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I think alot of people were disappointed that that the suit that was badass in TNO doesn't do poo poo in TNC. Also it's psychologically affecting when your total health can't go past 50. The Old Blood is still my favorite. I always liked the occult and body experimentation of the original and that at least has it. Plus it doesn't bite off more than it can chew with the racism stuff.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The new wolf games have been tonally progressing more towards opposite extremes, and I don't think it's working well. TNO set a good balance between dark humour and legitimately evil but still human Nazis. TOB ramped up the goofiness with the nazi grunt banter and Rudi Jäger, but also ended on an apocalyptic grim note. TNC comes out swinging with a ludicrously dark and savage takedown of nazi America, but after the decapitation it swings wildly in the opposite direction and the game feels like it jackknifed in the process. i mean, id agree with that. the nazis in TNO were people, awful people, but people. 2 has some moments of that. like with some of the nazis chatter on the u boat and other places. i mean to be fair. the nazis were whiny piss babies. GUI posted:BJ remaining mostly oblivious to American bigotry is easily one of the most annoying things about the writing. During the J scene in TNO and the first half of TNC it's tragic - he's so desperate to believe people like his father are a rarity -, but later on in the Horton scene with the drunken argument in the second half it shows he's learned nothing and he comes across as an absolute douche. They try to hint that maybe his faith in America has been shaken with that one line when he kidnaps the actor, but it's never followed through then the game ends. Unlike all the issues I have with this game this could've been easily fixed but I guess spending money on that Anya titty scene was more important??? i mean i get where you are coming from but i am ok with BJ having a captain america type attitude where he still believes in the "ideals" of america even though the real thing is far from it. i think he gets that people were monsters and rolled over for the nazis and even wanted them there, its just he still believes there are people who are willing to fight back.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean i get where you are coming from but i am ok with BJ having a captain america type attitude where he still believes in the "ideals" of america even though the real thing is far from it. i think he gets that people were monsters and rolled over for the nazis and even wanted them there, its just he still believes there are people who are willing to fight back. Yeah this is kind of the way I've interpreted it.
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Jan 4, 2019 04:34
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Yeah this is kind of the way I've interpreted it. its like real life. yeah there are alt right chuds and GOP shitheads, but we also swept the house and trump is loving hated by most people. yeah, there are alot of facist shitheads out there but give enough regular folk hope and show them the monsters face for long enough and they will toss them on their asses. like i am a lefty history nerd and i still believe in the "ideals" of america, sure we have never lived up to them and probably never will but they are good ideals.
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Jan 4, 2019 04:42
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My mom's 72-year-old SO is generally there with bells on for anything that involves shooting, Nazis, or shooting Nazis, so I picked up a cheap copy of TNC for him for Christmas. So far, he's gotten lost five times. Gotta admit, playing on the easiest difficulty does turn it into the Nazi-shooting power fantasy I was hoping for when I first picked it up.
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Jan 4, 2019 05:22
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Arcsquad12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnJBoHVdihg This video is actually really good.
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Jan 4, 2019 05:45
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This is slightly aside from the topic but the YouTube Producer who did that, Errant Signal does excellent reviews and analysis of games of your into that
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Jan 4, 2019 05:55
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Hamburger Sandwich posted:This is slightly aside from the topic but the YouTube Producer who did that, Errant Signal does excellent reviews and analysis of games of your into that Adding to that, check out his video series on 0451, aka "System Shock and Deus Ex inspired games".
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Jan 4, 2019 07:57
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I keep forgetting the Battle Walker was even a thing with how pointless it was outside the bonus perk if you did the side mission. During my first playthrough I went with that shoulder charge "upgrade" and it rarely killed anyone, most of the time they just fell on the ground and would shoot me in the back. The stealth upgrade was the only somewhat decent one.
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Jan 4, 2019 08:16
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Where does Old Blood fit in the timeline? Is it a "remake" of Rtcw or is it just very similar events to that game that takes place after it?
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Jan 4, 2019 20:04
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BJ talks about facing off against Ubersoldats in the X-Labs right in the second level of Old Blood, so RTCW is still canon. TOB happens right before TNO, though.
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Jan 4, 2019 20:09
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The incorporation of the old with the new is all intentionally vague and muddled. Caroline, for example, came from Wolf09 but there's never any talk of the weird, supernatural ghost poo poo they went through.
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Jan 4, 2019 20:17
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You could argue that she didn’t see the Veil dimension stuff (because she physically couldn’t), although she’d have seen its manifestations in the real world (veil-powered weapons and super-soldiers).
