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SA_Avenger
Oct 22, 2012

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

If a time traveler went to Michelle Obama with verifiable information that if she doesn't run in 2020 the world will be destroyed, she would jack his time machine and go back in time and smother Donald Trump in the crib instead.

Good leaders never want the job.

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Medium Chungus
Feb 19, 2012

SocketWrench posted:

CNN airs the Dem response, the world waits with bated breath for it. Slowly AOC takes the podium, leans towards the mic and breaks the silence "WE'RE GONNA IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKER!"

This would make up for so many things

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Slugworth posted:

It's also similar to the UK system if I'm not mistaken. It strikes me as a good system, provided the percentage isn't something stupid. Motivates schools to prepare people to get jobs, helps people who graduate into a lovely economy. Potentially worrying prospects for liberal arts programs though.

It also gives schools a (larger) financial incentive to recruit white men as those will have the best "return on investment".

Theoretically it could give an impetus to fight pay discrimination an unequal outcomes, but we all know exactly what gets chosen when the choice is between taking advantage of broken things to definitely make more money and fighting to fix things to maybe make more money.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


SA_Avenger posted:

Good leaders never want the job.

I'm just saying this lady knows what time machines are for

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Slugworth posted:

It's also similar to the UK system if I'm not mistaken. It strikes me as a good system, provided the percentage isn't something stupid. Motivates schools to prepare people to get jobs, helps people who graduate into a lovely economy. Potentially worrying prospects for liberal arts programs though.

It's a horseshit system that only looks good if you compare it to nothing at all. My dad got paid to go to university. I took out a loan that took until the age of 35 to pay back. Students starting now will likely never get out of debt.

Making students pay for university just ensures that only the rich will be properly educated, and perpetuates a cycle of inequality.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's a great way to put out shitloads of even more unemployable bachelor's holders and basically free money for universities to continue lying to their students, yeah.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Your student loans have been repaid? Then how about lending your old pal Zoidberg a couple of bucks, MR MILLIONAIRE!?

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

eke out posted:

it's where you quote animal house and when the judge calls you out you reply "that's like, your opinion, man"

I can't loving believe those guys thought that would be a good idea. I mean it's one thing if that was the only weird bit, but every one of Concord's filings has been seriously provocative in a way that federal judges are not known for taking too well.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Slugworth posted:

It's also similar to the UK system if I'm not mistaken. It strikes me as a good system, provided the percentage isn't something stupid. Motivates schools to prepare people to get jobs, helps people who graduate into a lovely economy. Potentially worrying prospects for liberal arts programs though.

It would be an improvement on the current system but what we need is free education period.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001


What happens if his team just basically says "nope we ain't got nothing to say at this point".

Medium Chungus
Feb 19, 2012

theflyingorc posted:

The obvious answer is the surprisingly woke Axl Rose

I started following him just now based on your post and gotta admit I'm actually surprised at the wokeness.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

If a time traveler went to Michelle Obama with verifiable information that if she doesn't run in 2020 the world will be destroyed, she would jack his time machine and go back in time and smother Donald Trump in the crib instead.

I'm gonna write a children's series about Michelle Obama murdering shitheads throughout the ages.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


mdemone posted:

I can't loving believe those guys thought that would be a good idea. I mean it's one thing if that was the only weird bit, but every one of Concord's filings has been seriously provocative in a way that federal judges are not known for taking too well.

I think we saw a window into the strategy behind it yesterday though - provoke the judge into responding then claim bias.

The trouble is I don't see how that really gets them anywhere.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


That's what I would do. Go back in time, kill a billionaire, go forward in time. Do we have star trek TNG holodeck yet? No? Go back in time, kill the next richest billionaire. Go forward in time. Repeat.

If I end up making the future worse that's ok I'll just go back in time and kill the inventor of the time machine.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Shifty Pony posted:

I think we saw a window into the strategy behind it yesterday though - provoke the judge into responding then claim bias.

The trouble is I don't see how that really gets them anywhere.

It gets them in front of an en banc appellate court, so that several judges can now individually step on their balls, instead of just the one.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Hear me out maybe we could just finance our students' education with the billions of tax dollars we have instead of another dumbfuck market based solution that will do nothing except funnel money into specific industries.

Like seriously why are we even debating anything coming out of silicon valley as a real solution to a social problem?

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://mobile.twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1082626865293152257
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulaReidCBS/status/1082625879996620803

queeb
Jun 10, 2004

m



This is gonna be good

Critical
Aug 23, 2007

"Yeah everything that guy just said is bullshit."

