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This depresses me since while I never got around to playing it, I heard some good things about Battleborn, but it coming out in a similar time-frame as Overwatch really screwed it over. It didn't help that Gearbox wasn't exactly rolling in goodwill at the time either for a variety of issues.
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Jan 3, 2019 23:17
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slime became noteworthy for the same reason as danmachi: it's an upbeat show with a protagonist who earnestly helps others, in a genre where it's incredibly common to have self-important/misanthropic protagonists played straight. stuff like konosuba and re:zero putting their own twists on the kinda lovely isekai protagonist also help them stand out imo, and this is before accounting for the bright spots in the productions of all four shows.
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Jan 3, 2019 23:18
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dogsicle posted:slime became noteworthy for the same reason as danmachi: it's an upbeat show with a protagonist who earnestly helps others, in a genre where it's incredibly common to have self-important/misanthropic protagonists played straight. It helps that in Slime the protagonist is a 37 year old guy who is past ALL of those "phases" associated with the kind of crap associated with the typical MC's of the genre. Edit: About the adoration, it's not so much that he's powerful(they respect him for this, but respect=/=adoration), but that he uses said power ethically and is an all-around decent nice guy who goes out of his way to help people even when it benefits him little if at all sometimes; directly speaking, he really didn't expect anything from helping the goblins, sparing the direwolves, or taking in the ogres. It's pure serendipity of him being a nice guy. doomrider7 fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 23:21
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doomrider7 posted:This depresses me since while I never got around to playing it, I heard some good things about Battleborn, but it coming out in a similar time-frame as Overwatch really screwed it over. It didn't help that Gearbox wasn't exactly rolling in goodwill at the time either for a variety of issues. There was nothing good about Battleborn, trust me.
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Jan 4, 2019 00:21
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Grapplejack posted:There was nothing good about Battleborn, trust me. Ouch. Sucks to hear since it looked good, but softens the blow that things didn't work out.
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Jan 4, 2019 00:23
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Grapplejack posted:There was nothing good about Battleborn, trust me. One or two of the character designs were kinda alright. That's..about it.
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Jan 4, 2019 00:30
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i remember the animated intro for it being kinda cool too
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Jan 4, 2019 00:47
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Julias posted:No, please don't spill this toxic discussion into the seasonal thread, the worst Anime Thread is supposed to be a quarantine chamber for that crap. Shield hero hasn't aired yet, it's your problem not mine
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Jan 4, 2019 03:38
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doomrider7 posted:To elaborate on Slime. It's Sid Meier's Civ combined with the Sims but fantasy with a bit Strategy JRPG and traditional(think 90's and early to mid 00's) JRPG trimmings. I've made some posts explaining a LOT of stuff about the series including some info dumps in the thread for the written material. There's definetly an aspect of chilling out fluff, but that's basically the major appeal to some people since a lot of Isekai have some goal of beating the demon lord or going on some major journey of some sort whereas here it's like I said, he's just playing a more directly involved version of Civ trying to make the best world possible for his people. The thing is, the bolded part isn't actually true. In fact, I can't think of a single isekai web novel that follows the premise straight, while countless follow a premise similar to Slime (where there's some sort of "twist", like the hero being weak to start with, or being a spider, or being a sword, or having a smartphone, or being a vending machine*, etc, and there's usually not much of a plot beyond "just living life in the fantasy world"). "Overpowered MC just travels around and meets random people who all end up liking/loving them, and maybe some sort of plot happens at some point" is also a very common premise. Another very popular isekai web novel with this premise is "Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku." I believe the smartphone one also does something similar. A surprising number of isekai also have protagonists who were adults before reincarnating (both that Death March one and another very popular one, Mushoku Tensei, have pre-reincarnation adult protagonists), which is actually kind of depressing when you think about it - there's apparently a pretty big audience who fantasizes about leaving their stressful adult lives and chilling as a well-liked powerful person in a fantasy world. It seems like there's a trend where the ones with (pre-reincarnation) adult protagonists tend to be about just chilling as a powerful/liked person, while the ones with younger protagonists often focus on themes like "getting revenge on the normies" or "building a slave harem" (like the aforementioned Shield Hero). I can't exactly blame someone for coming away with this perception, though, since nearly all isekai have, as part of their setting, the premise that "reincarnated hero goes on journey to defeat demon lord" is the stereotype they're doing a twist on in some way. But that stereotype isn't actually drawn from other isekai stories; it's drawn from a more general sort of Dragon Quest-inspired fantasy setting. (I actually find the general existence/nature of these web novels kind of interesting for some reason; someone could probably write an essay about what they imply about contemporary Japanese - or Korean/Chinese - society.) * no joke, this is an thing
