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Doctor Spaceman posted:A contested Dem primary in 2024 has some bad implications about what happens in or after 2020. We're gonna let Bernie finally retire after he uh, passes M4A and puts Gritty on the Supreme Court, okay?
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Dick Trauma posted:Oh my god if they ever make a time machine I''m not going back any farther than 1980. The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1081732136531619840 These two posts being so close to one another, it's like a message from god.
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Jan 6, 2019 05:42
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Lemming posted:If they thought that was effective, it's what they would have been doing. Trump is Trump because he's that dumb. He doesn't know how to do anything but yell the crazy evil poo poo out loud. I don't think anyone else would have beaten Clinton because nobody else could shamelessly go full racist idiot like he did. Idk, Tucker Carlson is full on racist God-Emperor of /pol/ lately. Dude definitely has no shame
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Jan 6, 2019 05:43
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Grapplejack posted:If they really gave a poo poo they'd drop the F-35's modular aircraft thing and just make like 4-5 different ones with similar enough parts that repair and maintenance wouldn't be hamstrung that much. But, it's the Pentagon, which has never had any good ideas about military equipment, so Little late for that now, sadly.
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Jan 6, 2019 05:46
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TulliusCicero posted:Idk, Tucker Carlson is full on racist God-Emperor of /pol/ lately. Dude definitely has no shame He has no shame, but he's also a gormless buffoon. Man is the avatar of mediocre white men failing upward. His career is one long string of gaffes and idiot fuckups, but he keeps climbing the ladder because he appears to be the only male conservative media personality who can go more than a week without committing sexual assault.
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Jan 6, 2019 05:47
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Tucker would have to dedicate 100% of his concentration to not drooling on himself while staring like a deer in headlights at literally any opponent while they savage him over his stupid loving bow tie because he's a doofus loving chode. Edit: in retrospect no one should be rapidly oxidized in a tire filled with gasoline. bij fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Jan 6, 2019 05:48
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm pretty sure there's a lot of advanced aeronautics stuff that goes into high performance military jet aircraft that isn't easily transferable to civilian markets because the demand just isn't there. Story time! My buddy is a firefighter in california. At the time I was in the army, during the off-season he tweaked his knee while running. My first thought was "just go into the hospital and get it checked out, spending a day making sure you're ok is worth your time". Then I went "oh poo poo you have to deal with insurance and bullshit and its the offseason so you only get partial coverage or some crazy poo poo" and so he ended up getting an ace wrap and avoiding walking on it for a few days. Luckily, despite the pain he wasn't seriously injured, but it is possible that it could have been bad enough to effect his job. Apart from just the increased health and increased chances of catching preventable problems before they end up costing poo poo-tons of extra money to take care of, having a socialized healthcare system improves the mental health of people. Even if you don't think about it, there is a ton of extra stress when you consider injuries and if you're going to be able to pay for it, or the people who have trouble paying for insurance or finding a plan that isn't turbo-loving them. The step from "I'll hope this isn't a problem and that my body can heal on its own" to "just go get it checked out" is huge in terms of impact to the person, but not huge in terms of what it would cost. For the financial argument, just look at costs for preventative treatments versus late term interventions (ie dietary and medicine for kidney/heart problems versus a replacement kidney/heart).
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Jan 6, 2019 05:49
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TulliusCicero posted:Idk, Tucker Carlson is full on racist God-Emperor of /pol/ lately. Dude definitely has no shame He's also got no charisma. He's only got the slot he does on Fox because Bill O'Reilley was so loving awful that they had no choice but to boot him. He failed upwards, he's not going to inspire a new generation of chuds.
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Jan 6, 2019 05:54
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Jan 6, 2019 05:59
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Jan 6, 2019 06:08
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cargo cult posted:any chance the dems show some spine and let him own this or nah I mean it's hard not to when Trump keeps yelling "THIS IS MY WALL SHUTDOWN"
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Jan 6, 2019 06:21
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Grapplejack posted:I mean it's hard not to when Trump keeps yelling "THIS IS MY WALL SHUTDOWN" He isn’t going to get any money for his stupid wall. The key is to get McConnell to own it though, since he is actually the one loving it up at the moment.
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Yeah, he's trying to blame them, but he keeps framing it was "they won't fund the wall, so I gotta do a shutdown" which is not how you take control of the narrative. The last poll was what, a 51/37 split on blaming him vs. the Dems?
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Jan 6, 2019 06:31
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Skippy McPants posted:Yeah, he's trying to blame them, but he keeps framing it was "they won't fund the wall, so I gotta do a shutdown" which is not how you take control of the narrative. Yeah and only 25% want the wall at all. People are blaming the Dems because “they should just let him have it” like he is (accurately) a toddler screaming for another scoop of ice cream.
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Jan 6, 2019 06:33
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Stereotype posted:It is insane how many problems would be fixed if we had a 90% top marginal tax rate. Basically all of them. Name a problem and I’ll explain how a 90% top marginal tax rate would fix it. How will a 90% top marginal tax rate help me fall in love? 
