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Best Not WWE Name This poll is closed. |
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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
| Titan |
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12 | 7.19% |
| Stamford |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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Jan 7, 2019 02:54
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ow. ouch. gently caress why are you making me choose between these terrible things. Vickie by a nose. As soon as she got her degree, she was gone and forgotten. Booker, they've financially taken care of post-wrestling.
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Jan 7, 2019 03:07
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coconono posted:Booker, they've financially taken care of post-wrestling. this is a really tough call but I used this to decide
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Jan 7, 2019 04:20
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it’s at the point where every choice is difficult and I just look at my phone blankly for about 30 seconds wondering why I’ve given WWE any money. I still watch PPVs at a local bar as a social event and if I can get free tickets to a show from a crew member I will, but they definitely don’t get any cash from me any longer.
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Jan 7, 2019 06:00
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I went with Vickie. The racism was at least just one feud and overall Booker had a very successful career but Vickie was a constant joke
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Jan 7, 2019 06:49
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The Booker thing was like two, three months, whereas the Vickie stuff lasted years. It was like a sous vide of awful comedy and misogyny.
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Jan 7, 2019 07:29
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Going with Booker on this one. Because in a certain light it could be argued that Vickie was just a really, really good heel and her treatment fell within normal parameters of heel heat/comeuppance. But of course the counterargument is that years of body shaming is outside those parameters, which is valid and true. Regardless of the validity of the statement (totally valid here btw) a question of the underlying philosophy of 'how hosed up is it to send somebody out into a crowd for the express purpose of being hated and embarrassed. Where are the lines? Are there lines?" has to be brought up. It's an uncomfortable question that possibly doesn't have a good answer. Or maybe the answer is just 'Things that can be constituted as personal attacks attacking things the person has little/no control over, like race, body type, age etc' There's no deconstruction in the case of Booker/HHH. Just racism and a gigantic shithead who can be a racist rear end in a top hat and live a charmed life free of repercussion regardless. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jan 7, 2019 |
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Jan 7, 2019 08:16
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If HHH wasn't running the company I'd probably have gone with Vicky, but the fact he easily got away with this poo poo and is now in an even better position to do it again made me vote for the HHH/Booker racism feud.
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Jan 7, 2019 16:01
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I Before E posted:a sous vide of awful comedy and misogyny. Thread title please. I voted for Vickie because Booker has been given spots on preshows and commentary that he clearly doesn't deserve, though that in itself is racist because WWE mandated at least one black person on the commentary teams up until recently.
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Jan 7, 2019 17:04
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Jan 7, 2019 19:26
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Was just randomly reading 1997 Observers and came upon this letter after Austin's neck got hosed up from the piledriver:quote:August 25, 1997: Good to know that less than 2 years later, in a match with one of those same participants, WWE would conclusively answer all those questions and how they would react during a PPV when something awful happened.
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Jan 7, 2019 19:39
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Tato posted:Was just randomly reading 1997 Observers and came upon this letter after Austin's neck got hosed up from the piledriver: Your post definitely skewed me towards picking Owen so thanks. The other reason I picked Owen's death was because there was a much larger culture of rampant steroid abuse in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s that was systemic in Athletics. MLB didn't have any real drug program in place until about 2006 and while I can't remember what the NFL had (if anything), I can't imagine it was good. I wouldn't say I'd give WWE a pass, but steroid abuse wasn't their invention whereas Owen's Death is 100 percent on them forcing a guy to do a dangerous stunt that he didn't want to do.
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Jan 7, 2019 19:45
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Also reading the old Observers has shown me that although it resulted in some stupid visuals at times, WCW pretty much always made sure Sting was safely and securely harnessed before ever doing anything with him. Even when it led to him having to stand around and look stupid while getting into/out of the harness or needing to be in a specific spot to be lifted and not hit anything on the way back up, it was always kept safe. By the time the next week rolled around, everyone would forget about it anyway and just remember that Sting came in and not that he had to shuffle in place for a minute. Just reiterates how incredibly not worth it the quick release harness deal was for something that wouldn't even be remembered the next night even if it had gone smoothly. Shockingly, WCW stunt safety went out the window mainly AFTER Owen died when they wanted wrestlers driving monster trucks and vehicles in ice and punching windows, etc.
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Jan 7, 2019 20:06
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It's hard to get me to vote against the scenario were WWE was basically told "No, seriously, don't do that, you'll kill someone" and killed someone while coming dangerously close to killing two other people in the process. Well, at least until it ends up against the ring boy stuff. THAT will be a tough one.
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Jan 7, 2019 20:21
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Tato posted:
Around the time they hired Vince Russo?
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Jan 7, 2019 20:43
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Tato posted:Was just randomly reading 1997 Observers and came upon this letter after Austin's neck got hosed up from the piledriver: apropos of not much, I think the dude whose letter you quoted also goes by Svengoolie; he’s the host of a horror movie show he’s had Mick Foley on as a guest so at least OTE didn’t completely ruin wrestling for him 
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Jan 7, 2019 23:00
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ty i found more svengoolie letters haha 
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Jan 7, 2019 23:45
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That comment from Dave. And people still think Bret should've drop it to Shawn.
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Jan 7, 2019 23:58
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Owen should win obviously but pre-Benoit Wellness was incredibly lovely behavior. Eddy dropping dead wasn't the wakeup call and certainly not the dozens who died off the roster. It took a mother and child getting murdered for them to even slightly clean up their problem.