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


They shouldn't be running Trump's bullshit at all but at least they are doing that much.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Delivering the Democratic response, Bernie Sanders. Come on just do it. If you don't like him and don't want him to run for president guess what, having him deliver the Democratic response is the perfect way to sink him

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

I wonder how effective a response will be, since they won't have the text of the address beforehand.

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Can any lawyerly people tell me what happens when someone like Manafort misses a filing deadline?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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cr0y posted:

Can any lawyerly people tell me what happens when someone like Manafort misses a filing deadline?

I bet I can tell you what happens when someone not (rich and white) like Manafort misses a filing deadline

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I like the option where he continues to screw over ARE TROOPS and they still support him

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

mdemone posted:

I wonder how effective a response will be, since they won't have the text of the address beforehand.

How many years have we heard this dumb motherfucker. Turn it on, look at him. He doesn't say jack poo poo does he? Its all the same garbage, over and over again. Because he's a dumb motherfucker. A motherfucker of a motherfucker. In his administration full of motherfuckers that couldn't wipe their rear end with their stolen wealth if they tried. Now turn it off because you've seen and heard him too much as it is. Remember life before 24/7 motherfucker? Where you didn't have to think of Motherfucker for a single goddamn second, nor hour, week, month or decade? Remember what normal feels like? No, because motherfuckers are ruining your life every waking moment.

You sick of Motherfuckers yet? Because we sure are.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Crabtree posted:

How many years have we heard this dumb motherfucker. Turn it on, look at him. He doesn't say jack poo poo does he? Its all the same garbage, over and over again. Because he's a dumb motherfucker. A motherfucker of a motherfucker. In his administration full of motherfuckers that couldn't wipe their rear end with their stolen wealth if they tried. Now turn it off because you've seen and heard him too much as it is. Remember life before 24/7 motherfucker? Where you didn't have to think of Motherfucker for a single goddamn second, nor hour, week, month or decade? Remember what normal feels like? No, because motherfuckers are ruining your life every waking moment.

You sick of Motherfuckers yet? Because we sure are.

If Rashida Tlaib said this on TV tonight, I'd quit my job tomorrow to go work for her.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Crabtree posted:

How many years have we heard this dumb motherfucker. Turn it on, look at him. He doesn't say jack poo poo does he? Its all the same garbage, over and over again. Because he's a dumb motherfucker. A motherfucker of a motherfucker. In his administration full of motherfuckers that couldn't wipe their rear end with their stolen wealth if they tried. Now turn it off because you've seen and heard him too much as it is. Remember life before 24/7 motherfucker? Where you didn't have to think of Motherfucker for a single goddamn second, nor hour, week, month or decade? Remember what normal feels like? No, because motherfuckers are ruining your life every waking moment.

You sick of Motherfuckers yet? Because we sure are.

BREAKING: Samuel L. Jackson to deliver Democratic response to President Donald Trump's nationwide address Tuesday night

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat
Bigots want a society where groups of people are not allowed to be citizens or even persons based entirely on things they cannot control. These things literally hurt no one and have proven, zero negative effect on society as a whole, are basically nothing more than surface differences. It's actually proving beneficial! Who'd have thought?

Anyway, granting bigots rights, which gives them access to care and protection through society IS tolerance. Letting them try to push what is just dubunked eugenics and psuedo-sciences about sex, attraction, gender, etc isn't intolerant. They're dumb as hell arguments. Argument that we have long since should have moved past already, and most Americans seem eager to. They're certainly allowed to believe whatever we want, we just don't need to even pretend to entertain the idea that it has a place in public discourse.

Trying to work yourself into "Well, isn't being intolerant of the intolerance wrong?" is really poor reasoning. Americans (especially white Americans) are so uncritical of it, because they wanted to remain blind on all the bigoted -isms, is part of why we're seeing a resurgence of other things we have looong since decided were dumb as gently caress and have moved past, like not vaccinating your children, the earth being flat, I could go on whatever

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Strange Poon posted:

Bigots want a society where groups of people are not allowed to be citizens or even persons based entirely on things they cannot control. These things literally hurt no one and have proven, zero negative effect on society as a whole, are basically nothing more than surface differences. It's actually proving beneficial! Who'd have thought?

Anyway, granting bigots rights, which gives them access to care and protection through society IS tolerance. Letting them try to push what is just dubunked eugenics and psuedo-sciences about sex, attraction, gender, etc isn't intolerant. They're dumb as hell arguments. Argument that we have long since should have moved past already, and most Americans seem eager to. They're certainly allowed to believe whatever we want, we just don't need to even pretend to entertain the idea that it has a place in public discourse.