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Jan 6, 2019 06:34
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Triskelli posted:How will a 90% top marginal tax rate help me fall in love? One of the hardest parts about relationships is money and once we redistribute the hoarded wealth then it’s one less thing to worry about 
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Jan 6, 2019 06:38
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ZypherIM posted:Story time! My buddy is a firefighter in california. At the time I was in the army, during the off-season he tweaked his knee while running. My first thought was "just go into the hospital and get it checked out, spending a day making sure you're ok is worth your time". Then I went "oh poo poo you have to deal with insurance and bullshit and its the offseason so you only get partial coverage or some crazy poo poo" and so he ended up getting an ace wrap and avoiding walking on it for a few days. Luckily, despite the pain he wasn't seriously injured, but it is possible that it could have been bad enough to effect his job. I fell down the stairs a couple months ago and sprained my ankle so bad it was the size of a baseball. It hurt so bad, I put a dent in the bead board wall with my fist while writhing in pain. I iced that sucker, wrapped it tight as I could, had my mom drive over with half a bottle of leftover and probably expired Codeine tablets and pounded about 6 of the fuckers (I have a really high tolerance to pain meds). At one point, I started punching myself in the head to distract myself from how bad it hurt. I STILL didn't go to the hospital, because my deductible is like $6k. I'm decidedly not poor, but who the gently caress can afford that? I'm lucky as poo poo it seemed to heal okay.
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Jan 6, 2019 06:41
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KillHour posted:I fell down the stairs a couple months ago and sprained my ankle so bad it was the size of a baseball. It hurt so bad, I put a dent in the bead board wall with my fist while writhing in pain. I iced that sucker, wrapped it tight as I could, had my mom drive over with half a bottle of leftover and probably expired Codeine tablets and pounded about 6 of the fuckers (I have a really high tolerance to pain meds). At one point, I started punching myself in the head to distract myself from how bad it hurt. Okay, I will never again complain about healthcare in Australia.
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Jan 6, 2019 06:50
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KillHour posted:I fell down the stairs a couple months ago and sprained my ankle so bad it was the size of a baseball. It hurt so bad, I put a dent in the bead board wall with my fist while writhing in pain. I iced that sucker, wrapped it tight as I could, had my mom drive over with half a bottle of leftover and probably expired Codeine tablets and pounded about 6 of the fuckers (I have a really high tolerance to pain meds). At one point, I started punching myself in the head to distract myself from how bad it hurt. just go to a hospital, did you cut your nose of after that?
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downout posted:just go to a hospital, did you cut your nose of after that? I'm sorry, I don't have thousands of dollars laying around for that and I don't feel like spending the next few years paying off that debt at credit card interest rates.
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The primary reason college became expensive as gently caress is the easy availability of student loans. Now imagine throwing the F-35 program's budget at the problem. What exactly do you think will happen to college tuitions, other than "astronomically increase"?
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Jan 6, 2019 07:08
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KillHour posted:I'm sorry, I don't have thousands of dollars laying around for that and I don't feel like spending the next few years paying off that debt at credit card interest rates. If you can't afford to go to the hospital for something like that you are poor Like I don't mean this as a slight, I think a big part of the problem in the US is that everyone considers themselves middle class and acts like their situation is fine or manageable. That's hosed up. You were personally stolen from by the wealthy in this country.
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enraged_camel posted:The primary reason college became expensive as gently caress is the easy availability of student loans. We have free college in NY. Tuition hasn't skyrocketed.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:09
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KillHour posted:I fell down the stairs a couple months ago and sprained my ankle so bad it was the size of a baseball. It hurt so bad, I put a dent in the bead board wall with my fist while writhing in pain. I iced that sucker, wrapped it tight as I could, had my mom drive over with half a bottle of leftover and probably expired Codeine tablets and pounded about 6 of the fuckers (I have a really high tolerance to pain meds). At one point, I started punching myself in the head to distract myself from how bad it hurt. Late last year I woke up at about 4am covered in hives. At the time I hummed and hawed over whether I wanted to go to the hospital, before finally deciding to when I realized the extent of the hives. By the time I got to the waiting room, I could no longer breath and had to be intubated to keep breathing while they pumped me full of of epinephrine and whatever else. If I had lived in the states wherw I had to ponder spending thousands on something that felt like an uncomfortable itch, I would almost certainly be dead. For profit insurance is a loving crime.
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KillHour posted:I'm sorry, I don't have thousands of dollars laying around for that and I don't feel like spending the next few years paying off that debt at credit card interest rates. Ding, My father got in a car accident a few years back. They're just digging out of the hole now 5 years later. A reminder most people cannot come up with$3000 dollars for an emergency. If you can you are privileged.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:10
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enraged_camel posted:The primary reason college became expensive as gently caress is the easy availability of student loans. "Now for my next trick, let me explain to you how it was giving black people loans that caused the 2008 meltdown!" College became expensive as gently caress because the states quit funding it and turned that into loans instead. Also the admin salary arms race which requires them to spend ludicrous amounts on facilities upgrades to justify what they're being paid.
