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Augus posted:if only we all could be so lucky to have a fanclub that seek out threads to drop into and stan for our terrible posts This post is great because it's clear you think it's uncool to stand up for posters you like. Like you're all cool and no caps posting like it's the raddest thing in the world, where what you're doing is backing a forum moderator banning someone for a month. Yeah dude real rad. Me standing up for the poster? That's dumb and not cool, it's "stanning" (lmao. You dickhead). (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Amethyst posted:what you're doing is backing a forum moderator banning someone for a month The horror.
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Necrothatcher posted:The horror. It's not horrifying. it is incredibly loving lame though, and the fact that he thinks it's cool is really funny.
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Amethyst posted:This post is great because it's clear you think it's uncool to stand up for posters you like. Like you're all cool and no caps posting like it's the raddest thing in the world, where what you're doing is backing a forum moderator banning someone for a month. Yeah dude real rad. Me standing up for the poster? That's dumb and not cool, it's "stanning" (lmao. You dickhead). yeah it's really weird
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Spider-Man is the best and I love him and this movie also loves him and is the best and I love this movie and it loves me. 
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Four year old child watching this thread: Whoa, look at BotL go! He's shitposting like crazy! Oh man he got the big three oh!! Internet weirdo looking on: Pfft, he didn't earn that
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Amethyst posted:It's not horrifying. it is incredibly loving lame though, and the fact that he thinks it's cool is really funny. Shut the gently caress up.
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Stop letting the BotL re-reg poo poo up the thread with racism. Put him on ignore, let everyone know, and keep talking about how loving cool this movie is. Edit: Content https://twitter.com/skeletoon/status/1081560093378789379 SomeJazzyRat fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Jan 8, 2019 02:18
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Amethyst posted:This is pure conjecture. Apparently this counts as constructive though, and not talking about the text. Sarcasm aside, my point (since you’re either being disingenuous or thick) is that having non white (and none male and non binary) heroes is important, and a fair representation of people who don’t look like Chris Evans is long overdue. That’s (one of) the reasons why black panther was so universally loved, as is this film, and Get Out, Representation does matter, and you only need to look at black film twitter (or black twitter in general) to see why. The earlier example in this thread of the 4 year old is a perfect example of this.
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SomeJazzyRat posted:Stop letting the BotL re-reg poo poo up the thread with racism. Put him on ignore, let everyone know, and keep talking about how loving cool this movie is. I think it’s fascinating that Prowler (distinct from Aaron) is a character who’s basically, like, 70% sound design. Visually, he’s not all that imposing at all; gangling of limb, goofy cape, ill-fitting mask. With the addition of a single sound, though, he goes from being laughable to utterly terrifying. There’s something primal and disturbing about that noise, and it’s great how effective it is.
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Jan 8, 2019 02:25
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I'd say there's also something about the way he moves that turns a design that doesn't appear that intimidating into something terrifying.
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SirSamVimes posted:I'd say there's also something about the way he moves that turns a design that doesn't appear that intimidating into something terrifying. The way he moves is basically Batman (dramatic leaps/broody perching) with a bit of Wolverine (or maybe anime) thrown in (running hunched over with his claws extended). I don’t think that would have worked alone, though, since you’ve still got his character design actively working against you there.
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https://twitter.com/Bakestain/status/1080139252439154695 this is so cool edit: and it's canon: https://twitter.com/philiplord/status/1079878119761227776 hiddenriverninja fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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That's a nice short. Good use of comedy with the mirror, too. Also, super dorky, but apparently making an Original Arachnid Character Do Not Steal (AKA Spidersona) on Twitter is a thing since the movie came out??
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FilthyImp posted:That's a nice short. It's something that was explicitly pushed on social media as an extension of the movie's "anyone can wear the mask" through line. It's not my thing but making fan characters is the way that some people engage media and both them and the people who made the movie seem to be enjoying it. https://twitter.com/hashtag/spidersona
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let me tell you why this 4 yr old kid like a cartoon for children. i assure you my explanation is the only correct one. \/\/\/ edit its funny that you think literally any dissenting view is an attack on black people and not simply an attack on your lovely opinion banned from Starbucks fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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oh my god some people hate black people so much  jesus christ didn't you see we've already got tfr??
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Pick posted:oh my god some people hate black people so much Does that person actually hate black people? Or do you just enjoy calling people racist? Honestly.
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drat hosed up that aunt may is QAnon Also I never expected this of all threads to go from zero to massive disproportionate drama in 25 pages
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This film was truly marvelous and I had such a great time in the cinema! I have been on a spree of enjoying myself in cinemas lately but this knocked it out of the park. It is always a pleasure to see inventive use of colours, angles and screenshots and a comic book movie is the perfect playground for such a thing. I think this is why the Lego Batman movie and this movie work so much better than their live action counterparts. The freedom to be more involved in blurring the lines between the page and the screen is much easier to do when you have a multimillion dollar storyboard consisting of 'actors/actresses' you have complete control over. It was funny and sad and horrifying and all around a wonderfully told and executed tale. This is my favourite version of any animated Spider-man and I put it right alongside Homecoming as my favourite live action Spider-man. Moore's Miles and Holland's Peter are both my favourite interpretations of their respective Spider-men and I wish for more from both! Also I really hope this wins the Oscar for best animated picture!
