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I had a female friend who worked at Pixar and it made her almost suicidal how horrible it was to be a woman there. She moved on to advertising.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 17:37 |
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Shageletic posted:lol why is it that ppl with bad movie opinions invariably refuse to believe that we need more movies with minority heroes. I know it's trolling/socratic gadflying, but there was a similar line of thought being thrown about in the Black Panther thread and... yeah it's starting to get uncomfortable.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 17:53 |
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It's not trolling. It's racism.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 18:00 |
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Pick posted:It's not trolling. It's racism. Porque no los dos?
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 18:02 |
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If I were president, I would make it a crime for superheroes to be white. Maybe one or two women but they can't look like they're moonlighting from Victoria's Secret.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 18:18 |
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Guy Mann posted:Only Lord worked on this movie, and as a writer. Of the three credited directors of this film, Peter Ramesy is the only one with a previous feature film directing credit for Rise of the Guardians at Dreamworks while Rodney Rothman has mostly been writing and producing in television and Bob Persichetti has been doing storyboard artwork at Dreamworks. Miller was a producer, wasn’t he?
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 18:26 |
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Open Marriage Night posted:Are we allowed to tell you to gently caress off? Well I hope so considering he’s also just wrong. Dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 18:46 |
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Pirate Jet posted:Sure. Congrats. You’ve taken one film criticism class and think you know what you’re talking about. The fact that miles has a different arc of becoming Spider man over Parker doesn’t make him weaker, just different, and the fact that you’re implying it does has some borderline systemic racist undertones Also your last point is dumb and tone deaf to what their saying.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 18:51 |
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Guy Mann posted:Only Lord worked on this movie, and as a writer. Of the three credited directors of this film, Peter Ramesy is the only one with a previous feature film directing credit for Rise of the Guardians at Dreamworks while Rodney Rothman has mostly been writing and producing in television and Bob Persichetti has been doing storyboard artwork at Dreamworks. My brother who’s rather big in the animation world (he’s worked on a ton of stuff) would agree with this. Ton of talented people that for various reasons don’t get their shot at calling the shots, and a lot of movies that could be a lot better are ruined by politics and bad calls from old people at the top. He loves the movie btw.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 18:55 |
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Probably why Pixar hasn't made a good movie since 1995.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 19:02 |
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Pick posted:I had a female friend who worked at Pixar and it made her almost suicidal how horrible it was to be a woman there. She moved on to advertising. This is also true of a story around Brave. Originally a woman was directing it, and then the “old guard” took over it. And she left.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 20:25 |
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For those who haven't seen it, there's actually a pretty long medium post about Pixar's sexist culture from a woman who worked there for 5 years https://byrslf.co/pixars-sexist-boys-club-9d621567fdc9
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 21:23 |
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Guy Mann posted:Only Lord worked on this movie, and as a writer. Of the three credited directors of this film, Peter Ramesy is the only one with a previous feature film directing credit for Rise of the Guardians at Dreamworks while Rodney Rothman has mostly been writing and producing in television and Bob Persichetti has been doing storyboard artwork at Dreamworks. Oh wow, that's even cooler!
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 21:24 |
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LionArcher posted:The fact that miles has a different arc of becoming Spider man over Parker doesn’t make him weaker, just different, and the fact that you’re implying it does has some borderline systemic racist undertones What are they? I don’t understand what you mean and would really like to avoid insinuating anything like that.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 21:55 |
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Pick posted:I had a female friend who worked at Pixar and it made her almost suicidal how horrible it was to be a woman there. She moved on to advertising. Don’t lie about our mutual friend to prove a point in a loving something awful thread
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 22:12 |
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well this just took a turn
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 23:15 |
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Gally posted:Don’t lie about our mutual friend to prove a point in a loving something awful thread It's not the one we mutually know. It's someone I know through Portland. I don't even know where the other is now.
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# ? Jan 5, 2019 23:38 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:well this just took a turn Tbh the person she's talking about wouldn't even remember who I am.
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 00:01 |
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Movie fun. Too busy to get too deep, but very very pretty and well worth seeing just for the spectacle.
