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All this "motherfucker" hysteria...has anyone said anything about the "impeach" part of the sentence?
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Is this somehow taking into account that she's been sentenced already and by the time she's done cooperating she'll have beyond time served and should be able to just walk into a plane and gtfo back to Russia? No idea just cribbing news reports. quote:A Russian politician, meanwhile, hinted Friday that the detainee could possibly be swapped for a Russian woman who has pleaded guilty to trying to influence US politics — gun rights activist, Maria Butina.
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Jan 5, 2019 00:55
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Lid posted:No idea just cribbing news reports. isnt she already out of jail or some crap?
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Jan 5, 2019 00:56
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InsertPotPun posted:All this "motherfucker" hysteria...has anyone said anything about the "impeach" part of the sentence? That's the funniest part; not really. It's all just about policing a woman of colors language. It's naked and ugly and gently caress  forever. Bring on all the future motherfucks. Conservatives have literally no clue how to handle being hit back.
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Jan 5, 2019 00:58
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm not sure why PAYGO is so bad, since I support rising taxes to pay for things I want? Because those things don't necessarily have to be done at the same time, and requiring them to be done at the same time makes getting things you want harder. And sometimes you might want to run a deficit on purpose. Would you say "nah nevermind then" to fixing Flint's water or Puerto Rico hurricane relief or Medicare For All if congress couldn't agree on a tax raise the same year. The other reason it's bad is that Republicans don't give two shits about the deficit so in practice it's easy to waive it for bad things like wars but difficult to waive it for good things where you have to get every Democratic senator on board. So effectively it just bottles up progressive legislation without being an impediment to deficit spending for conservative goals.
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Jan 5, 2019 00:59
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Charlz Guybon posted:I'm not sure why PAYGO is so bad, since I support rising taxes to pay for things I want? Because the idea the country needs to be run like a household is ludicrous and also hamstring stuff because of what might happen in six years is really dumb. Notice how PAYGO doesn't seem to really stop the Republicans from blowing up the deficit constantly so it doesn't even do what it is supposed to. Fiscal conservatism is a lie that only right wing Democrats believe in and are stupid for doing so since they are never rewarded for it (unless you are cynical and think it's because their real goal is getting rich from donors and kickbacks). It's the "decorum" of tax policy. It's just used by people acting in bad faith to have a Serious reason to opposed things they don't like and then just ignore it when it benefits them.
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Jan 5, 2019 00:59
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Dapper_Swindler posted:isnt she already out of jail or some crap? No, but by the time her cooperation is over and she's sentenced, the estimated 6 months of incarceration she'd probably get will have already been served.
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Jan 5, 2019 00:59
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Willa Rogers posted:A whole lot of dummies fell for Obama's "the government needs to run its budget like a household" as an excuse for his launchpad into years of austerity proposals but the trope took hold among liberals thereafter and welp, here we are. Who could have ever predicted it? Yes, a brand new idea from Obama, nobody had ever discussed the deficit in those terms, it's actually quite easy to get the American people to understand non-intuitive ideas
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Jan 5, 2019 01:00
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Crow Jane posted:While making a big show about how tiny and hard to find they are I'm kinkshaming you over this post. I can understand why she did it; its extremely exhausting to deal with politics and everyone has their own view and wants to fight about it. It's why I don't talk about politics with family.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:01
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VitalSigns posted:Because those things don't necessarily have to be done at the same time, and requiring them to be done at the same time makes getting things you want harder. And sometimes you might want to run a deficit on purpose. The issue with PAYGO is that its' federal law (again passed in 1990), which means if you don't waive it then automatic cuts happen. That clause exists whether Dems say they are going to abide by PAYGO in the rules package or not. So progressives would have to get a waiver for PAYGO for M4A regardless of whether it was in the rules package.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:02
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So I’m new to the cable news poo poo. I just got Sirius for my long commute. What’s the deal with the morning show on MSNBC. This morning was like one long dogwhistle about how wrong and awful AOC is.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:03
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mcmagic posted:So what was the point of having PayGo again? It's a fig leaf tossed out to calm the idiots who don't understand that there is a difference between a household budget and a national budget.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:04
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Noise Complaint posted:So I’m new to the cable news poo poo. I just got Sirius for my long commute. What’s the deal with the morning show on MSNBC. This morning was like one long dogwhistle about how wrong and awful AOC is. Welcome to corporate news. Think about it the next time someone complains about the left-wing media. E: Also if I remember correctly Joe Scarborough is the host and while he's not a complete rear end in a top hat he's still a Republican.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:04
