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This is how politics actually works. Everyone needs to wise up to it.
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Pander posted:The day my mom stops working is the day she dies. She HAS to be doing something, cannot abide sitting still until like 5pm, so she's 66 and works part-time by choice rather than need. She could win the lottery and still need to do something like that or else she'd suffer a stroke or something. Definitely. A lot of this is just that the labor market such as it is is a fundamentally broken and unhealthy thing.
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Jan 9, 2019 22:29
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Haha, President Deals slammed the table.
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Jan 9, 2019 22:30
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I know the answer is "because they're all duplicitous fucks doing stuff in bad faith" but I mean why the hell wouldn't you record poo poo like this. It'll only work once but I mean, it only has to work once.
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FizFashizzle posted:I would absolutely have had an iphone on record in my front pocket if i'd been in that room. recording devices in the situation room are sort of frowned upon, and likely would likely end up with you in custody of the secret Service or FBI.
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Jan 9, 2019 22:30
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Not to be a wet blanket, but this seems too Made For TV to be accurate, even for this reality TV admin
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Retro42 posted:Mitch is literally the most powerful Republican in DC right now. If he makes ANY move on this it’ll change the whole debate. It could also explode a bit on his face if Trump turns his ire specifically on him. That's when it'd probably show a real Rightwing fracture when the king maker becomes even a momentary enemy of the chud. Of course, Trump's too much of a wimp to ever go after someone that would probably gently caress him hard in a heart beat with a light threat of writing an impeachment letter.
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He is so doing a state of emergency after that gently caress
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skeleton warrior posted:So, I think there are only a few possible ends to the shutdown situation. yeah, that's why I said above that it won't end until there's an actual concrete disaster that McConnell can't shy away from.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Not to be a wet blanket, but this seems too Made For TV to be accurate, even for this reality TV admin What is Donald J. Trump if not a festering orange pile of cliches?
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skeleton warrior posted:So, I think there are only a few possible ends to the shutdown situation. yeah, i feel like as long as the dems don't make any demands and just say "we are cool with the bill but no wall" they will keep there support up. i think GOP will crack soon, DHS is pissed and TSA is having massive walkouts. i think realizes trump is hosed either way in 2020 but he is trying to figure out how hosed the senate is.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:He is so doing a state of emergency after that Good. Not only will he not be successful (it'll mean taking money out of the bloated military budget and probably get slapped down in court anyway), he'll look even more like a petulant toddler. Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, i feel like as long as the dems don't make any demands and just say "we are cool with the bill but no wall" they will keep there support up. i think GOP will crack soon, DHS is pissed and TSA is having massive walkouts. i think realizes trump is hosed either way in 2020 but he is trying to figure out how hosed the senate is. This is why I think it's so easy for Democrats to hold the line. They have no demands or stipulations--they just want the gears to start turning again.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Not to be a wet blanket, but this seems too Made For TV to be accurate, even for this reality TV admin it's a paraphrase
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:yeah, that's why I said above that it won't end until there's an actual concrete disaster that McConnell can't shy away from. It's interesting that McConnell is maybe the most likely one to cave in all of this.
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Jan 9, 2019 22:33
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White House issues veto threat on standalone spending bills to reopen parts of federal government Well, so much for that
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Jan 9, 2019 22:34
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:He is so doing a state of emergency after that Honestly this is his only way out and looking like He Fights and Owns the Libs. It'll immediately be court challenged, and shot down. He'll bemoan it on twitter and do nothing about it. His base continues to be loving idiots.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Good. Not only will he not be successful (it'll mean taking money out of the bloated military budget and probably get slapped down in court anyway), he'll look even more like a petulant toddler. and the GOP are doing a horrible loving job at trying to flip the narrative, partially because the main instigator changes his story every 5 minutes.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:He is so doing a state of emergency after that in many ways this is probably the best case solution long term. 5 billion is loving nothing compared to the walls actual cost and not much will actually happen towards it construction at all given this admin's incompetence. a CR without it will then be passed as there is nothing stopping it beyond Trump being even more irrational. Trump ends the stalemate by doing something completely ineffective that shows the dems to be the more resolute party and harms them 0 going into 2020.
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If Trump declares a state of emergency, he has no reason to be against a clean CR, right? Trump declares a state of emergency, signs a clean CR, then is told he can't use emergency declaration to build Wall.
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Pylons posted:White House issues veto threat on standalone spending bills to reopen parts of federal government thats not surprising. its good for us though. it makes them look awful.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I tried not to pay too much attention to 538's Trump popularity graph because it has stayed shockingly consistent for a year now. But it is on a clear downward trend in approval since the Trump Shutdown began. Yeah, it's definitely a thing. For the first week or so of the shutdown, his disapproval rating was going up but his approval rating wasn't going down, meaning it was essentially only perpetually undecided voters who were having a negative reaction to the shutdown. But the longer it went on, his approval rating started dipping too, which means he's losing actual Republican voters. For all the talk of the die-hard MAGACUDs, Trump's approval rating among conservatives is surprisingly soft.  Look at the difference between "Somewhat" and "Strongly Approve", and compare it to the difference between "Somewhat" and "Strongly Disapprove." A lot of the people who support Trump do it reflexively and half-heartedly because he's a Republican, but people who don't like Trump literally all just loving hate him. That's not to say that the "Somewhat Approve" people are going to come to their senses or become non-racists, but what it does mean is that if Trump's base ever fractures, it's going to break hard. EDIT: fixed img tags
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Lycus posted:If Trump declares a state of emergency, he has no reason to be against a clean CR, right? Trump declares a state of emergency, signs a clean CR, then is told he can't use emergency declaration to build Wall. i think he might declare one, then still keep the government closes because "gently caress you give me wall money".