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Jan 4, 2019 19:34
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Ytlaya posted:The thing is, the bolded part isn't actually true. In fact, I can't think of a single isekai web novel that follows the premise straight, while countless follow a premise similar to Slime (where there's some sort of "twist", like the hero being weak to start with, or being a spider, or being a sword, or having a smartphone, or being a vending machine*, etc, and there's usually not much of a plot beyond "just living life in the fantasy world"). "Overpowered MC just travels around and meets random people who all end up liking/loving them, and maybe some sort of plot happens at some point" is also a very common premise. Another very popular isekai web novel with this premise is "Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku." I believe the smartphone one also does something similar. A surprising number of isekai also have protagonists who were adults before reincarnating (both that Death March one and another very popular one, Mushoku Tensei, have pre-reincarnation adult protagonists), which is actually kind of depressing when you think about it - there's apparently a pretty big audience who fantasizes about leaving their stressful adult lives and chilling as a well-liked powerful person in a fantasy world. It seems like there's a trend where the ones with (pre-reincarnation) adult protagonists tend to be about just chilling as a powerful/liked person, while the ones with younger protagonists often focus on themes like "getting revenge on the normies" or "building a slave harem" (like the aforementioned Shield Hero). It may be odd to bring up favourite shows in this thread, but isekais are getting a bit of a hard time in here right now. One of the best shows of last year and possibly my favourite was an isekai that had strong critiques for the power fantasies and escapism rife in the genre It was Gridman; Gridman is an isekai fight me
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Ytlaya posted:The thing is, the bolded part isn't actually true. In fact, I can't think of a single isekai web novel that follows the premise straight, while countless follow a premise similar to Slime (where there's some sort of "twist", like the hero being weak to start with, or being a spider, or being a sword, or having a smartphone, or being a vending machine*, etc, and there's usually not much of a plot beyond "just living life in the fantasy world"). "Overpowered MC just travels around and meets random people who all end up liking/loving them, and maybe some sort of plot happens at some point" is also a very common premise. Another very popular isekai web novel with this premise is "Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku." I believe the smartphone one also does something similar. A surprising number of isekai also have protagonists who were adults before reincarnating (both that Death March one and another very popular one, Mushoku Tensei, have pre-reincarnation adult protagonists), which is actually kind of depressing when you think about it - there's apparently a pretty big audience who fantasizes about leaving their stressful adult lives and chilling as a well-liked powerful person in a fantasy world. It seems like there's a trend where the ones with (pre-reincarnation) adult protagonists tend to be about just chilling as a powerful/liked person, while the ones with younger protagonists often focus on themes like "getting revenge on the normies" or "building a slave harem" (like the aforementioned Shield Hero). Yeah I kind of messed up on the Isekai thing since that's more of general WN/LN fantasy thing especially in shonen in one way or another, not an isekai one which is so loving weird since yeah the bulk of isekai I read have nothing to do with fighting demons and what not and are SoL in fantasy settings.. Slime does stand out though since prior to his death, Rimuru by his own admission lived a perfectly good and content life. It's one if the things that's made him stand out as a protagonist. That and he wasn't some shut in misanthropic loser, but a normal guy living a normal guy life who happened to have fantasy nerd hobbies and interests. Edit: Yeah that vending machine one is so loving weird. Not read it yet since the concept is weird as loving hell even by my standards. The age thing also varies a bit since there have been teen protags who Isekai and are reincarnated as perfectly good decent people like the pharmacist one, two village building ones, and one about being an inn or restaurant keeper. doomrider7 fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Jan 4, 2019 21:34
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I liked how Tanya the Evil did it where the mc was a successful, functional adult, but was a sadistic rear end in a top hat who got his kicks from firing people.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:37
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My fave thing about Tanya the evil was the fact that the guy was a member of the adam Smith institute
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Jan 5, 2019 02:08
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Worst Anime 2018:
Hakyuu Houshin Engi - Awful editing, weird character designs, and mixes comedy and drama in an especially confusing way. Souten no Ken: Regenesis - The character design is hideous and the general animation quality causes physical pain.
Baki - I get a strong feeling that I'm going to hate and/or be disgusted by the character design. Akkun to Kanojo - Not thrilled by the idea of watching a show centered around presenting what appears to be mindless cruelty as comedy.