Trying to work yourself into "Well, isn't being intolerant of the intolerance wrong?" is really poor reasoning. Americans (especially white Americans) are so uncritical of it, because they wanted to remain blind on all the bigoted -isms, is part of why we're seeing a resurgence of other things we have looong since decided were dumb as gently caress and have moved past, like not vaccinating your children, the earth being flat, I could go on whatever

Tolerating intolerance is itself intolerance. You become a passive observer and an enabler.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Fister Roboto posted:

Who the gently caress even watches television anymore?

Olds aka Trumps base.

Everyone else watches Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and whatever is on their Facebook/ Instagram streams.

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

Tolerating intolerance is itself intolerance. You become a passive observer and an enabler.

Sorry, I mistyped because I am dumb and bad. I mean NOT Letting them push these things isn't intolerance. It's just something we've moved past as a society.

e: Intolerant also has the connotation that one is of small-mind, or refusing to accept things (like progress, in this instance). So, when people call you "intolerant" of views like racism, sexism, etc, it's a purposeful misuse of the word.

thin blue whine fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jan 8, 2019

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
TV is good compared with streaming sometimes precisely because it doesn't allow you to be choosy. While that's generally worse for things you want to actively be watching, it's pretty good for having on in the background while you cook dinner or pack your lunch or whatever because it's that much easier to ignore.

I love Netflix and Prime Video for finding something I want to actively engage with, but cable is still my gold standard for having poo poo on in the background as I do other things and/or go to sleep.

fishing with the fam
Feb 29, 2008

Durr
Are they going to announce who is going to give the Dem response? Or are they going with a surprise mystery box approach?

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


During the address tonight you should all be watching Game Done Quick

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Fritz Coldcockin posted:

Tolerating intolerance is itself intolerance. You become a passive observer and an enabler.

People shy away from the idea that "tolerating a thing is tantamount to endorsement of that thing", and maybe rightly so, but that's how one might justify saying that by tolerating intolerance you are endorsing it.


E: ^^ a few posts up — yeah, probably better to just say "'tolerating' Nazis is fundamentally not the same thing as 'tolerating' gay people"

Data Graham fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jan 8, 2019

Total Party Kill
Aug 25, 2005

The only people I know that watch broadcast television are boomers and gen xers. Not a single millennial I know has cable, but then again I live in the NYC socialist bubble.

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

Data Graham posted:

People shy away from the idea that "tolerating a thing is tantamount to endorsement of that thing", and maybe rightly so, but that's how one might justify saying that by tolerating intolerance you are endorsing it.

When someone uses the "tolerating intolerance" argument it strikes me as just a covert way of saying "both sides! everyone's viewpoint has literal academic merit and is valid". It doesn't make sense. Being intolerant is literally another way of saying "bigoted" and "illiberal" so when someone claims you will magically become the intolerant one for believing we are a progressive society is just like What?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


when most people talk about "tolerance" they mean accepting people or cultures unlike yours. they don't mean accepting people holding or supporting vile and counterfactual positions.

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Strange Poon posted:

Bigots want a society where groups of people are not allowed to be citizens or even persons based entirely on things they cannot control. These things literally hurt no one and have proven, zero negative effect on society as a whole, are basically nothing more than surface differences. It's actually proving beneficial! Who'd have thought?

Anyway, granting bigots rights, which gives them access to care and protection through society IS tolerance. Letting them try to push what is just dubunked eugenics and psuedo-sciences about sex, attraction, gender, etc isn't intolerant. They're dumb as hell arguments. Argument that we have long since should have moved past already, and most Americans seem eager to. They're certainly allowed to believe whatever we want, we just don't need to even pretend to entertain the idea that it has a place in public discourse.

Trying to work yourself into "Well, isn't being intolerant of the intolerance wrong?" is really poor reasoning. Americans (especially white Americans) are so uncritical of it, because they wanted to remain blind on all the bigoted -isms, is part of why we're seeing a resurgence of other things we have looong since decided were dumb as gently caress and have moved past, like not vaccinating your children, the earth being flat, I could go on whatever

The paradox of tolerance can be rendered as a mathematical equation, to simplify it for the "logic" and "reason" heads that seem to afflict the alt-right.

If strength of tolerance is a positive number and tge strength of intolerance as a negative number, then if you tolerate (add) them together, you weaken "tolerance", neutralize it's effect, or produce a negative sum.

But, if you subtract intolerance, you always get a positive outcome. :v:

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