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I have a fleet of drones ready and waiting to deliver bananas across the Irish Sea to my British Brexiteers. If u need bananas just pick up your mobile and ring ring ring bananadrone Where do I sign up to get my no-bid government contract for this incredibly well thought out idea?
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It looks like Corbyn is courting electoral catastrophe if he backs the brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/05/brexit-corbyn-electoral-catastrophe-yougov-poll quote:This polarisation poses acute problems for Jeremy Corbyn as well as Theresa May. The Labour leader fears that if his party backs a public vote and then campaigns for a Remain victory he will alienate Leave voters in Labour’s heartlands.
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Jan 8, 2019 23:38
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hakimashou posted:It looks like Corbyn is courting electoral catastrophe if he backs the brexit yougov lol
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Jan 8, 2019 23:40
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alphabettitouretti posted:It was put forward by Labour though, so I don't think it's a tactic to go no deal? Tories were whipped to vote against it. oh I figured it was more rear end smoke by tory "rebels" that's at least promising then
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Jan 8, 2019 23:41
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Oh so he is antibrexit? Some people believe he has a secret plan to fight the brexit.
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Jan 8, 2019 23:46
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hakimashou posted:Some people believe he has a secret plan to fight the brexit. yeah it's called voting down Tmay's deal and getting an amendment passed which signifies parliament will not tolerate no deal.
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Jan 8, 2019 23:53
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JFairfax posted:yeah it's called voting down Tmay's deal and getting an amendment passed which signifies parliament will not tolerate no deal. what does "not tolerate" even mean in this context
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Jan 8, 2019 23:55
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dont be mean to me posted:what does "not tolerate" even mean in this context it means parliament don't want no deal.
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Jan 8, 2019 23:55
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but what does it all mean, Basil?
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Jan 8, 2019 23:57
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how many Tory remain and labour leave voters are there? wasn't the brexit vote pretty close to even? that'd imply that if corbyn has a leave constituency, May would have a remain one roughly the same size (I know there's more than two parties, lmk if that makes a big difference here), wouldn't it? maybe not, idk you guys do refer to Tory 'rebels', is it just that the Tory remain people are ineffectual while there's a debate going on about how to deal with their opposite counterparts and that's the reason I'm only hearing things about the latter? thanks y'all
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Jan 8, 2019 23:58
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there is no parliamentary majority for no deal there is also no parliamentary majority for any of the alternatives to no deal no deal is the only outcome that does not require a parliamentary majority to occur, because a no deal brexit is the default outcome of invoking article 50
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Jan 8, 2019 23:59
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JFairfax posted:it means parliament don't want no deal. nobody gives a poo poo about what anyone wants what's the amendment actually do
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Jan 8, 2019 23:59
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it gives the uk the second amendment from the usa's constitution only instead of being a completely ineffective way of stopping an oppressive government, it gives us the right to shoot down drones instead
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Jan 9, 2019 00:12
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hakimashou posted:It looks like Corbyn is courting electoral catastrophe if he backs the brexit It's kind of weaselly how they report this because the polling question isn't "Labour fails to resist Brexit" its quote:Please imagine that a Brexit deal passes because it is supported by most Conservative MPs and Labour does not instruct its MPs Also known as "poo poo that is never going to happen" They ask how people would vote if Labour voted for or Abstain on it, but weirdly don't bother to ask people for the only one that's got any chance of happening, Labour votes against and it happens anyway. Ultimately all it tells us is if Labour allows Theresa May's deal to pass they'd get loving bodied in an election and yeah, no poo poo they would. Reporting it as something else is just lovely reporting. Fans has issued a correction as of 00:25 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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Jan 9, 2019 00:21
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It's not a fair comparison but I'm just imagining how anyone who survived the bombings of Britain by the Nazis must feel when they see that Britain has been brought to it's knees by a single drone.
