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I just remembered how when Trump cut off aid to the PA even the Israeli government thought that was too harsh, and they shoot teenagers
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FlamingLiberal posted:I just remembered how when Trump cut off aid to the PA even the Israeli government thought that was too harsh, and they shoot teenagers Oh it's entirely interested on their part; don't worry. US aid to the Palestinian territories meant that the US were the ones footing the bill for mitigating the damage caused by Israel. Without mitigation, the Palestinians will only become more desperate and therefore less easy to control. After all, the entire strategy of Israel to keep stealing land and wealth from their Helots is to make them too afraid to rise up by making them feel they have something to lose. This is why Israel loves to commit the war crime of collective punishment. Now there's one less thing that the Palestinians can be afraid of losing. The solution is either to find another patsy that will pay for, effectively, funding Israel's continued illegal occupation; or they'll have to pay for it themselves. The first seems highly unlikely; the second is outright impossible, any Israeli government that would spend even just one shekel of taxpayer money on making conditions slightly less worse for the slave-caste would be immediately overthrown.
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Right, and that is why Israel would be against cutting off aid since it will just make it worse for people in the territories to the point where violence will return
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It's just newspeak, reframing the occupation as liberation and the palestinian call for sovereignty as a call for ethnic cleansing has been with us for a long time. Ya'll are just used to arguing within homogenous leftist communities.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I just remembered how when Trump cut off aid to the PA even the Israeli government thought that was too harsh, and they shoot teenagers The thing is that the saner parts of the Israeli government don't want the PA to collapse. There's plenty of tough talk and bluster, but out of all the major Palestinian factions, the Fatah-led PA is the one most willing to cooperate and collaborate with Israel. The cooperation isn't just lip service, either - the PA security forces directly collaborate with the IDF, sharing intel and even suppressing anti-Israel factions. If Fatah loses control of the West Bank, power will fall to more violent groups, and Israeli settlements are so intermingled with Palestinian villages that the IDF can't effectively defend against a significant uptick in violence there.
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Main Paineframe posted:The thing is that the saner parts of the Israeli government don't want the PA to collapse. There's plenty of tough talk and bluster, but out of all the major Palestinian factions, the Fatah-led PA is the one most willing to cooperate and collaborate with Israel. The cooperation isn't just lip service, either - the PA security forces directly collaborate with the IDF, sharing intel and even suppressing anti-Israel factions. If Fatah loses control of the West Bank, power will fall to more violent groups, and Israeli settlements are so intermingled with Palestinian villages that the IDF can't effectively defend against a significant uptick in violence there.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I'd never encourage anyone to read all that, but here's a sampler from the latest page of it: How is that blindly defending the IDF? I literally said their actions in Gaza were a provocation. Did you even read what you quoted? Mr. Lobe posted:Aren't there literally people paid to do PR work for Israel by posting? I doubt SA would be a target, though, and of course there are also just good old fashioned brainwormed ideologues willing to carry water for just about any awful thing you can think of. You realize that my views are pretty much identical to the Obama administration, US public opinion, and most western European governments? Either you are not familiar with what I've actually posted, or you're living in a bubble. HootTheOwl posted:On the other-hand, Bibi. He's a disingenuous cynic who wants to maintain power more than anything else.
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the head of the jewish state embracing an outright fascist is a very good look.
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Ultramega posted:I don't want to contaminate this thread too much but wow holy gently caress this dude kept bringing up how palestinian cities like halhul or ramallah are effectively apartheid cities concerning jews which is really loving funny considering the situation in Hebron. What's he been saying about Halhoul? It's my paternal village by the way. Well, town now.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the head of the jewish state embracing an outright fascist is a very good look.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Has there ever been a major Palestinian uprising against an illegal settlement any time recently? There haven't been major Palestinian uprisings in general - the status quo has been pretty much unshaken for more than a decade. In the West Bank, Abbas cooperates with Israel to shut down all dissent and ensure a relatively peaceful and stable West Bank, while Gaza has been sealed off and isolated. However, the Intifadas were a big problem for Israeli authorities. Since settlements were often built near major West Bank infrastructure and close to Palestinian villages in order to claim as much Palestinian land as possible, with little thought given to security and sustainability, the settlements are extremely difficult to defend from any meaningful threat. It's likely not a coincidence that Israel undertook both the withdrawal from Gaza and the building of the West Bank security barrier, both of which reduced the vulnerability of settlements, during the Second Intifada. However, whatever one thinks about the success rate of the West Bank wall (there was a decline of violence, but many other Israeli and Palestinian actions happened while the wall was being constructed, so it's impossible to isolate just the wall's impact), it's been rendered obsolete by the passage of time. The period of peace after the last Intifada led to complacency, and settlement expansion has led to many new settlements outside Bibi's border wall.