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Jan 4, 2019 20:24
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All of the Wolfenstein games from 3D onwards are canon to an extent.
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Jan 4, 2019 22:42
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It's a shame the creator of the original stealth games is dead already.quote:A 1983 hack named Castle Smurfenstein which replaces the Nazis with Smurfs is regarded as one of the earliest examples of the art mod
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Jan 4, 2019 22:54
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blackguy32 posted:Where does Old Blood fit in the timeline? Is it a "remake" of Rtcw or is it just very similar events to that game that takes place after it? It happens just before TNO and isn’t a remake of RTCW. Both happen.
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Jan 4, 2019 22:58
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Yeah, I decided to replay a little of The Old Blood today and got the line about Deathshead's X-labs. I got a bit confused because the opening of The Old Blood plays out just like the Opening to RTCW
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Jan 4, 2019 23:02
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It’s also got some weird overlap - in TOB you literally infiltrate Castle Wolfenstein, which looks a hell of a lot different from the Castle Wolfenstein from RtCW. Also your contact Kessler from the Kreisau Circle in TOB is a character from RtCW, and not only does he look completely different, there’s no mention of you having met each other before. I got nothing. 
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Jan 4, 2019 23:29
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RTCW is 1942, Wolf'09 is 1943, and by 1946 the Nazis in Old Blood had gotten their hands on Da'at Yichud technology and completely overhauled Castle Wolfenstein.
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Jan 4, 2019 23:32
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The third Machinegames entry could still pull out a wild time travel/alt dimension thing to reconcile not just pre-TNO games but also the two timelines from TNO. Basically Enter the Spider-verse but with 5 BJs and a hell of a lot of dead nazis
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Jan 6, 2019 01:28
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Humerus posted:The third Machinegames entry could still pull out a wild time travel/alt dimension thing to reconcile not just pre-TNO games but also the two timelines from TNO.
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In my mind, there are two continuities: One consists of RtCW and Wolf09 while the other consists of Wolf09 and the new games. Wolf09 is clearly both a sequel to RtCW and a prequel to TNO, but there's no way that TNO and RtCW take place in the same universe. There are way too many similarities between RtCW and OB (characters, locations, narrative) for OB to be anything but a re-imagining of RtCW. It would be absolutely ridiculous, even for a Wolfenstein game, for BJ to lose a partner while infiltrating Castle Wolfenstein, meet up with a resistance fighter named Kessler, fight a female occultist named Helga (who is at odds with a sniveling pencil-pusher), visit Wolfburg, battle zombies in a crypt, and put down the ancient evil the Nazis were trying to raise, not once, but twice. As far as I'm concerned, references to the X-labs and other RtCW elements in the new series are just wink-nudge easter eggs rather than an acknowledgment that RtCW is canon to this particular continuity.
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Jimmy Noskill posted:In my mind, there are two continuities: One consists of RtCW and Wolf09 while the other consists of Wolf09 and the new games. Wolf09 is clearly both a sequel to RtCW and a prequel to TNO, but there's no way that TNO and RtCW take place in the same universe. There are way too many similarities between RtCW and OB (characters, locations, narrative) for OB to be anything but a re-imagining of RtCW. It would be absolutely ridiculous, even for a Wolfenstein game, for BJ to lose a partner while infiltrating Castle Wolfenstein, meet up with a resistance fighter named Kessler, fight a female occultist named Helga (who is at odds with a sniveling pencil-pusher), visit Wolfburg, battle zombies in a crypt, and put down the ancient evil the Nazis were trying to raise, not once, but twice. As far as I'm concerned, references to the X-labs and other RtCW elements in the new series are just wink-nudge easter eggs rather than an acknowledgment that RtCW is canon to this particular continuity.
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Humerus posted:The third Machinegames entry could still pull out a wild time travel/alt dimension thing to reconcile not just pre-TNO games but also the two timelines from TNO. One Blascowicz is enough. I feel like there is nowhere for his character to go. TNC would have been a fitting end for him but I felt like the narrative poo poo the bed after those events.
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blackguy32 posted:One Blascowicz is enough. I feel like there is nowhere for his character to go. TNC would have been a fitting end for him but I felt like the narrative poo poo the bed after those events. Yeah. The sequel should have been with a new character, or one of the supporting chars.