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Jan 9, 2019 00:28
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There were zero to two drones in the air, There were zero to two drones in the air, There were zero to two drones, zero to two drones, zero to two drones in the air. And the police from Sussex shut down Gatwick, And the police from Met shut down Heathrow, And the Parliament from England, Parliament from England, The Parliament from England shut down England. --- idk why im attempting british football song satire but eh
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oystertoadfish posted:There were zero to two drones in the air, Who’s the bastard in the black? It isn’t a drone, because that never happened.
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hakimashou posted:Some people believe he has a secret plan to fight the brexit. 
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dont be mean to me posted:what does "not tolerate" even mean in this context It’s a riddle. One solution is "no brexit" another solution is "pass a deal." Which solution Corbyn plans to pursue is a secret he won’t share. Another possible solution is that it is like how the US vowed it would not tolerate a nuclear-armed North Korea. hakimashou has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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Fans posted:It's kind of weaselly how they report this because the polling question isn't "Labour fails to resist Brexit" its What if they refuse to pass her deal and then there’s a no-deal brexit instead though?
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Jan 9, 2019 01:41
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dont be mean to me posted:nobody gives a poo poo about what anyone wants not much, some boring poo poo about taxes in the event of no deal more importantly it's a government defeat on an amendment to a finance bill, which is unusual in itself, and demonstrates that not all of the tory remainers are useless gobshites who talk a big game and then bottle it at the vote which in turn means that if/when may's deal fails and the government have to come back to parliament to say what they want to do next, which thanks to grieves amendment is amendable (lol), there may be a majority of mps in favour of options that avoid no deal which is a big if; the only real options to do that are a second referendum (which would need an extension to a50 and hence the consent of the eu27) or calling the whole thing off altogether and neither of those are particularly palatable (to tory remainer mps, Im all for them) basically may needs to win over the brexiteers and the dup to pass her deal, which seems unlikely, at which point labour et al and enough tory remainer rebels to defeat the government would potentially be able to stop no deal, and now we know that there might actually be enough tory rebels XMNN has issued a correction as of 01:55 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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hakimashou posted:What if they refuse to pass her deal and then there’s a no-deal brexit instead though? i mean they're hosed if they vote for the deal, so thats not really an option everything after that is up in the air but essentially no deal is avoidable and may would have to make a conscious decision not to avoid it so thats sort of on her and I think even the british public are capable of realising that people voting against the governments plan to crash out of the eu probably want to stop the uk crashing out of the eu not to say people definitely wont blame labour, just that it's not certain seeing as even though no deal is technically the default may will actually have to stare down attempts to prevent it from labour, the snp and possibly some of her own back benchers obv the country will be hosed, but its probs hosed anyway whatever happens
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XMNN posted:i mean they're hosed if they vote for the deal, so thats not really an option I’m honestly curious, what kind of deal does Labour want and how is it different from May’s?
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the official answer is one which meets the six testsquote:1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU? the real answer basically depends on which bit of labour you're talking about; short answer: not anything may has negotiated, longer answer: anyone that thinks we should/have to leave wants the softest possible Brexit (usually people point at Norway), pretty much everyone else wants to find some way to call the whole thing off if may didn't hate immigrants to the exclusion of almost all else then she may have been able to negotiate a closer economic relationship, so if a labour government had been in charge it's conceivable that's what they'd have gone for unfortunately/fortunately May decided to exclude opposition parties from shaping the future of the country so the labour party have been able to adopt an ambiguous enough position to not come off as completely ignoring the referendum whilst not pissing off their massively pro-remain membership/activists/MPs, which isn't entirely satisfactory but the only other option was to adopt an explicit position that alienated a bunch of people and didn't actually achieve anything as they had no actual power to influence the negotiations side lol: may could really do with votes from opposition parties as there is a large tory nutter wing and the dup that probably won't vote for her deal, if she had negotiated something acceptable to other parties rather than one that would somehow please both wings of her own she might actually have been able to pass it obv she would have destroyed her career.and probably the Tory party but she managed that anyway
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Baloogan posted:lol srs imagine playing the world as like EU4 or Vicky 2 and like, choosing this course of action hahahahah I'm sure it would be the first step in an easter-egg event chain to, I don't know, get King Arthur to return or something.