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 01:28 |
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FilthyImp posted:I know it's trolling/socratic gadflying, but there was a similar line of thought being thrown about in the Black Panther thread and... yeah it's starting to get uncomfortable. I think the usual argument is that the movie is basically Strong Female Protagonist style *SEXISM IS OVER* except with black people. But frankly it's far better than nothing and not like most people are really going to internalise the more questionable parts of the message that the rest of pop culture and Marvel movies in particular are already putting out anyway. Not sure how you'd do a socialist superhero movie. Except maybe Wonderful 101.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think the usual argument is that the movie is basically Strong Female Protagonist style *SEXISM IS OVER* except with black people. But frankly it's far better than nothing and not like most people are really going to internalise the more questionable parts of the message that the rest of pop culture and Marvel movies in particular are already putting out anyway. Got no fame, no fortune to claim Fighting for the status quo
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 08:10 |
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i was really sleeping on this movie, but decided to check it out due to word of mouth and having nothing better to do. so glad i did, it was an absolute treat. the aesthetics felt new and refreshing, but still showed a love of the source materials. and while the animation itself is getting a lot of well deserved praise i was particularly struck by the direction. the level of dynamism was a treat, especially the way they used three dimensional space. it reminded me a lot of mob psycho 100 in that regard. i think the movie's ambitions exceed its grasp a tad when it comes to the writing though and its frustrating because i have no suggestions. peni, noir, and spider-ham are all fun characters, but they feel underutilized. it was kind of noticeable throughout the film, but it really hit me when peni has to abandon her irreparably damaged mecha before returning to her dimension. it's a bit of an extended sequence that just underlines how little emotional stake i had in the character because there hadn't even been a hint of character development. of course at a two hour runtime they really couldn't afford to spend any more time on those three without seriously testing the attention span of the kids in the audience, and cutting two or three characters loses a good amount of impact of "there are multiple spider-men". the creators strike the best balance they probably could have in that situation, but it still feels frustratingly tacked on. especially when you have both john mulaney and nicholas cage as cartoon pastiches and they collectively have maybe 15 significant lines ungulateman posted:the idea that kids should only be inspired by people that look like them is bad and promotes weird essentialist concepts of race that are totally foreign to me as a non-american what gives off the impression that posters are suggesting kids should only be inspired by people that look like them? i didn't read anything in the anecdote or the follow-up posts that struck me in that way, so i'm curious
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i think the movie's ambitions exceed its grasp a tad when it comes to the writing though and its frustrating because i have no suggestions. peni, noir, and spider-ham are all fun characters, but they feel underutilized. it was kind of noticeable throughout the film, but it really hit me when peni has to abandon her irreparably damaged mecha before returning to her dimension. The takeaway message I got from that scene was underlining the fact that Peni doesn't need her mech suit to be a bad rear end because after Scorpion wrecked the suit she just climbed out, grabbed the nearest blunt object and continued beating the snot out of him, which is also a continuation of the "Anyone can wear the mask (but it's who you are inside that makes you Spider-Man)" theme
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 13:22 |
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Vandar posted:Miller was a producer, wasn’t he? Yes and seems pretty creatively involved from interviews even though he doesn't have a screenplay credit.
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 17:01 |
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This movie was really loving good holy poo poo. I left the movie feeling awestruck.
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 17:06 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The takeaway message I got from that scene was underlining the fact that Peni doesn't need her mech suit to be a bad rear end because after Scorpion wrecked the suit she just climbed out, grabbed the nearest blunt object and continued beating the snot out of him, which is also a continuation of the "Anyone can wear the mask (but it's who you are inside that makes you Spider-Man)" theme She also recovered the suit's "spider" core before returning to her home dimension, so she'll be back in a new suit with the same core.
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 17:48 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Not sure how you'd do a socialist superhero movie. Except maybe Wonderful 101. quote:A six-issue comic, with a view to introducing a new hero into an existing canon.