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Pylons posted:White House issues veto threat on standalone spending bills to reopen parts of federal government That was always the case. It would require a veto proof majority to pass and go into effect. That means we need like 18 republicans to break ranks in the Senate and I am not sure how many in the House. ? Doesn't seem likely.
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Pylons posted:White House issues veto threat on standalone spending bills to reopen parts of federal government They were always going to meet an impasse, probably even before it got to Trump and when it gets to Mitch McConnell in the Senate. The point is that as long as Democrats are willing to vote to open up and fund the government and can illustrate that the GOP has to be the one to say "no, we're keeping the government shutdown."
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Remember that legislation saying Lynching is a crime? It is being lobbied against by Liberty Counsel https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1083108277108465664 quote:The Justice for Victims of Lynching Act passed unanimously in the U.S. Senate but Liberty Counsel founder Mat Staver says it passed without some senators realizing an amendment was added providing special rights for homosexuals and transgenders.
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Pylons posted:White House issues veto threat on standalone spending bills to reopen parts of federal government Its not much of a threat when this isn't an attack that is just do nothing. Yeah, I know, pocket veto, but Trump wouldn't be able to ignore it if the rest of right congress wants it.
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Jan 9, 2019 22:37
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Zwabu posted:What justification could there possibly be for journalists to attend an off the record lunch with the President they are covering? The whole thing is obviously to curry favor and try to generate more positive coverage in a lovely time for Trump. It's been pretty common since at least Obama's presidency. During the Obama years, I remember the NYT taking a stand against them--at least initially--and refusing to attend, but I don't remember any other media doing the same on principle. (I also don't know if the NYT ultimately changed its policy.) Obama took OTR-with-press meetings a step further, and forbade the outlets to discuss even the occurrence of the meetings. And yeah, poo poo's gonna leak from the Trump meetings; journos who attended the meetings under Obama were incredibly tight-lipped about what went on, but that may have been bc the secret meetings were almost always with journos or outlets generally favorable toward him. I think my personal line of integrity, were I a member of the press, would be that the president's remarks should be reportable under background rules (no direct quotes, but ok to summarize what he said) and under no circumstances agree that there's no record of the meeting having occurred, as was the case with Obama.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:in many ways this is probably the best case solution long term. 5 billion is loving nothing compared to the walls actual cost and not much will actually happen towards it construction at all given this admin's incompetence. a CR without it will then be passed as there is nothing stopping it beyond Trump being even more irrational. Trump ends the stalemate by doing something completely ineffective that shows the dems to be the more resolute party and harms them 0 going into 2020. Anything that does get built will be very flamboyantly destroyed by the next Democratic President. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there was a photo-op wherein the new President takes a couple of whacks with a sledgehammer or wrecking ball.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I tried not to pay too much attention to 538's Trump popularity graph because it has stayed shockingly consistent for a year now. But it is on a clear downward trend in approval since the Trump Shutdown began. Eh, that's pretty minor until it gets back to 2017 levels.
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Aww Poor Dear Leader had his fee fee's hurt so he took his toys and went home.
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Pylons posted:White House issues veto threat on standalone spending bills to reopen parts of federal government RIP the USA Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Remember that legislation saying Lynching is a crime? Oh great, so we are going for the "trans people aren't real so it's cool to hang them" defense CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Remember that legislation saying Lynching is a crime? they are just mad they wont be able to murder/honor kill their LGBT children when they come out and the torture doesn't work.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Anything that does get built will be very flamboyantly destroyed by the next Democratic President. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there was a photo-op wherein the new President takes a couple of whacks with a sledgehammer or wrecking ball. You're probably right, but part of me dreams about a small, pitiful part of the wall being built and then totally abandoned by the next President. Let it stand as a monument to Trump's idiocy, and say it isn't even worth the money it would cost to tear it down.
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So what happens if no one backs down and the shut down continues indefinitely? Like 6 months of no government?
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the moose posted:So what happens if no one backs down and the shut down continues indefinitely? Like 6 months of no government? I'd wager the absolute longest it goes is past April. The economy will crash if people don't get their tax refunds.
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the moose posted:So what happens if no one backs down and the shut down continues indefinitely? Like 6 months of no government? due to no Homeland Security or air traffic controllers still on the job, air traffic shuts down a lot faster than that
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the moose posted:So what happens if no one backs down and the shut down continues indefinitely? Like 6 months of no government? There's got to be a limit to Congressional Republicans not doing a veto override.
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the moose posted:So what happens if no one backs down and the shut down continues indefinitely? Like 6 months of no government? riots that force congress' hand when actual real consequences become significant. it won;t go that far, since you can see trump and his team taking the pressure poorly already. The missed paychecks are the first big consequence, and soon others will pile on like tax returns and air traffic controllers like mentioned above
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Morons that keep asking what good government does in their lives realize real quick just how much their lives are enabled by a collective organization designed for service rather than profit.
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