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Sinteres posted:Obviously he's rich and can do whatever the gently caress he wants, so if he's fine with alienating a bunch of people, good for him. I just don't think he's going to be very happy with the audience he ultimately ends up with if he decides he doesn't give a poo poo about all of this. Yeah like personally I think the guy's a piece of poo poo but I always thought he was an incredibly talented standup so I expected him to (cynically) work out a set where he would toy with the idea of guilt and redemption while setting up long ways around to punch lines, kinda like Chapelle did with the trans stuff. I just think the set didn't exhibit any evidence of thoughtfulness or effort to avoid the most obvious routes. And like you said the crowds he's working in front of seem perfectly happy with the meat he's tossing them so it's hard to be optimistic about the future. It's pretty weird to see the main defense of it is "actually he's always been this hacky" but maybe I'm overrating his earlier work.
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Jan 8, 2019 02:56
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lmao imagine being so loving dense you just take comedy bits at face value
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Jan 8, 2019 02:57
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gently caress those kids that got shot at during school. They just hid behind the fatties. They haven't seen poo poo. I'm not listening to you dumb child. You only saw your friends get murdered in front of you. A sophisticated and complete joke from a sex offender. Cue more "it's just a joke" excuses
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Jan 8, 2019 03:08
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Zoracle Zed posted:Yeah like personally I think the guy's a piece of poo poo but I always thought he was an incredibly talented standup so I expected him to (cynically) work out a set where he would toy with the idea of guilt and redemption while setting up long ways around to punch lines, kinda like Chapelle did with the trans stuff. I just think the set didn't exhibit any evidence of thoughtfulness or effort to avoid the most obvious routes. And like you said the crowds he's working in front of seem perfectly happy with the meat he's tossing them so it's hard to be optimistic about the future. It's pretty weird to see the main defense of it is "actually he's always been this hacky" but maybe I'm overrating his earlier work. I agree with a lot of what you've written here. I don't think his material in the past was all that incredible but his new set doesn't sound all that different from his older ones. I'm sure time will tell. I love Chapelle, I find him quite competent at introspection and he's got an interesting point of view when it comes to race inequality and justice. Although he has some backwards ideas on trans identity I believe he isn't completely malicious with it (There's no way for me of being sure, but all i've got is my gut as I've never met the man).
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Jan 8, 2019 03:09
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I'd been avoiding listening to the set and I just pulled the Parkland clip so I could not talk out of my rear end. Man . . . as everyone said, it's a loving lazy joke that only work for anyone because you have Louis' intonation and delivery on it. I'll admin it got a mild "heh" out of me but it's not like I have any desire to even hear it again. This is basically someone's hot take tweet done in a funny voice. What happened at Parkland is horrible. I 100% think we need extensive gun reform in the country. But you show a good, well constructed Parkland joke and I'll laugh. You have options that are way better than this. Maybe "I feel like David Hogg is doing all this activism not to change the country's mind on gun violence but to get over the chip on his shoulder from years of people calling him David Penis."
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Jan 8, 2019 03:30
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Odddzy posted:I love Chapelle, I find him quite competent at introspection and he's got an interesting point of view when it comes to race inequality and justice. Although he has some backwards ideas on trans identity I believe he isn't completely malicious with it (There's no way for me of being sure, but all i've got is my gut as I've never met the man). I don't think many people find it malicious. More that after being called out on it he doubled down and--I don't remember exactly what he said in the second special so I'm majorly generalizing--he effectively pulled the transphobic version of "look I don't have any problem with gay people but two dudes kissing THAT IS GROSS I DON'T GET THAT poo poo".
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Jan 8, 2019 03:35
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Cael posted:I don't think many people find it malicious. More that after being called out on it he doubled down and--I don't remember exactly what he said in the second special so I'm majorly generalizing--he effectively pulled the transphobic version of "look I don't have any problem with gay people but two dudes kissing THAT IS GROSS I DON'T GET THAT poo poo". I don't remember his original comments on trans people that well, but I felt like he acknowledged he wasn't being very nice when he made that joke while still coming from a place of genuine introspection. To me, it felt like he was still uncomfortable with trans people. But he didn't think it was something anyone should be dragged out in the street and beaten for. That tension between what he feels and what he knows to be the right thing (letting trans people be) is an interesting idea for him to explore as it talks to his sensibilities.
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I think Chapelle definitely has some lovely transphobic points of view (and don't blame anyone for writing him off) but I can at least look at his set and see how he put in the work of trying to balance approaching it with thought & tact and and swerving into unpredictable punchlines and keeping his audience on the razor's edge. I just don't see any similar sort of work put into the CK set.
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Jan 8, 2019 03:52
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Odddzy posted:That tension between what he feels and what he knows to be the right thing (letting trans people be) is an interesting idea for him to explore as it talks to his sensibilities. Yeah I can agree with that. I just don't think CK expressed any tension like that in his set.
