual real progress becoming Trump 2.0, and frankly I don't want a Liberal Trump in office
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Groovelord Neato posted:too low imo. Matt Yglesias from Vox agrees with you https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1081224425800904705
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Priapus Unbound posted:That's a pretty big mischaracterization of what people are saying. If you agree with Rashida's policies, then it would be super neat if she got into positions of authority within the Democratic apparatus where she can implement her vision. She's not going to be able to do that if she gains a reputation for controversy because that speaks to a lack of foresight. I don't think anyone expects hardcore conservatives to get on board with the representative from Michigan's beliefs, but she sure as hell needs to care what other Democrats think regardless of what a bunch of rightfully incensed people on a dead comedy forum think. So your position is that Democrats are such fainting flowers that they'll stop supporting the party if they hear a swear, and not only that they'll prefer the well-renowned polite demeanor of the party of Donald Trump?
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Lightning Knight posted:At this rate Trump will be dead from McDonalds-related heart attack before the Mueller report actually drops. just want to echo marcy wheeler re: this and remind people there's still only one person saying we're getting a 'report' and that's loving rudy giuliani - and even if it were to exist, there'd be no guarantee whatsoever the public ever saw it the actual report is the narratives we're getting in indictments and criminal complaints
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https://twitter.com/anaphoristand/status/1081222284910546945 Ate My Balls Redux posted:Oh I get it, it's like when Trump talked about grabbing pussies and it ended his chance of becoming president He also said Romney would have blown him for an endorsement and he made jokes praising Greg Gianforte for assaulting a journalist.
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Bicyclops posted:Steve King: *pulls down pants and chases camera while yelling n-word* Also known as the Jason Spencer.
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Tayter Swift posted:Oh I know he can't, but that's never stopped him from trying before. In this case "trying" would be a 5-minute conversation in the oval office that we never hear about unless someone leaks it to a reporter.
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:Yeah, this instance is a poor example for me. You have a good point. I didn't mean to call you out or anything. It just seemed - as you said - like an odd place to make that particular generally reasonable criticism. And I guess I generally go by the "first step to change is not to hit them when they do it right" philosophy.
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Skyarb posted:It fires up the right but tends to split the left. Is there any evidence of this, like, at all? Joe Biden said a swear too, did that hurt the Obama administration. E: and no the fact that it's making you personally pull a Reverend Mrs Lovejoy about it isn't evidence of electoral trends.
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eke out posted:just want to echo marcy wheeler re: this and remind people there's still only one person saying we're getting a 'report' and that's loving rudy giuliani - and even if it were to exist, there'd be no guarantee whatsoever the public ever saw it What if I just wanted to mock Trump for being disgusting? 
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Acting like Trump is worthy of being treated with respect and decorum runs a pretty high risk of normalizing this poo poo, imo
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cheetah7071 posted:In theory all furloughed employees will get backpay, right? So TSA agents aren't technically working for no pay, they're just working for a paycheck at some unknown point in the future? The rent is still due at the end of the month, and the grocery store doesn't take IOU's. If this is going to last "months or even years" then the entire TSA workforce is going to quit.
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Lightning Knight posted:What if I just wanted to mock Trump for being disgusting? it's allowed as long as you don't say any swear words
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The next time a reporter asks her about it, she should answer "who loving cares" because seriously who loving cares about swear words in tyool 2018
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cheetah7071 posted:In theory all furloughed employees will get backpay, right? So TSA agents aren't technically working for no pay, they're just working for a paycheck at some unknown point in the future? Essential employees will definitely get paid for the work they do (but that doesn't help them right now if they're living paycheck-to-paycheck, as many of those agents likely are). Non-essential employees have, in the past, received pay for the period of work stoppage, but that isn't a legal obligation, just something every prior Congress has enacted afterwards.