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Jan 6, 2019 00:10
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Baki owns, buddy. like yeah I totally get being put off by the character design, some stuff of it def grosses me out, but it's extremely intentional that it looks like That also they made baki really cute which i like
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Jan 6, 2019 00:37
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I'm not the kind of person who powers through series they don't like. I drop stuff. Worst: Darling in the Franxx - It's something of a relief for some reason when I'm not in line with the anime community hivemind on stuff. Franxx never looked good to me, I never understood why people liked it, but I tried it. It's boring, I don't really like the mech designs, and the story to the point I quit was nonsense. Persona 5 - Basically a how-to in how to suck all of the charm out of something. Goblin Slayer - I honestly don't see a problem with having a completely irredeemable antagonist race/group/etc in a fictional story and I'm not a total pedant, so the goblins themselves don't bug me. Goblin Slayer's crime is the most egregious of crimes: Taking interesting or fun premises and being incredibly loving boring. "What if Doomguy but in DnD world and for goblins" is something you could've had a lot of fun with, but this series doesn't. A bog-standard fantasy series about a really skilled dungeoneer who overcomes everything with clever DnD min/maxer trickery would be cool, but that isn't what this is. Making a bog standard fantasy story that is literally about a far lesser enemy that is in fact incredibly dangerous to the world/society when left unchecked is cool, but that isn't what this is. It's just spurts of violence punctuated with fanservice and rape imagery very clearly designed to be titillating because that's incredibly obviously what made the original LN author's dick hard. Combined with it being a dreary, bad looking production overall it just adds up to gigantic wet fart of a series that no one should've been talking about after the first episode. Goblin Slayer loving sucks. Shield Hero is actually worse somehow though. Most Avoided: Zombieland Saga - I don't give a poo poo about Idol series and you can't make me. This is not speaking about its quality however. Baki - Just not a series I was ever really into and I checked out the instant I heard it was mostly CG. I heard it ended up looking alright though? FLCL Alternative/Progressive - Looked bad and is flat out at the top of the list of stuff that did not need a sequel. Honorable Mention: Since it's ongoing, Black Clover. Basically take a marginally better-than-mediocre battle shounen and utterly destroy it in the most classic method possible- making it a cheap-looking ongoing production rife with filler/paddiing. Black Clover gets by on its lightning-fast pacing and Pierrot did their absolute best to destroy that. Also Black Clover is almost entirely outsourced and understaffed, so it looks like complete trash for 95% of its current run. This series got done dirty in the absolute worst way and deserved better. Bort is sequel trash and Pierrot trotted out their entire stable of talented staff for it instead of using it to help the actual new series that people actually seem to buy volumes for (even if BC borrows incredibly heavily from Bort's Dad). Fabricated fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Jan 6, 2019 01:30
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The Persona 5 anime was such a disappointment. Even the anime cutscenes included in the game were more entertaining than the actual anime.
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Jan 6, 2019 03:10
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I didn't watch a whole lot so "worst" is a little strong, but anyway: The Junji Ito Collection - I LOVE Junji Ito manga and this was just a waste. Just a minimum effort, no creativity adaptation. Essentially just tracing the manga pages in order to animate them in the most stiff and boring way possible. Like, can you imagine some of his stories come to life, how the weird creatures would move, what they would sound like? These guys didn't. Osomatsu S2 - Did they fire the good writers or did they just run out of ideas? There were a handful of good skits but overall the jokes fell flat or were painfully lame. WTF was that BA NA NA bit about? Or the Jyushimatsu dolphin skit that just. kept. going. even. though. it's. not. funny. to. begin. with. Sanrio Boys- More of a "so bad it's good" show, they try SO HARD to make the characters have significant, emotional connections to Hello Kitty characters, and show how fun and magical it is to buy merchandise, and how life changing and mind blowing it is to go to Sanrio Puroland and watch some dumb rear end Hello Kitty parade. It's pure advertising and pandering and painfully hilarious. It's stupid as poo poo and I can't wait for S2. Most Avoided: Happy Sugar Life - Oh is it some interesting psychological thriller? Oh, no, sorry, just dumb pedo poo poo. Excuse me. Uzumaid - Oh a funny comedy with a cool looking butch lesbian? Oh what, more dumb pedo poo poo? My mistake.. Goblin Slayer - This is porn, right? Guy with a single minded obsession who happens to be the smartest guy in the room at all times, every girl wants him, lives in monster rape fetish world. Everything else is just window dressing. The only thing that surprises me is that people are talking about it alongside regular degular anime and not big rear end anime teen chased by lesbian loving GOBLIN on hoverboard then hosed.