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Jan 8, 2019 03:54
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Zoracle Zed posted:I think Chapelle definitely has some lovely transphobic points of view (and don't blame anyone for writing him off) but I can at least look at his set and see how he put in the work of trying to balance approaching it with thought & tact and and swerving into unpredictable punchlines and keeping his audience on the razor's edge. I just don't see any similar sort of work put into the CK set. Everything else aside: well yeah, it's early material recorded on a phone, not a Netflix special. Chances are, Dave's bits were about as rough early in development.
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Jan 8, 2019 10:08
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I'd argue if you're a comic who suddenly became known as the dude who sexually assaulted people and ruined careers of those who didn't go along with it, and if for some reason you can't just gently caress off and enjoy the massive cash you made before that came out, it's maybe a bad idea to just keep workshopping the same jokes from when we all thought 'ha ha I'm a loving scumbag' was just a funny joke persona.
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Jan 8, 2019 22:36
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Megazver posted:Everything else aside: well yeah, it's early material recorded on a phone, not a Netflix special. Chances are, Dave's bits were about as rough early in development. Even if I agreed with that it would only make it all the more bizarre that his defenders are saying it’s just as good as his earlier work then.
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Jan 8, 2019 22:57
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Zoracle Zed posted:Even if I agreed with that it would only make it all the more bizarre that his defenders are saying it’s just as good as his earlier work then. For the record, I watched his new set because I was curious as to how bad it allegedly was, I listened to some of his sets over the years but never was a fan or interested enough to give him a dollar. The only thing I remember in his routines is the bag of dicks joke, comments about his daughters and how much he hated marriage. I do agree with Megazver that it's a recorded bootleg, It's being worked on and ironed out. And that even if he's now considered a non-person, it doesn't change much if I listen to it or not and shouldn't bring ire from anyone. Just like it doesn't change much when I stop in the street to listen to an evangelical in the street and find entertainment that way.
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Jan 9, 2019 00:16
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sexpig by night posted:ruined careers of those who didn't go along with it, do you have a source for this bit? because everything i read is that if a woman didn’t consent or confronted him about it afterward he was apologetic
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Jan 9, 2019 00:42
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Imagine wanting to defend Louis ck this bad lmaoooo
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Jan 9, 2019 01:02
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bango skank posted:do you have a source for this bit? because everything i read is that if a woman didn’t consent or confronted him about it afterward he was apologetic There was an article I read a while back that tracked the career of the women, some did some stuff, most didn't really progress all that much after the events although I'm not sure if they were really going places before either. Not trying to be snarky here. https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-louis-ck-victims.html
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Jan 9, 2019 01:21
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Odddzy posted:I do agree with Megazver that it's a recorded bootleg, It's being worked on and ironed out. Odddzy posted:And that even if he's now considered a non-person, Odddzy posted:it doesn't change much if I listen to it or not and shouldn't bring ire from anyone. Just like it doesn't change much when I stop in the street to listen to an evangelical in the street and find entertainment that way.
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Jan 9, 2019 01:48
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Someone is this invested in Louis CK in tyool 2019.
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quote:ok so you think it was bad because it's a work in progress and might be good in the future, whereas I think it's bad because it's lazy? If we are oversimplifying things, yes. I'm not sure why you need to be right on this when we can both be, it's a subjective truth. I don't know if his set is going to be great in the future BUT I believe that there could be a chance. On that subject, stand-up Comedy is both art and science, the artistic part of it is subjective and you can find it lazy/bad/uninteresting/whatever. The Science part of it is observable and simple: did they laugh? If yes, the set is funny. Everybody here that listened to the set couldn't argue against the fact that the room didn't laugh their rear end off. quote:what does that even mean? who in the world said he wasn't a person? It's an expression, is this really the first time you hear it? Calling him a non-person is in reference to the fact that no matter what he does now, his crime will forever be a taint on him in the eyes of many people. This isn't a new expression and you really must not be arguing in good faith like that guy obsessed with Fox News if you have to question everything I say like that. quote:what are you even trying to say here. in this metaphor, the evangelical is saying a bunch of dumb poo poo and you're pointing out the street preacher has said dumb poo poo before so... what? or eventually he's going to have a great sermon by the time he does sunday service? you're gonna have to spell this one out man It's an example on the subject of being able to listen to something without it being an endorsement of that thing. To get back to the subject of me saying I can listen to an evangelist in the street. I meant that even if I myself am not religious, if an evangelical dude in the street is screaming about judgement day coming upon me (or if the guy is a nazi, a jehova's whitness or whatever) It doesn't mean that I can't sit back and check out what he has to say. Louis's set is kind of like that, you sit back and examine what you find interesting if that's your thing. If some people think that's a crime or a waste of time, good for them. I'm sure they've got nothing more interesting to do like compare him to some people I don't know about on Fox or whatever. Louis Theroux for example did a ton of documentaries on Nazi's and listened to them and spent time thinking about what they have to say, the guy himself never turned into a Nazi. In the same way, I can listen to Louis CK's stuff without it making me complicit in his crimes.
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Jan 9, 2019 04:19
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Someone is this invested in Louis CK in tyool 2019. Talking about Louis CK on the Stand-Up Comedy Thread on a Comedy Forum. Who could do such a thing?
