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Some Guy TT posted:what i dont get about the captain marvel hype is that shes a boring white woman with a really generic costume and no apparent personality why would that be your choice to headline a movie when you could have sassy black afro captain marvel or teenage muslim shapeshifter captain marvel instead im not being a dick here ive actually heard of these other two characters but as far as i can tell carol danvers is famous solely because of the movie and shes probably the least woke possible character they could have chosen to do it You can tell wrong then
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Retromancer posted:Isn't like 60 percent of Kamala Kahn's personality that she's a Carol Danvers fangirl? Also yeah Kamala's entire deal is that she's a huge superhero nerd and she especially loves Carol Kinda have to set that up Also nextwave sucks also you will never see DC call Captain Marvel that and not Shazam because they can only use the name in a story, they can't use it as a title or in any way that could be considered marketing or advertising
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Jan 9, 2019 17:51
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Also who the gently caress is hating on Carol's new costume The kree colors version isn't great because of the colors but the actual red and blue pops
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Jan 9, 2019 17:52
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Also yeah Kamala's entire deal is that she's a huge superhero nerd and she especially loves Carol Please read more than comics
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Jan 9, 2019 20:04
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I want to see Disney do the Carol Danvers gets magically impregnated by an alien who turns out to be his own father storyline.
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Jan 9, 2019 20:07
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Some Guy TT posted:what i dont get about the captain marvel hype is that shes a boring white woman with a really generic costume and no apparent personality why would that be your choice to headline a movie when you could have sassy black afro captain marvel or teenage muslim shapeshifter captain marvel instead im not being a dick here ive actually heard of these other two characters but as far as i can tell carol danvers is famous solely because of the movie and shes probably the least woke possible character they could have chosen to do it I'm guessing we are pretending all those other female action heroines never happened all over again?
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Jan 9, 2019 20:10
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I like Domino, and I hope she gets a solo movie. She was the best part of Deadpool 2. Of course, that could also just be because I like Zazie Beetz.
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Jan 9, 2019 20:17
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Bogus Adventure posted:I want to see Disney do the Carol Danvers gets magically impregnated by an alien who turns out to be his own father storyline.
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Jan 9, 2019 20:21
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Disney is not woke enough to do a mother-son incest story. If trending porn is any indication of cultural shifts, then it shouldn't take long...
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Also who the gently caress is hating on Carol's new costume I don't like the dumb mask.
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Jan 9, 2019 20:35
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Terror Sweat posted:Please read more than comics I do I just also read a lot of comics because it's my job
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Jan 9, 2019 20:40
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I do a better argument for UBI i've never heard
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Jan 9, 2019 20:42
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Brother Entropy posted:a better argument for UBI i've never heard I have this job because I like it and because I've been here so long I'm actually able to function without anxiety attacks usually Id still do it with UBI, bitch
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Jan 9, 2019 20:45
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I do You don't.
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Jan 9, 2019 21:30
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I loving hate comics so much. I tried to watch those stupid marvel movies and got an hour into the one with the Thanos character because the whole movie kept doing the equivalent of pausing itself and looking me in the eyes to say "SEE YOU KNOW THAT CHARACTER, HE'S FUNNY" and I couldn't help but think about Adorno's ideas about cultural degeneration due to the influence of capital
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Jan 9, 2019 21:39
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I think Firefly had a scene where one of the quirky awesomesauce characters plays with his toys coming up with hilarious witty banter for them. It's so meta it might be the one genuinely clever thing Joss Whedon ever wrote. So sounds like he's still writing for the avengers movies then?
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Jan 9, 2019 21:45
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Frog Act posted:I loving hate comics so much. I tried to watch those stupid marvel movies and got an hour into the one with the Thanos character because the whole movie kept doing the equivalent of pausing itself and looking me in the eyes to say "SEE YOU KNOW THAT CHARACTER, HE'S FUNNY" and I couldn't help but think about Adorno's ideas about cultural degeneration due to the influence of capital yeah it’s funny how bad they are especially in the face of into the Spiderverse, which is genuinely really surprising and fun while also touching
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Jan 9, 2019 21:49
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steinrokkan posted:You don't. I definitely do, I just checked
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Frog Act posted:I loving hate comics so much. I tried to watch those stupid marvel movies and got an hour into the one with the Thanos character because the whole movie kept doing the equivalent of pausing itself and looking me in the eyes to say "SEE YOU KNOW THAT CHARACTER, HE'S FUNNY" and I couldn't help but think about Adorno's ideas about cultural degeneration due to the influence of capital Comic movies are absolutely loving dogshit, like I'm obviously the comics person here and I want all of those loving movies except Blade to be shot into the sun
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Jan 9, 2019 21:52
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BioMe posted:I think Firefly had a scene where one of the quirky awesomesauce characters plays with his toys coming up with hilarious witty banter for them. It's so meta it might be the one genuinely clever thing Joss Whedon ever wrote. He's actually not.