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Baloogan posted:lol srs imagine playing the world as like EU4 or Vicky 2 and like, choosing this course of action hahahahah For a while now I have legit thought that you could more or less pick Paradox forums posters at random and come up with a better set of world leaders.
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don't pick me if you don't like genocide
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hakimashou posted:What if they refuse to pass her deal and then there’s a no-deal brexit instead though? We don't know because they didn't poll that.
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JFairfax posted:yeah it's called voting down Tmay's deal and getting an amendment passed which signifies parliament will not tolerate no deal. But still brexit? Theres leaving the EU with no negotiations (no deal brexit), securing some sort of trade thing before leaving the EU and not leaving the EU at all (no brexit). When people ask if c9rbyn is antibrexit you keep saying he's against no deal brexit
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It's looking like labour is shaping up to vote against the deal, and if the deal doesn't pass, then it defaults to no deal Brexit. Right now it's looking like no deal brexit is what will happen.
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Jan 9, 2019 09:43
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Revoke Article 50 ? No , Brexit now !
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The amendment business is brinksmanship but I don't know if it's a cunning circumvention of parliamentary sovereignty or the reason rickets makes a comeback
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hakimashou posted:It looks like Corbyn is courting electoral catastrophe if he backs the brexit Article is written around a dumb yougov poll. Let’s ignore that. Ok yes it will be bad for Corbyn if he doesn’t resist Brexit. I agree. But this article doesn’t seem to give a gently caress that the whole reason this is such a mess is that plenty of Labour voters voted leave. If Corbyn had supported remaining when all these dickheads wanted him to it would have been disasterous. It would have united the Tories and the press could have ran day to day ‘traitor Corbyn’ front pages. Instead they had to make up some anti-semitism stuff.
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Dance Officer posted:It's looking like labour is shaping up to vote against the deal, and if the deal doesn't pass, then it defaults to no deal Brexit. No deal Brexit only happens if the government wants it to. They could withdraw article 50 notification at any time (though it would have to go through a parliamentary vote, thanks Gina Miller), the fact that they don't want to do this pins it all on them.
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MikeCrotch posted:No deal Brexit only happens if the government wants it to. They could withdraw article 50 notification at any time (though it would have to go through a parliamentary vote, thanks Gina Miller), the fact that they don't want to do this pins it all on them. Reality doesn't matter, the media narrative would blame Corbyn.
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Another amendment incoming, this one to force the gov to come back with another deal within 3 days of defeat so Tezza can't run down the clock https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/09/brexit-pm-may-be-forced-to-come-up-with-new-deal-three-days-after-commons-defeat
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:But still brexit? Theres leaving the EU with no negotiations (no deal brexit), securing some sort of trade thing before leaving the EU and not leaving the EU at all (no brexit). When people ask if c9rbyn is antibrexit you keep saying he's against no deal brexit it's a bit of a tricky situation if you're the leader of a major political party and you're on the losing side of a referendum, you can't really just go "nah I don't think so" (cf May who was nominally pro remain) supporting Schroedinger's Brexit is about the best possible position in that case, esp when you've got a massively pro remain party membership Captain No-mates posted:Reality doesn't matter, the media narrative would blame Corbyn. she will literally have to face down labour, SNP and Tory rebel attempts to stop no deal in order to get no deal, I think that might genuinely be enough to shape the narrative. having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if pro Brexit outlets at least try to frame it as "labour torpedoed the deal so now unfortunately we have to no deal" although some of them have been sympathetic to that clean break horseshit so that might not work so well Dance Officer posted:It's looking like labour is shaping up to vote against the deal, and if the deal doesn't pass, then it defaults to no deal Brexit. it does default to no deal, but there are ways of avoiding no deal (for example grieve's previous amendment and he's tabling another to the business motion) and people in parliament who will try to use them even if may doesn't. she may well have to fight tooth and nail to force it through, and she will certainly be vocally opposed by labour its one thing to throw up your hands and scream "Jesus take the wheel" as you drive the Brexit bus off the side of a cliff, it's quite another to actively steer towards it whilst fighting off all comers trying to stop you
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