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I Before E posted:drat hosed up that aunt may is QAnon It's because one guy is weird and miserable about popular culture and enterainment and he has a legion of hangers on who swarm in whenever he is locked away in back in his ivory tower to continue in his place. Just put em all on ignore and move on.
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Hungry enough for content that I watched a McDonalds ad just because it had some original animation in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAGEEAAVe44
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Pick posted:oh my god some people hate black people so much Let's calm down with calling people racist so quickly. It makes it harder to find the actual racist posts, which I take seriously.
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Sony was really keen to do an "Aunt May, Super Spy" prequel/spinoff from the Amazing Spider-Man films a few years ago so maybe they'll do a Spider-Verse prequel now instead
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Sony was really keen to do an "Aunt May, Super Spy" prequel/spinoff from the Amazing Spider-Man films a few years ago so maybe they'll do a Spider-Verse prequel now instead It's crazy how not even like two years ago Sony's Spider-Man movie concepts were still a laughingstock and now they dropped the best Spider-Man movie PERIOD by orders of magnitude and one of the best comic book movies ever made.
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Neo Rasa posted:It's crazy how not even like two years ago Sony's Spider-Man movie concepts were still a laughingstock and now they dropped the best Spider-Man movie PERIOD by orders of magnitude and one of the best comic book movies ever made. They’ve produced two of the best Spider-Man films within a span of a year and a half...and one inexplicably but undeniably popular Venom film.
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Venom's a lot like Ghost Rider where it's mostly carried by the lead being a good hammy actor with cool powers and good effects.
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I enjoyed the movie a lot as well, but I'd like to pick up a discussion again that was already in the thread before (I read it all, bad and good). It's about Prowler's motivations. I thought the movie was doing Aaron a bit of a disservice by leaving it completely open as to why he turned to crime. I get that "pays well" is good enough motivation for many people, and when I was talking about it with my wife after watching it she also said that it made perfect sense for her in that way. After thinking about it a little, I also noticed that he probably could only afford his nice apartment because of the Prowler stint. But it still left me wanting more; Aaron seemed to be stuck in an unfortunate place between mentor/father figure For Whom Things End Badly, and Henchman, Who Cares About Him As A Person. To contrast within the movie itself, Doc Ock is not given a motivation either, but that doesn't bother me for two reasons: - she is a bit of a cipher in that she's a scientist that doesn't care about ethics, only about her awesome research, which you've seen a billion times before and you don't really need her giving a speech about how those RULES are RESTRICTING her GENIUS, and additionally she's a version of an established character so she's probably gonna have a similar backstory anyway. - she is never portrayed as sympathetic and/or personally important to the characters, so her going "um...I'm evil actually" isn't much of a gutpunch to anyone and not meant as more of a "betcha didn't see this one coming!" twist. Aaron however is NOT a cipher, because the mentor who is secretly evil doesn't apply really, as he is working for the bad guys in a way that's totally unrelated to him being a mentor to Miles; he never ever brings up anything Prowler- or Fisk-related to him, like trying to corrupt him or whatever, which is good, but makes the conflict between his "good guy who's a positive influence" and "brutal enforcer who enjoys his job and follows the bad guy's orders" sides much more jarring. I was basically trying to remember any sign that he might have some demons hidden from his dialogue and came up blank. Even something as simple like him going "sometimes you have to take dirty jobs to make a living" when he and Miles were going down into the subway tunnels would have satisfied me. Even when he died in Miles' arms, he didn't get any resolution or explanation, and that irked me. It seemed he could have been more layered by not leaving it completely open. I know that last time this argument was brought up, people kept shooting it down with "this is how you get ten-minute flashback scenes" but that's really not what I'm asking for at all - I think that if the Occam's razor explanation is "he did it for the money" and I'm supposed to be satisfied with that, it's a worse reason than something like the social pressure forcing him to, or Fisk giving him a chance when not even his own brother would, or whatever. Yeah, I can make that up myself, but I honestly don't want to - it feels like I'm writing fanfiction in my head for a character that IS already plenty complex and really shouldn't need it, but there's this one piece of info missing. To bring it back to Liv again, I love how there's implied history/rivalry/maybe even romance with Aunt May just from a single word uttered by the latter, you can read so much into that, it's still open for interpretation, it's not a ten-minute flashback, but it's there, and Aaron doesn't get anything like it.