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Jan 6, 2019 06:04
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Endorph posted:franxx has an explicitly gay couple which means shinzo abe would probably sentence the creators to death if he could Well, it also had the lesbian character lamenting how terrible she is for being queer and how she's like the extremely queer and evil villain squad, and her friend reassuring her that it's okay, they're all terrible in their own ways, implicitly putting "being a lesbian" on the same level of badness of all the hosed up poo poo the other characters have done. Also even after it's explicit that she's a lesbian she still has to spend every combat scene in a position that looks like she's getting hosed by a male character. Then in the end they finally let her have a girlfriend but also she's gonna die early (and is the only one of the surviving kids to be in this position despite her managing to figure out a way to save the others from a similar fate), and somehow people use this as an argument that the show is supportive of queer people and none of the other stuff (i.e. the entire rest of the show up to that point) counts. Then there's the 9's, who are heavily queer-coded (such as by having the guys "bottoming" in the fuckrobots) as a way of making them seem strange and sinister, and whose lack of regard for traditional gender roles and heteronormative relationships is explicitly treated as villainous and denounced by the heroes. They even play relationship police and crash a wedding the good guys were holding. Then some of them get horribly murdered and the rest realize the error of their ways and sacrifice themselves to save the main characters, a sacrifice that is not worth mentioning in the finale. So, yeah, nth-ing FranXX as my vote for worst anime that I actually watched; for obvious reasons I avoided Goblin Slayer and didn't even hear about some of the others people mentioned here, and while I watched it a few months after everyone else Made in Abyss was a 2017 anime so I'm a year late to vote for it. I didn't watch too much anime in general really, so, yeah, DitF gets the only vote I'm casting here.
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Jan 6, 2019 06:09
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The more I hear about Darling in the Franxx the more it loving pisses me off since it looked really loving dope, but loving hell man REALLY?!Roland Jones posted:Well, it also had the lesbian character lamenting how terrible she is for being queer and how she's like the extremely queer and evil villain squad, and her friend reassuring her that it's okay, they're all terrible in their own ways, implicitly putting "being a lesbian" on the same level of badness of all the hosed up poo poo the other characters have done. Also even after it's explicit that she's a lesbian she still has to spend every combat scene in a position that looks like she's getting hosed by a male character. Then in the end they finally let her have a girlfriend but also she's gonna die early (and is the only one of the surviving kids to be in this position despite her managing to figure out a way to save the others from a similar fate), and somehow people use this as an argument that the show is supportive of queer people and none of the other stuff (i.e. the entire rest of the show up to that point) counts. Like WTF?!!
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Jan 6, 2019 06:53
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darling in the franxx was better than the avg anime manages to be for like the first two thirds of its runtime
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Jan 6, 2019 06:58
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it mostly stumbled around slowly trickling out the lovely gender ideas in a way that made you think they might meaningfully address them further down the road when the kids rebel from their lovely society or whatever. more of a death by a thousand cuts, since that stuff either didn't come to pass or was offscreened between the series "end" and epilogue thing
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Jan 6, 2019 07:08
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RME posted:darling in the franxx was better than the avg anime manages to be for like the first two thirds of its runtime Literal nothingness is a better anime than the average anime. The average anime is a waste of time and resources.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:13
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Yeah, it had some decent points too, enough for me to try to be cautiously optimistic despite... A lot of weirdness and uncomfortable bits, but then it hugely let me down in that respect.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:15
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Roland Jones posted:Yeah, it had some decent points too, enough for me to try to be cautiously optimistic despite... A lot of weirdness and uncomfortable bits, but then it hugely let me down in that respect. This in a nutshell is why I spoil certain shows for myself. Case in point, people rec'd Shield Douche a lot and I even had it on my "to read" list some years ago. The last year or the year before, I read the tropes page and nope'd the gently caress right out of that one. I'd rather be spoiled and not waste my time than waste my time hoping something delivers only for it to be poo poo.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:26
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mostly i just remember the boys vs girls episode being a standout, and zorome/miku being the best pair. there was plenty of interesting stuff to explore with the gays but ikuno gets sidelined and mitsuru never really explores his feelings for hiro, then slots into the "gosh i really want to engage in heteronormativity" plotline.
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Jan 6, 2019 07:31
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RME posted:darling in the franxx was better than the avg anime manages to be for like the first two thirds of its runtime this feels vague enough to not really mean anything Captain Cappy posted:Literal nothingness is a better anime than the average anime. The average anime is a waste of time and resources. hrm. Imo the average anime is an okayish thing that kinda rolls over most people but has some ideas or characters that strike a chord with some at least a little
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Jan 6, 2019 07:38
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remember when the blue one did a bad and people lost their poo poo for all of a week
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Jan 6, 2019 07:39
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Darling is either going to be bad to you or like me, just a strong disappointment because it had the potential and the presentation to at least be something of some significance. It isn't like Black Clover, something that was by the numbers and embarrassing from the beginning and only solidified itself as the most generic shonen trash yet crafted. It had potential and it crashed and burned.