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Skyarb posted:It fires up the right but tends to split the left. It doesn't split the left, it upsets pearl clutching centrists who vote Republican and pretend they're good because they say they don't mind gay people StrangersInTheNight posted:It's almost like there's a balance we need to strike or something If you think calling a criminal fascist rapist a motherfucker is "Liberal Trump" then you are dumber than a sack of hammers
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Longest shutdown was around a month under Clinton, right? We're definitely going past that, right?
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VitalSigns posted:Is there any evidence of this, like, at all? At the time, it was a big loving deal.
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cheetah7071 posted:The next time a reporter asks her about it, she should answer "who loving cares" because seriously who loving cares about swear words in tyool 2018 It's now tyool 2019, get with the loving times.
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Rigel posted:The rent is still due at the end of the month, and the grocery store doesn't take IOU's. If this is going to last "months or even years" then the entire TSA workforce is going to quit. Yeah my post wasn't worded well but I wasn't trying to dismiss their concerns. Just asking a clarifying question because I don't understand the full details of the implementation of the shutdown.
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Oh you fools, you still think you can logic away how much this matters and compare it to other instances of politicians cursing It's not ABOUT the cursing It's ABOUT trying to police her language because she's a woman I love cursing but I also know that yes, they're going to get her for -whatever they can-, and unfair as that is it means she has higher than average performance expectations. She can't just be as good as them, she's going to have to be BETTER than them. Lemming posted:If you think calling a criminal fascist rapist a motherfucker is "Liberal Trump" then you are dumber than a sack of hammers what? you're an insane person, that's not what I said or intuited AT ALL but saying 'well let's just cut loose to RILE UP OUR BASE, it worked for Trump!!!' is a disturbing argument I'm seeing nowadays from the liberal end and NO StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:It's almost like there's a balance we need to strike or something You don't confront an extreme, existential threat with "balance." Balance will drown us all as the oceans rise and the farmers' fields turn to dust.
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Rashida loving owns and y'all handwringing motherfuckers are being so stereotypically liberal it hurts
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VitalSigns posted:So your position is that Democrats are such fainting flowers that they'll stop supporting the party if they hear a swear, and not only that they'll prefer the well-renowned polite demeanor of the party of Donald Trump? That's not what I'm saying at all. Nowhere in my post do I claim that democrats will stop being democrats and support republicans. Have you always argued like a hardcore conservative, or have you been staring in the abyss too long?
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eke out posted:it's allowed as long as you don't say any swear words darn it
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cheetah7071 posted:In theory all furloughed employees will get backpay, right? So TSA agents aren't technically working for no pay, they're just working for a paycheck at some unknown point in the future? They're among the most poorly paid government employees, if not the poorest paid. They're the ones most likely to experience hardship, and the ones least likely to have access to other sources of income & credit.
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PT6A posted:It's now tyool 2019, get with the loving times. oh you're right swears matter again my bad. Swearing will next be okay again in *checks schedule* 2021
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Rashida loving owns and y'all handwringing motherfuckers are being so stereotypically liberal it hurts Its actually you all who truly don't get it. Its not about hand wringing or pearly clutching, its about being as in-game as you can be to completely and totally destroy the GOP.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Longest shutdown was around a month under Clinton, right? i believe the number is 8 more days until this becomes officially the longest
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Rashida loving owns and y'all handwringing motherfuckers are being so stereotypically liberal it hurts
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Oh you fools, you still think you can logic away how much this matters and compare it to other instances of politicians cursing Yes, better at firing up the Democratic base, which you do by publicly and visibly fighting back against the fuckers who are destroying the world around us. That's something that is very good and exciting and that makes people want to show up and vote for you, not roll over and give up and die.
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cheetah7071 posted:In theory all furloughed employees will get backpay, right? So TSA agents aren't technically working for no pay, they're just working for a paycheck at some unknown point in the future? In theory essential employees who work are guaranteed pay for that work. Other employees depends on whether congress and president Deals allocated money for backpay. But for many people a delayed paycheck is almost as bad as losing a job. Rent and bills need to be paid, food has to be bought, etc.
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