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To quote Zangief from Wreck-It Ralph: Just because you are a bad guy, doesn't mean you're a bad guy. I don't see a dichtomy, at all. He's a chill, easy-going dude who earned his money as a hyper-competent enforcer. He doesn't have to tell Miles about doing dirty jobs to fit that role. In fact, it would make him a worse uncle, because his entire non-Prowler scene is him seeing that Miles is stressed out and helping him find a release. What good would it do to stop all that to say "sometimes you gotta do dirty jobs, kid." Also, said release involves trespassing and defacing property, so it's not like Uncle Aaron is a goody two-shoes either. He's explicitly on the outs with the policeman father to boot. The film shows us that Uncle Aaron is a guy who cares about his family and a guy who doesn't really care about the law.
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Miles is caught in between his dad and his uncle. his dad represents a rigid rule-based way of life while his uncle represents a laid-back life of freedom. Neither of them are exactly right for Miles. It seems like Aaron got stuck doing a dirty job in order to get by. I don’t think the specifics are important, what’s important is what he represents to his family. Aaron helps nurture Miles’s creativity but also helps him put things off. To Miles his death is a cautionary tale of what could happen if he keeps on running away from his problems. Jefferson’s rigid way of thinking pushes Miles to do the right thing, but it also makes him emotionally distant in a way that alienates his family and makes Miles feel stifled. He doesn’t approve of his brother’s lifestyle so he distances himself from him. Then the next time he sees him he’s dead in an alleyway, dressed like a supervillain. To Jefferson, this represents the consequence of letting your family slip away from you. It’s what pushes him to open up to Miles and encourage him to be himself. The important thing here is accepting your failures and making things right by being a better person. Aaron takes a bullet to save his nephew and tells him he can be better than his uncle. Jefferson changes to be less of an unapproachable authority figure. Meanwhile, Kingpin’s plan is to try and undo the consequences of his mistakes without actually becoming a better person. In doing so, he guarantees that his family’s tragedy will always repeat itself. There is no universe he can go to where he can hide who he is forever.
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ConfusedUs posted:To quote Zangief from Wreck-It Ralph: Just because you are a bad guy, doesn't mean you're a bad guy. Agreed. If the movie's big message is Anyone Can Wear The Mask then Aaron works to show that it goes both ways. Anyone Can Be The Prowler doesn't have quite the same ring to it though.
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ConfusedUs posted:To quote Zangief from Wreck-It Ralph: Just because you are a bad guy, doesn't mean you're a bad guy. Augus posted:Miles is caught in between his dad and his uncle. his dad represents a rigid rule-based way of life while his uncle represents a laid-back life of freedom. Neither of them are exactly right for Miles. Guy Mann posted:Agreed. If the movie's big message is Anyone Can Wear The Mask then Aaron works to show that it goes both ways. Anyone Can Be The Prowler doesn't have quite the same ring to it though. Overall, I think it's a huge compliment to the movie that it made me care about one of its characters so much! It's just a tiny thing too, but it irks me enough to speak up.
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Simply Simon posted:The issue I have with both of your viewpoints is (abbreviated for Augus, sorry, but the "represents" in your sentence is already enough to point at what I mean) is that you talk about Aaron as a plot device. It's a There But For the Grace of God moment, but you're right in that it serves plot more than characterization. As for his dual life... well, even Dick Cheney gets to have Thanksgiving dinner with his family.
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Simply Simon posted:I'd love to have a reason or even a hint at a reason why someone who's such a good person in, well, person, is such a bad guy in costume. This kind of moral disconnection from a job isn't that unusual. Look at the Predator drone operators who clock off from exploding weddings to go home and hang out with their families.
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Necrothatcher posted:This kind of moral disconnection from a job isn't that unusual. Look at the Predator drone operators who clock off from exploding weddings to go home and hang out with their families.
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Guy Mann posted:It's something that was explicitly pushed on social media as an extension of the movie's "anyone can wear the mask" through line. It's not my thing but making fan characters is the way that some people engage media and both them and the people who made the movie seem to be enjoying it. It’s super cute. Mine would be a universe where he caught the robber, and stayed a wrestler. All the villains become wrestlers too.
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Simply Simon posted:You can't tell me he isn't having the time of his life as Prowler. There is something here as well, that he's getting into it TOO much maybe, but he's for sure not jus' followin' orders, cap'n. You've got a super suit, near Spider-person levels of agility, a cool rear end motorcycle, and a really flexible set of morals... Prowler isn't some tortured soul in a bad spot, he's the "mirror darkly" of the super hero secret identity. The heroes are a bunch of adrenaline junkies, it seems pretty natural that at least some of the villains would be.
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Other than the sound, my favorite part of Prowler's "feel" was his animation and movement style. He'd go from stock still to full speed and back in an instant. You always got the sense that he was pouncing. That economy of movement made him scarier!
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