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theflyingorc posted:Yes, a brand new idea from Obama, nobody had ever discussed the deficit in those terms, it's actually quite easy to get the American people to understand non-intuitive ideas FDR managed to find the words. I find this attitude baffling, that we shouldn't make the case for correct ideas if they aren't already believed by a majority of the population, instead we should make the case for incorrect, bad, wrong, and harmful ideas and hope we get an opportunity to enact a good idea on the sly and promptly get destroyed in the next elections by the consequences of our own rhetoric. How do you think people become convinced of better ideas, if no one makes the case for them and spends all their time reinforcing bad ideas because people currently believe them.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:04
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Skyarb posted:On the topic of Joe Rogan being lovely, here is post in the joe rogan subreddit today: The joerogan subreddit is the perfect distillation of everything that's wrong with Joe Rogan and his podcast fans. It's just an unending whinefest about SJWs and an Elon Musk circlejerk.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:05
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Noise Complaint posted:So I’m new to the cable news poo poo. I just got Sirius for my long commute. What’s the deal with the morning show on MSNBC. This morning was like one long dogwhistle about how wrong and awful AOC is. Listen to podcasts or something on your long commute. You're going to go loving insane if you spend a large portion of every day listening to poo poo like MSNBC.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:06
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theflyingorc posted:Yes, a brand new idea from Obama, nobody had ever discussed the deficit in those terms, it's actually quite easy to get the American people to understand non-intuitive ideas that's like saying you should explain global warming with 'we just need to turn the thermostat down in our world-house!!!!' Just because you can make people go 'oooooh' doesn't mean you're actually educating them.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:07
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theblackw0lf posted:The issue with PAYGO is that its' federal law (again passed in 1990), which means if you don't waive it then automatic cuts happen. That clause exists whether Dems say they are going to abide by PAYGO in the rules package or not. Actually it expired in 2002. It's only law again because Dems passed it into law again in 2010, and now here you are using that self-inflicted wound as a self-justification for continuing to support it.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:07
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also yea I'd literally rather watch nothing but Fox all day than the same for MSNBC, at least Fox's panicked status quo flailing is funny
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Jan 5, 2019 01:08
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VitalSigns posted:Actually it expired in 2002. Yea you're right it became law again in 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_Pay-As-You-Go_Act_of_2010 And yea I want it repealed. Just saying that because it's law we're kind of hosed whether it's in the democratic rules package or not. Again though, it's dumb for it to be in the rules package, and I hope the law is repealed.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:10
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sexpig by night posted:that's like saying you should explain global warming with 'we just need to turn the thermostat down in our world-house!!!!' Just because you can make people go 'oooooh' doesn't mean you're actually educating them. It's more like saying we should note that a bunch of Americans think global warming is a myth made up by the Chinese, and so we should campaign on the common-sense notion that we must resist Chinese influence and trust that God's gift of human dominion over the earth prevents us from harming the environment, because science is hard and changing minds is impossible, but don't worry once we get elected we'll pass that carbon tax anyway.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:10
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theblackw0lf posted:I'm so confused right now This is what happens when you blindly update iOS on your phone without reading the reviews first.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:10
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Well work fired off an email this afternoon saying "we currently anticipate being able to continue operations for a few additional weeks". Whatever that means.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:10
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theblackw0lf posted:Yea you're right it became law again in 2010. I agree with this, but also I'd say that a prerequisite to repealing it is explaining why it needs to be repealed and we can't do that if we keep it in the rules package and pretend it's a great idea.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:12
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sexpig by night posted:also yea I'd literally rather watch nothing but Fox all day than the same for MSNBC, at least Fox's panicked status quo flailing is funny I know this is a joke but mind poison is still poison even if you know it's poison
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Jan 5, 2019 01:12
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Lemming posted:I know this is a joke but mind poison is still poison even if you know it's poison well yea obviously don't listen to either is the real answer
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Jan 5, 2019 01:13
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VitalSigns posted:I agree with this, but also I'd say that a prerequisite to repealing it is explaining why it needs to be repealed and we can't do that if we keep it in the rules package and pretend it's a great idea. Yea I agree with that, which is why I said it's dumb for it to be in the rules package Anyway, hope dems take up the repeal of it to hammer home that deficit spending is a good thing. I'll admit it's risky politically, but it needs to be done.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:14
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AOC advocating a hard 70% tax rate on the rich is probably the most left-wing economic position I've heard out of anyone on the left in the past 50 years. Even Bernie hasn't advocated such a thing. 