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Jimmy Noskill posted:In my mind, there are two continuities: One consists of RtCW and Wolf09 while the other consists of Wolf09 and the new games. Wolf09 is clearly both a sequel to RtCW and a prequel to TNO, but there's no way that TNO and RtCW take place in the same universe. There are way too many similarities between RtCW and OB (characters, locations, narrative) for OB to be anything but a re-imagining of RtCW. It would be absolutely ridiculous, even for a Wolfenstein game, for BJ to lose a partner while infiltrating Castle Wolfenstein, meet up with a resistance fighter named Kessler, fight a female occultist named Helga (who is at odds with a sniveling pencil-pusher), visit Wolfburg, battle zombies in a crypt, and put down the ancient evil the Nazis were trying to raise, not once, but twice. As far as I'm concerned, references to the X-labs and other RtCW elements in the new series are just wink-nudge easter eggs rather than an acknowledgment that RtCW is canon to this particular continuity. It's a video game, these things happen.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:00
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The Freedom Chronicles were a mistake when the main game desperately needed some epilogue material.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The Freedom Chronicles were a mistake when the main game desperately needed some epilogue material. I think that's what the New Blood is. The Freedom Chronicles were still a mistake though. I loved this game and couldn't bring myself to play that DLC.
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Jimmy Noskill posted:In my mind, there are two continuities: One consists of RtCW and Wolf09 while the other consists of Wolf09 and the new games. Wolf09 is clearly both a sequel to RtCW and a prequel to TNO, but there's no way that TNO and RtCW take place in the same universe. There are way too many similarities between RtCW and OB (characters, locations, narrative) for OB to be anything but a re-imagining of RtCW. It would be absolutely ridiculous, even for a Wolfenstein game, for BJ to lose a partner while infiltrating Castle Wolfenstein, meet up with a resistance fighter named Kessler, fight a female occultist named Helga (who is at odds with a sniveling pencil-pusher), visit Wolfburg, battle zombies in a crypt, and put down the ancient evil the Nazis were trying to raise, not once, but twice. As far as I'm concerned, references to the X-labs and other RtCW elements in the new series are just wink-nudge easter eggs rather than an acknowledgment that RtCW is canon to this particular continuity. How many times has Mario gone to the Mushroom Kingdom, fought through a series of thematically-unified regions and castles until beating King Bowser and rescuing the Princess?
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One of the things TNO/TOB (and even TNC) did well is that they're pretty simple stories carried by the character writing. Trying to add convoluted time travel/merging of dimensions or whatever would just overcomplicate things and ruin the simplicity of its predecessors. Some of the weirdness that happens when you put RTCW/W09 (and maybe 3D's if you're feeling feisty) in the same canon as the MachineGames Wolfenstein titles never mattered much to me. I think it adds to BJ's "tired of this poo poo, let me finish this and die" attitude in TOB/TNO if you consider them part of the same canon. If you think about it too hard you'll just go insane and end up like the Wolfenstein wikia people who have 4 separate timelines for RTCW/W09*/MGWolf. * Does anyone remember the Fourth Reich sideplot that was introduced in the Wolfenstein 2009 motion comics in case it did well and Raven got to continue the franchise. No? No one? GUI fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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I take all the games as canon and just use mentally ambiguous time lines. The gist being that poo poo from 3D, RTCW and 09 is “stuff that BJ did/happened to BJ” and let the games pick up from there. I think that’s the designer’s intention as well.
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blackguy32 posted:One Blascowicz is enough. I feel like there is nowhere for his character to go. TNC would have been a fitting end for him but I felt like the narrative poo poo the bed after those events. As long as one Nazi is still breathing, there are places for BJ to go. 
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Arcsquad12 posted:The Freedom Chronicles were a mistake when the main game desperately needed some epilogue material. For sure. I regret buying the Freedom Chronicles, and I love the main game, warts and all.
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God loving dammit, I decided to go for the Mein Leben achievement today and reached the final battle on my first try only to get killed by one of the quad shotgun wielding super soldiers.  Maybe next year.
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Jan 25, 2019 12:24
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I honestly can't imagine a worse use of my time other than actually getting tortured and it sounds pretty close.
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Jan 25, 2019 12:27
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Wolf 09 was a blast, far better than any of these new games TNC is especially infuriating because there is a great game underneath, except it's 5 minute gameplay sessions between a lovely movie
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Jan 29, 2019 10:47
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Probably will get more after Rage 2 is out, since there'll be a bit of a gap for Bethesda published stuff then.
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texting my ex posted:Wolf 09 was a blast, far better than any of these new games Nah TNO is the good one.
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General Battuta posted:Nah TNO is the good one. TNO but with some of the things 09 did better would be optimal.
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