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Harik posted:"Now for my next trick, let me explain to you how it was giving black people loans that caused the 2008 meltdown!" Predatory loans did cause the 2008 meltdown, along with a host of other factors.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:23
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BrandorKP posted:A reminder most people cannot come up with$3000 dollars for an emergency. If you can you are privileged. Forget about three grand, the boilerplate statistic is that 40% of Americans have less than $500 on hand for an unexpected emergency. That's a lot of temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:26
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KillHour posted:I'm sorry, I don't have thousands of dollars laying around for that and I don't feel like spending the next few years paying off that debt at credit card interest rates. you said quote:I'm decidedly not poor
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downout posted:you said I'm not them, but there's a lot of HSA eligible plans where the employer doesn't put one red cent into the HSA, like mine. I can fund it myself, though. My wife has even worse options, did you know there's $6k deductible plans that somehow aren't HSA eligible?
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Jan 6, 2019 07:38
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enraged_camel posted:The primary reason college became expensive as gently caress is the easy availability of student loans. Tuition increase at state universities is almost 1 to 1 related to state budget cuts. Free college also doesn't mean "just pay whatever the colleges want to charge."
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Harik posted:"Now for my next trick, let me explain to you how it was giving black people loans that caused the 2008 meltdown!" That, and research funding hasn't grown to match enrollment.
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downout posted:you said I can be both "not poor" and also "not have 6 grand lying around." I have an HSA, but my employer doesn't contribute to it. It's possible to have a good salary and poo poo benefits. Edit: and the only reason I mentioned that part was to drive home the point that everyone except the super rich suffers from our dumbass healthcare system. It has no redeeming qualities. KillHour fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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enraged_camel posted:Predatory loans did cause the 2008 meltdown, along with a host of other factors. Predatory loans did not cause the meltdown, period. They did not contribute to the meltdown, period. 100% of the meltdown was caused by loan repackaging into securities, those securities being falsely overrated, then the entire system going into shock and refusing to lend because nobody had any idea who had what on their balance sheet anymore. Predatory loans and "normal" loans all failed at higher than expected rates when the bottom dropped out. The securities being traded and overvalued could have been orange juice futures for all it mattered to the underlying failure.
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enraged_camel posted:The primary reason college became expensive as gently caress is the easy availability of student loans. I wish AOC could read this post so she could smite you with an awe-inspiring tweet
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Jan 6, 2019 07:52
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KillHour posted:I'm sorry, I don't have thousands of dollars laying around for that and I don't feel like spending the next few years paying off that debt at credit card interest rates. Not to mention that if some out-of-network randos saw you during your hospital visit, you'd be billed full freight for their services, and that cost wouldn't even count toward your deductible. People in other countries--or the privileged in our own--have no idea how dysfunctional the status quo in healthcare is for those who don't have single-payer insurance like medicaid or medicare. ZypherIM is dead-on in describing the mental-health distress over not being able to afford care--even with insurance coverage. So yeah, when I hear "progressives" bleating about the taxes single-payer would entail, or insisting that the ACA is perfectly fine (once we restore the mandate to purchase private insurance), I get a little tetchy. The GOP is hopeless on the issue, so I focus my ire on those who could change the status quo but who choose to continue to insist that everything is fine.
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Harik posted:No, they in fact did not. Fraudulent loans certainly were a part of it. People had million dollar houses as bartenders. Banks were fraudulently handing out loans like candy because they could securitize them. Then they could pay themselves like kings because they conjured a million dollars out of thin air. It isn’t the borrower’s fault of course, but the loans themselves were the whole meltdown.
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Willa Rogers posted:Not to mention that if some out-of-network randos saw you during your hospital visit, you'd be billed full freight for their services, and that cost wouldn't even count toward your deductible. This. I have "good" employer insurance and it still bankrupted me to the tune of 25k in deductable, double-secret-deductable and out-of-network driveby billing. I've got a treatable condition (arterial-venus malformation in my brain) that will eventually kill me and there's zero chance I'm going to get anything done about it because I don't have another 20-30k and I can't go bankrupt again for another 5 years or whatever the new "gently caress you, poors" period is. Again, that's with insurance. gently caress everyone involved in for-profit healthcare with a MRSA laced catheter. Stereotype posted:Fraudulent loans certainly were a part of it. People had million dollar houses as bartenders. Banks were fraudulently handing out loans like candy because they could securitize them. Then they could pay themselves like kings because they conjured a million dollars out of thin air. It's often repeated, because it seems like mortgages don't get paid -> banks crumble is a logical progression, but mortgages don't get paid all the time and we don't get a 2008-level meltdown every week. Strippers getting NINJA 5-year balloon loans for million dollar houses was a symptom, not a cause.
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enraged_camel posted:The primary reason college became expensive as gently caress is the easy availability of student loans. lol, do the one about raising the minimum wage next
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Doctor Spaceman posted:A contested Dem primary in 2024 has some bad implications about what happens in or after 2020. oh i meant senate
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