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 18:03 |
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^^^ Love that pitch, but I hate how it would get mangled if taken on by Marvel: protag would instead be Tony Stark, down on his luck foreman who lost his engineering PhD because alcoholism, or, ScrapIron Man beats down Tony only to learn AIM has infiltrated Stark Enterprises and now the two unlikely allies have to join together to beat down... uh... ModoC (Mental Organism Designed only for Capitalism). Ghost Leviathan posted:I think the usual argument is that the movie is basically Strong Female Protagonist style *SEXISM IS OVER* except with black people. GhostofJohnMuir posted:what gives off the impression that posters are suggesting kids should only be inspired by people that look like them? FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Young Freud posted:She also recovered the suit's "spider" core before returning to her home dimension, so she'll be back in a new suit with the same core. Yeah, as cool as it was to see that style of animation emulated I thought Penni was the weakest link in the cast of Spiders Men. Spider-Noir coming from a literal black and white world and using all sorts of hilarious outdated slang or Ham using cartoon slapstick to fight baddies had actual payoff but "has an annoying squeaky anime voice and blares jpop and makes emoji faces IRL" and her emotional arc being the weeb equivalent of "aw gently caress I wrecked my dead dad's car and I'm really sad, ah well nobody was hurt and now I can build an even better car with the insurance money" was just blehhh even if by being the one who rebuilt the Goober she arguably contributed the most. Apraxin posted:There's always Mieville's pitch for Scrap-Iron Man: If this was real life Scrap Iron Man would be rolling coal with a Q bumper sticker and a MAGA hat and patrolling gated communities looking for MS-13. FilthyImp posted:^^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtntTvuv8Aw
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 19:39 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The takeaway message I got from that scene was underlining the fact that Peni doesn't need her mech suit to be a bad rear end because after Scorpion wrecked the suit she just climbed out, grabbed the nearest blunt object and continued beating the snot out of him, which is also a continuation of the "Anyone can wear the mask (but it's who you are inside that makes you Spider-Man)" theme sure, and of course it plays into the "spider-man always gets back up" theme, but the emotional poignancy they seemed to also be going for in that moment felt very flat
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 22:11 |
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When Peni whacks Scorpion with the robo leg like it ain't no thang, is it because she has spider strength or because it's an anime trope?
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 22:40 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:sure, and of course it plays into the "spider-man always gets back up" theme, but the emotional poignancy they seemed to also be going for in that moment felt very flat I thought it was pretty cool; it was like she was going through her own Big Hero 6 ending in the background.
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# ? Jan 6, 2019 22:44 |
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This winning the best animated film at the Golden Globes made me realize that there's a very good chance that this could take home the Academy Award as well. People say that the Oscars are all about politics and if there's a political environment that could dethrone Disney/Pixar's winning streak it's one where the guy who has been running both of them has been #MeToo'd out of existence and the award show is struggling with fallout over being too white. Though on the other hand The Incredibles 2 is basically tailor-made to appeal to the Academy's demographics so even if its not as good as Spidey I could see being the softball win for that year.
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# ? Jan 7, 2019 03:22 |
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Guy Mann posted:This winning the best animated film at the Golden Globes made me realize that there's a very good chance that this could take home the Academy Award as well. People say that the Oscars are all about politics and if there's a political environment that could dethrone Disney/Pixar's winning streak it's one where the guy who has been running both of them has been #MeToo'd out of existence and the award show is struggling with fallout over being too white. I wish, but it's a snowball's chance in hell. Best Animated Feature is a joke of an award.
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# ? Jan 7, 2019 03:41 |
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Yeah I would assume the Oscars are an "OLD Guard" kind of thing
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# ? Jan 7, 2019 04:19 |
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So a thing I just realised. Aunt May recognised Ock and called her Liv like she says her friends do. Don't Aunt May and Doc Ock have history in most universes?
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A Sometimes Food posted:So a thing I just realised. Aunt May recognised Ock and called her Liv like she says her friends do. Aunt May and Liv dated, confirmed canon.
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A Sometimes Food posted:So a thing I just realised. Aunt May recognised Ock and called her Liv like she says her friends do. Given Spider-Verse May's technical acumen, it's not unreasonable to think they were once friends at some lab. It's also not unreasonable to assume there may be a more personal history, given that things tend to be similar between dimensions and there is, indeed, a romantic link between the two in mainline Spider-Man.
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# ? Jan 7, 2019 05:14 |
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Now Sony, don't let this success go to your head.
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Uncle Wemus posted:Now Sony, don't let this success go to your head. ASM SINISTER SIX MOVIE BACK ON BAY-BAY
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