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Jan 5, 2019 01:14
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Leftists trying to tie paygo to the death of MFA is quite frankly dumb since that is EXACTLY how single payer works in other countries. You aren't going to just print money to pay for health care.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:14
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Shifty Pony posted:Well work fired off an email this afternoon saying "we currently anticipate being able to continue operations for a few additional weeks". It basically means "if this shutdown lasts more than a month you're all hosed" so I hope you've got some savings ready just in case.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:17
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Mooseontheloose posted:Leftists trying to tie paygo to the death of MFA is quite frankly dumb since that is EXACTLY how single payer works in other countries. You aren't going to just print money to pay for health care. Other countries run zero deficits? They never deficit spend, at all?
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Jan 5, 2019 01:17
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VitalSigns posted:Actually it expired in 2002. This worked out great for the Democrats right? I've been in a come for a decade but I assume they were rewarded by all the people who love fiscal responsibility with lots of votes at both the national and local levels. sexpig by night posted:also yea I'd literally rather watch nothing but Fox all day than the same for MSNBC, at least Fox's panicked status quo flailing is funny MSNBC is kinda worse since everyone knows Fox is just the media wing of the GOP but MSNBC pretends to be real news while they are pushing right wing bullshit all the time.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:18
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VitalSigns posted:Other countries run zero deficits? I see your reading comprehension is as good as your posts. How do you think health care is paid for in places like England and Canada?
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Jan 5, 2019 01:18
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Public spending on healthcare in the US per capita is already as high or higher than most countries with UHC too.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:20
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Mooseontheloose posted:I see your reading comprehension is as good as your posts. I assume, like any country, partly with taxes, partly with bonds, partly with new money creation, which changes from year to year based on structural issues? How do you think it is paid for? Do you think if tax revenues decrease because of say an economic contraction, then Canada just starts kicking people out of hospital beds to balance the books?
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Jan 5, 2019 01:21
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Mr Interweb posted:AOC advocating a hard 70% tax rate on the rich is probably the most left-wing economic position I've heard out of anyone on the left in the past 50 years. Even Bernie hasn't advocated such a thing. This made me take a look at the hard right to see what they were up to, they didn't disappoint. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/06/17/gay-rights-have-made-us-dumber-its-time-to-get-back-in-the-closet/
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Jan 5, 2019 01:22
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Lemming posted:I know this is a joke but mind poison is still poison even if you know it's poison Eh, Fox is so hilariously and blatantly bad that I really doubt anyone who isn't already predisposed to its particular bias would ever be influenced by it. It was on all the time in the main space of an office that I used to work from, and the only thing it ever did was give me a deep appreciation for how overwhelmingly stupid conservatives actually are.
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Jan 5, 2019 01:23
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Oh it is only going to get worse from here on out. First missed pay check will be next week.
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Mr Interweb posted:AOC advocating a hard 70% tax rate on the rich is probably the most left-wing economic position I've heard out of anyone on the left in the past 50 years. Even Bernie hasn't advocated such a thing. Funny thing is it's not even that lefty of an idea. Seems a lot of center-left think tanks embrace it as well. (based on the response I've read from center-lefties on AOC's proposal) Think it doesn't happen more out of political fear than policy reasons. theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jan 5, 2019 |
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