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 Notice the date. Sure is a head scratcher given that we were told that the embassy had already moved?
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Hong XiuQuan posted:What's he been saying about Halhoul? It's my paternal village by the way. Well, town now. Nothing in particular beyond acknowledging that it is a town in the west bank. Dude turned out to be a complete loving android who was claiming ridiculous poo poo like how israeli jews who wander into the west bank get lynched, how they sprayed sewage into the tomb of the patriarchs, etc basically a lying gently caress.
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Ultramega posted:Nothing in particular beyond acknowledging that it is a town in the west bank. Dude turned out to be a complete loving android who was claiming ridiculous poo poo like how israeli jews who wander into the west bank get lynched, how they sprayed sewage into the tomb of the patriarchs, etc basically a lying gently caress. Ahahaha what? We notoriously love defiling our own prophets. Can't recall a lynching happening in Halhoul but I can tell you that the first word of one of my baby cousins (back in 2002) was 'dbabeh' (tank) because of the Israeli tanks regularly rolling through the streets in the hills. That was pretty apartheid of us.
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quote:Five Palestinian factions are forming a new political body in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip in an attempt to break the political duopoly of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah movement and Gaza-rulers Hamas. Don't know enough about these 5 factions to comment but it sounds interesting. Marwan Barghouti will of course be released to lead it.  https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2019/1/4/new-palestinian-political-body-aims-to-rival-abbas-hamas Volkerball fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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I accidentally put a period at the end of it.
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the real tomb of the patriarchs is my vagina (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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avshalemon posted:the real tomb of the patriarchs is my vagina the ark of my covenant will shower the tomb with light rain
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Netanyahu hyped up a big speech over his corruption charges. He wants to be able to face the states witnesses against him lol.
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The hell is going on in Israel https://twitter.com/nkulw/status/1082484248026800131
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Thought y'all would appreciate the conversation this sparked with my Israeli boss. 
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is his eldest son the one that cheaped out on paying for a blowjob (and it was insanely cheap to begin with) and uses "bro" every other word?
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Groovelord Neato posted:is his eldest son the one that cheaped out on paying for a blowjob (and it was insanely cheap to begin with) and uses "bro" every other word? yea he fuckin rules
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Israel: "Why can't Palestinian activists who oppose Israel do so peacefully? There is no equivalence to the black civil rights movement because black people chose boycotting buses over bombing them." "Fine, we'll boycott Israel." Israel: WOAH hold up there It is also illegal for Palestinians in Israel to boycott the occupied territories So when people say there is no equivalency to the civil rights movement, you are absolutely right. Palestinians can't even boycott settlements. At least black people could boycott racist establishments. Starpluck fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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DEA posted:
You may also like: Shawarma, the classic Israeli street food,
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Apparently a civil rights museum in Birmingham is revoking an award they were going to give to Angela Davis because she supports BDS. This is becoming insane.