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Jan 6, 2019 08:13
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Crabtree posted:Darling is either going to be bad to you or like me, just a strong disappointment because it had the potential and the presentation to at least be something of some significance. It isn't like Black Clover, something that was by the numbers and embarrassing from the beginning and only solidified itself as the most generic shonen trash yet crafted. It had potential and it crashed and burned. Stuff like that disappoints and angers me more than anything else. Funny thing is that this recent influx of lovely fantasy stuff like G. Slayer and Shield Douche have actually made me want to watch Fairy Tail for some reason. Like for all the issues it has, it's at least upbeat and not a loving grody edgefest that makes me feel bad.
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Jan 6, 2019 08:28
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Roland Jones posted:Well, it also had the lesbian character lamenting how terrible she is for being queer and how she's like the extremely queer and evil villain squad, and her friend reassuring her that it's okay, they're all terrible in their own ways, implicitly putting "being a lesbian" on the same level of badness of all the hosed up poo poo the other characters have done. Also even after it's explicit that she's a lesbian she still has to spend every combat scene in a position that looks like she's getting hosed by a male character. Then in the end they finally let her have a girlfriend but also she's gonna die early (and is the only one of the surviving kids to be in this position despite her managing to figure out a way to save the others from a similar fate), and somehow people use this as an argument that the show is supportive of queer people and none of the other stuff (i.e. the entire rest of the show up to that point) counts. endorph i thought you said it had cool lesbians!!
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Jan 6, 2019 08:35
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ikuno is cool, she just... was done dirty by the show
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dogsicle posted:ikuno is cool, she just... was done dirty by the show Basically. I liked Ikuno a lot, she was one of my favorite characters of the bunch really, which made the stuff there even more frustrating.
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Roland Jones posted:Well, it also had the lesbian character lamenting how terrible she is for being queer and how she's like the extremely queer and evil villain squad, and her friend reassuring her that it's okay, they're all terrible in their own ways, implicitly putting "being a lesbian" on the same level of badness of all the hosed up poo poo the other characters have done. Also even after it's explicit that she's a lesbian she still has to spend every combat scene in a position that looks like she's getting hosed by a male character. Then in the end they finally let her have a girlfriend but also she's gonna die early (and is the only one of the surviving kids to be in this position despite her managing to figure out a way to save the others from a similar fate), and somehow people use this as an argument that the show is supportive of queer people and none of the other stuff (i.e. the entire rest of the show up to that point) counts. the show objectively has a canonically gay character who is treated as something resembling a human being. that is far too much for shinzo abe, whose party has literally wished for the death of all homosexuals and he has only condemned in the most mealymouthed, doing as little as possible ways. this is why the shinzo abe jokes arent funny, and why they are too harsh to the writers of franxx, who are complete morons who need to read a book that doesn't have a robot on the cover, but not literal monsters, especially given that a lot of the push-and-pull of franxx's 'takes' on gender can be attributed to it being a completely unfocused production that existed primarily for the sake of existing, versus trying to make any kind of point. Eej posted:endorph i thought you said it had cool lesbians!! Endorph fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 6, 2019 |
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Jan 6, 2019 10:54
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Captain Cappy posted:Literal nothingness is a better anime than the average anime. The average anime is a waste of time and resources.
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Endorph posted:so are you the arbiter of which anime are wastes of time and resources, or is there a committee This thread is the committee Captain Cappy posted:Literal nothingness is a better anime than the average anime. The average anime is a waste of time and resources. HAha yeah dude nothing matters and life is worthless
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Jan 6, 2019 22:23
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I mean Berserk absolutely plays sexual menace up for titillation, goes to that well again and again (and only contextualizes it meaningfully about 50% of the time while the other half is the trolls or rape horse or the demon-maker cauldron in the Kushan arc) and some of the stuff with the Kushans is really uncomfortable in its depiction of a race of Middle Eastern-analogy people as demon-following BDSM savages. The Kushans aren't Middle Eastern based, they're South Asian (think India).
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doomrider7 posted:Stuff like that disappoints and angers me more than anything else. Funny thing is that this recent influx of lovely fantasy stuff like G. Slayer and Shield Douche have actually made me want to watch Fairy Tail for some reason. Like for all the issues it has, it's at least upbeat and not a loving grody edgefest that makes me feel bad. I think I'm gonna try Rave Master again because its starting to feel like the only things that get animated are revenge fantasies.
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