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Jan 9, 2019 04:22
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https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/01/04/video-the-medias-hypocritical-reaction-to-louis-c-k-s-latest-controversy/ hmm yes deep thoughts. Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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Jan 9, 2019 04:35
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Ches Neckbeard posted:https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/01/04/video-the-medias-hypocritical-reaction-to-louis-c-k-s-latest-controversy/ Can you explain what that link's about and your point of view on it? I think I've argued my point in good faith enough.
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Jan 9, 2019 04:42
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This whole thing started because you didn't understand why people thought it was bad. Then you agreed that it's bad, but allowed we just disagree on why it's bad. Then you said anything that gets big laughs is inherently good (so Dice is the greatest comedian of all time I guess), then you pivoted to some weird thing about how it's impossible to have an opinion on anything, and then brought up Nazis for some reason ??? Sorry man I kinda feel like you have no idea what your opinion actually is. btw I've literally never heard the term 'non-person' before and it's weird as hell, sorry.
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Odddzy posted:To get back to the subject of me saying I can listen to an evangelist in the street. I meant that even if I myself am not religious, if an evangelical dude in the street is screaming about judgement day coming upon me (or if the guy is a nazi, a jehova's whitness or whatever) It doesn't mean that I can't sit back and check out what he has to say. and like if someone said 'hey that nazi sucks' you'd say 'hey it's just a rough working set, it's too early to judge!' ?
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Jan 9, 2019 04:50
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Zoracle Zed posted:and like if someone said 'hey that nazi sucks' you'd say 'hey it's just a rough working set, it's too early to judge!' ? definitely a good faith argument here, boys.
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Jan 9, 2019 04:52
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Zoracle Zed posted:This whole thing started because you didn't understand why people thought it was bad. Then you agreed that it's bad, but allowed we just disagree on why it's bad. Then you said anything that gets big laughs is inherently good (so Dice is the greatest comedian of all time I guess), then you pivoted to some weird thing about how it's impossible to have an opinion on anything, and then brought up Nazis for some reason ??? Sorry man I kinda feel like you have no idea what your opinion actually is. First, I don't think his set is bad. I think his parkland bit isn't as funny as the rest. His set is fine for a free forty minute bootleg of a comedian standup on youtube. It's not particularily great if I go by how highly regarded he was before his crimes came to light. You didn't understand me at all even though I spent a lot of words to try and make myself clearer. I guess it's useless.
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Zoracle Zed posted:and like if someone said 'hey that nazi sucks' you'd say 'hey it's just a rough working set, it's too early to judge!' ? I specifically used "evangelical" in my previous example so that even a moron wouldn't go around throwing hyperbole like it happens way to often now when people start saying Nazi. Thanks for proving my point.
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Jan 9, 2019 04:57
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Odddzy posted:Can you explain what that link's about and your point of view on it? I think I've argued my point in good faith enough. You wouldn't understand
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Jan 9, 2019 05:00
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Ches Neckbeard posted:You wouldn't understand That's fine, I'm just surprised that for someone that hates Fox news and their talking heads so much, you sure sound like you spend a lot of time watching their videos.
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Jan 9, 2019 05:03
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Hey, here's a hot take: Louis CK can suck the poo poo straight out of my rear end in a top hat.
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Jan 9, 2019 05:07
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Odddzy posted:That's fine, I'm just surprised that for someone that hates Fox news and their talking heads so much, you sure sound like you spend a lot of time watching their videos. Dude just take the L
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Laterite posted:Hey, here's a hot take: Louis CK can suck the poo poo straight out of my rear end in a top hat. He'd probably be into it tbh. 
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Odddzy posted:I specifically used "evangelical" in my previous example so that even a moron wouldn't go around throwing hyperbole like it happens way to often now when people start saying Nazi. Thanks for proving my point. you literally said "or a nazi" yourself ya goof edit: gently caress it, even going back to your original evangelical example you said: quote:if an evangelical dude in the street is screaming about judgement day coming upon me so if someone criticized the evangelical guy screaming about judgement day, that would be... bad??
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Jan 9, 2019 05:21
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Zoracle Zed posted:you literally said "or a nazi" yourself ya goof As a second example because you needed clarification on the first one dumbass. You asked remember?
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Jan 9, 2019 05:23
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ok thank you for clarifying lmao
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Jan 9, 2019 05:27
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Odddzy posted:That's fine, I'm just surprised that for someone that hates Fox news and their talking heads so much, you sure sound like you spend a lot of time watching their videos. I used an esoteric website to find it you'd never figure it out.
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Jan 9, 2019 05:33
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pretty funny that the people getting hysterical about loving jokes in the stand up comedy thread are the ones acting like theyre dunking on others, thats the true comedy here imho
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Jan 9, 2019 07:05
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For context, when a white person claims they're treated like a non-person they implicitly mean they're treated the way they treat minorities. I don't think the claimants ever self-reflect enough to make the connection.
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bango skank posted:pretty funny that the people getting hysterical about loving jokes in the stand up comedy thread are the ones acting like theyre dunking on others, thats the true comedy here imho Jokes are usually funny?
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