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I think the solution is to boycott the organizations that boycott BDS.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Apparently a civil rights museum in Birmingham is revoking an award they were going to give to Angela Davis because she supports BDS. This is becoming insane.  That's hosed up.edit: you should post an article if you have one, out of curiosity.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Apparently a civil rights museum in Birmingham is revoking an award they were going to give to Angela Davis because she supports BDS. This is becoming insane. I need the biggest supporter for civil rights you have 
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Internet Explorer posted:https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683250815/civil-rights-award-rescinded-from-angela-davis-after-jewish-community-objections Finally some more details about this https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/hol...jOzNp0v9QB1Wdqs quote:The Birmingham Holocaust Education Center wrote to the Birmingham Civil Rights Institute on January 2 expressing "concern and disappointment" about the plan to honor Davis with an award named for minister and civil rights pioneer Fred L. Shuttlesworth. The letter urged the institute to "reconsider your decision." So after getting a human rights award removed from Angel loving Davis, they say this quote:Layman said the Holocaust education organization is willing to meet Davis with when she comes to her hometown. idiots and hypocrites
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Internet Explorer posted:https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683250815/civil-rights-award-rescinded-from-angela-davis-after-jewish-community-objections Do non-profits have to publish a list of donors somewhere, with the amounts donated? My theory is some big donors are very pro-Israel and threatened to stop donating if she gets the award.
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DEA posted:Israel: "Why can't Palestinian activists who oppose Israel do so peacefully? There is no equivalence to the black civil rights movement because black people chose boycotting buses over bombing them." That is American policy though, not Israeli. And that bill isn't the proposal to ban boycotts at the behest of NGOs (which is separate and has no chance of passing), its stated purpose is to permit states to divest from companies participating in BDS. quote:His bill -- or rather, Title IV of his bill (the other three titles cover defense authorizations for Israel and Jordan, and tightened sanctions on Syria) -- does one thing: it states that state anti-BDS laws (of the second-type, above) are not preempted by federal law. I would have written the bill more broadly by instead focusing on state policy on companies that discriminate on the basis of national origin (which I think would both cover BDS, as well as some Israeli companies engaging in impermissible conduct.) I think broadly there are two issues at play here - what's acceptable for a governmental body as opposed to a private citizen, and the validity of boycott tactics in general. For consistency, if boycott is a valid tactic, then it either always must be or never be. And people like Greenwald who are screaming about this proposal are the first to complain about private citizen boycotts of BDS. You're also glossing over how there are wide degrees of boycotts, from settlement boycotts that frankly a lot of Zionists support, all the way to the formal BDS movement arguing, per Chomsky and Finklestein, that the Israeli state must cease to exist. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kim Jong Il posted:the formal BDS movement arguing, per Chomsky and Finklestein, that the Israeli state must cease to exist. this poo poo should be probatable by now
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That is an accurate portrayal of their views. I'm making actual arguments and citations, and you are not. https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/finkelstein-disowns-silly-israel-boycott-1.31716 quote:He said: "I'm getting a little bit exasperated with what I think is a whole lot of nonsense. I'm not going to tolerate silliness, childishness and a lot of leftist posturing." He said the Palestine Solidarity Movement's campaigns for refugees' right to return and equal rights for Israeli Arabs were a cover for its desire to see the destruction of Israel. "I loathe the disingenuousness," he said. "We will never hear the solidarity movement [back a] two-state solution." https://newrepublic.com/article/122257/unpopular-man-norman-finkelstein-comes-out-against-bds-movement quote:Indeed, Noam Chomsky has also come out against BDS in support of Israel’s existence. He calls the attacks on Finkelstein “completely uncalled for, indeed outrageous.” He says that Finkelstein “had cogent and rational arguments” and “has done more for the Palestine cause than all those who launched these disgraceful attacks combined.” And certainly both have given other pro-BDS quotes, but I portrayed their views on that point correctly. I agree with them solely in the sense that the formal BDS movement (not necessarily all of its adherents) makes the right of return a requirement, and that is inconsistent with Israel's existence. One state or a binational state is something else, you can debate the merits all you want, but it's not Israel. Barghouti literally gives interviews where he says he wants to replace Israel with a one state solution, so the claim that the formal BDS movement wants to end the Israeli state is a tautology. I did not say harm Israelis or Jews, although I don't think BDS's objectives are at all obtainable, and are in fact an impediment to the two state solution. Fortunately, most BDS support is pretty soft (relatively), and would largely disappear with better Israeli policy. Kim Jong Il fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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I support BDS and if it results in the transformation of Israel from an apartheid, ethnonationalist state into a truly pluralistic democracy, then it'll have achieved the goals I see in it 
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Germany managed to still exist despite being forced to stop being an ethnostate at the point of a gun, I think plucky 'lil isreal will be fine.
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