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Jan 8, 2019 01:43
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Only because he was working for them. Eddy they were like “well he had problems so we fired him and he got better and came back so it was a real tragedy Gee who woulda thunk it” Benoit they leaned hard into the steroid conspiracy stuff and really tried to obsfucate that they had zero wellness checks because Benoit had all the warning signs of being brain damaged bonkers.
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Jan 8, 2019 02:41
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And like even before Eddie they had Pillman. Back in those days we just had websites up running deadpools for wrestlers. It was some dark, dark poo poo.
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Jan 8, 2019 03:20
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STAC Goat posted:And like even before Eddie they had Pillman. Back in those days we just had websites up running deadpools for wrestlers. It was some dark, dark poo poo. we had yearly deadpool prediction threads on these forums
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Jan 8, 2019 03:42
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cool quote in the observer throwbackquote:Vince McMahon in Media Week: "Football is a man's game. Don't put a woman on the sidelines to tell me about football. It's offensive. She might know more about the game than I do. But quite frankly, when she tells me she does, I resent her all the more. She's never played the game. When a woman tells me about football, I just think it's bad programming."
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Jan 8, 2019 03:53
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Oh in the throwback issue. I actually assumed it a fresh quote and wasn't surprised at all.
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Jan 8, 2019 03:56
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I question if Vince has even played football casually.
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Jan 8, 2019 04:05
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Vince McMahon gets upset if women tell him things even if he acknowledges they're smarter than him? I'm shocked.
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Jan 8, 2019 04:21
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TV Zombie posted:I question if Vince has even played football casually. Dave has said repeatedly that Vince's knowledge of football is all from Football players that became wrestlers. It's the only football players he can name when he's asked about his favorite
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Jan 8, 2019 04:35
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This will be a battle. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1082478985165131776
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Jan 8, 2019 04:40
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MassRafTer posted:This will be a battle. I went with Unleash your Warrior here but it was a tough choice. Something just feels even worse about using a White Supremacist to honor cancer survivors. One who wised Bobby the Brain died of Cancer
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Jan 8, 2019 04:42
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I voted Unleash Your Warrior since the Komen stuff is underrepresented compared to the many entries about exploiting wrestler deaths
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Jan 8, 2019 04:43
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The only reason I'm giving Pillman the edge here, other than it prompting a stronger reaction when I first saw it, is because at the very least someone somewhere might have benefitted from Unleash Your Warrior. UYW only works because of the Warrior name and the imagery of Warrior doing his thing. While he was a piece of poo poo, only the most smarkiest of people have any clue to what extent. I don't see any redeeming qualities or lipstick on the pig for Pillman - it's just ugly all around. edit: VVV gently caress, that's a good point luchadornado fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Jan 8, 2019 04:48
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it bothers me more that wwe gets good publicity from that stuff
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Jan 8, 2019 04:49
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this thing is a fuckin dead heat
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Jan 8, 2019 06:18
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I honestly couldn't decide on this one (and Booker vs Vickie). If you asked me again five minutes after voting I probably would've changed my mind a few more times. So, er, well done guys I guess!
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Jan 8, 2019 08:06
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Ideally this tournament would have been divided into The Labor Region, The Misogyny Region, The Racism Region, and the Death Region, so dead heats like this would be saved for the final four instead of the elite eight
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Jan 8, 2019 09:08
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I went with UYW because it fees particularly WWE whereas grief porn is big standard for American media.
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Jan 8, 2019 14:28
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I Before E posted:Ideally this tournament would have been divided into The Labor Region, The Misogyny Region, The Racism Region, and the Death Region, so dead heats like this would be saved for the final four instead of the elite eight We've had a few dead heats so far and 3 of the 4 Elite 8 matches look like they'll be the same. Could organize the tournament a bunch of different ways and there were going to be brutal early matches.
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Jan 8, 2019 15:37
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I went with the Warrior thing because, while Melanie Pillman on RAW is gross as hell, the whole giving people with cancer tshirts and poo poo but not helping with treatment or researching cures is immensely hosed up.
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Jan 8, 2019 16:12
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The Pillman thing is interesting to read through. The immediate week of, everyone seemed to be too shell shocked and reeling to even coherently think about it or react to it. However, by the time a week passed, the grossness of it became more apparent. Especially with how WWE hyped it for ratings throughout the RAW.quote:Wrestling Observer October 20, 1997 quote:I have mixed feelings about the way Vince McMahon handled the situation. He could have canceled or postponed the PPV show, which everyone would have understood considering the circumstances. But he didn’t. After all, the WWF set a new attendance record in St. Louis and since this was a PPV, the financial bath he would have taken had he canceled a PPV show would have been huge and the damage could have been irreparable. The ten-count ceremony the next night with the faces and heels standing together in unison was a class act. But it should have stopped there. The Melanie Pillman interview was unnecessary, and at times, downright cruel. She may have consented to do the interview, but why am I inclined to believe that there wasn’t at least some pressure from McMahon for her to go on television the night after her husband had died. If McMahon even thought for a second about using the death as a ploy to pump up the ratings, he’s a very sick individual who deserves all the misfortune and troubles the wrestling war has laid out on him. Tato fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Jan 8, 2019 16:18
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I find it impossible to interpret the Melanie Pillman interview as anything other than a live broadcast of what amounts to extortion Vince is asking a widow how she will support her children, within 24 hours of her husband's death, knowing fully well that she will be dependent on him. His other questions are all obvious attempts to have her blame Brian's death on anyone and anything except the WWE. The whole thing has been played up throughout Raw, just to squeeze that little extra drop of ratings out of the tragedy. It's the worst. I hate it. I hate it so loving much.
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