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Jan 9, 2019 21:55
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Retromancer posted:He's actually not. Yeah the brand is just incredibly poisoned in such a way that all the movies sound like him
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BioMe posted:I think Firefly had a scene where one of the quirky awesomesauce characters plays with his toys coming up with hilarious witty banter for them. It's so meta it might be the one genuinely clever thing Joss Whedon ever wrote. I'll admit that I liked firefly despite its Libertarian ethos and faux snappy dialogue but that avengers stuff felt like some sort of ersatz brain-damaged clone of Whedon had written it BENGHAZI 2 posted:Comic movies are absolutely loving dogshit, like I'm obviously the comics person here and I want all of those loving movies except Blade to be shot into the sun comic movies seem to dwarf actual written comics to such a degree when you say "comics" you can more or less safely be understood to be referring to the enormous industrial merchandising powerhouse, I guess. though maybe I'm underestimating the popularity of contemporary comics superheroes just suck. someone in this thread I think recommended something called Marshal Law about beating up superheros and I've been reading that and its pretty good. it seems like there was a brief period in the 80s where the reaction to Reagan and Thatcher produced some awesome cynical graphic novels but they feel very different to me than the garbage xmen comics I read in the 90s or the awful movies that everyone seems to love
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Also nextwave sucks Shut your trap dickeye
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Frog Act posted:I'll admit that I liked firefly despite its Libertarian ethos and faux snappy dialogue but that avengers stuff felt like some sort of ersatz brain-damaged clone of Whedon had written it you're not but they're still incredibly different beasts for one thing, most comics actually sound like they're written by different people and dont have completely interchangable fight scenes that are finished before the book even starts
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Jan 9, 2019 22:00
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Obviously they should making movies about good comics like The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck instead Disney even owns that poo poo
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also if you like marshal law, i lean in close and whisper, read judge dredd because its better
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Andrast posted:Obviously they should making movies about good comics like The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck instead i'd pay lots of dollars for a carl barks scrooge movie
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:i'd pay lots of dollars for a carl barks scrooge movie I'd rather have Don Rosa stuff but yeah 
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:also if you like marshal law, i lean in close and whisper, read judge dredd because its better i read a big book of 80s Dredd and really enjoyed it awhile ago, it was good and I'd read more comics if I could find things similar to that, which had actual interesting elements of satire also the Flintstones comic thats still going is good I guess, I read that too once
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Frog Act posted:but that avengers stuff felt like some sort of ersatz brain-damaged clone of Whedon had written it Well he did also manage to poison an entire generation of genre writers.
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Frog Act posted:superheroes just suck. someone in this thread I think recommended something called Marshal Law about beating up superheros and I've been reading that and its pretty good It gets maybe a little too on the nose when it turns into a literal sociological essay on superheroes, but I figure it serves the same purpose as the literary analysis part in The Iron Dream, because with genre readers you can never be too explicit to be taken literally
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hackbunny posted:It gets maybe a little too on the nose when it turns into a literal sociological essay on superheroes, but I figure it serves the same purpose as the literary analysis part in The Iron Dream, because with genre readers you can never be too explicit to be taken literally Also post 80s Pat Mills is not nearly as good of a writer as Nemesis Pat Mills, is the other thing Also other guy, the flintstones dude did a Dredd miniseries thAts done and collected, called Under Siege Also most Dredd comics from the last like twelve years are real fuckin good
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The story where Dredd visits a fuckin utopian parallel universe version of Mega City One and ruins it rules, if I can find it I'll post some pictures
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:you're not but they're still incredibly different beasts the modern snappy witty dialogue thing kinda engulfs most comics now as a result of Brian Michael Bendis and Joss Whedon pioneering it and it always amuses me when fans have a (deserved) hateboner for either of them and still love most of the dreck that follows in their footsteps.
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Frog Act posted:I loving hate comics so much. I tried to watch those stupid marvel movies and got an hour into the one with the Thanos character because the whole movie kept doing the equivalent of pausing itself and looking me in the eyes to say "SEE YOU KNOW THAT CHARACTER, HE'S FUNNY" and I couldn't help but think about Adorno's ideas about cultural degeneration due to the influence of capital should probably be a thread like the #woke thread on this stuff and the delicate related topics around creating a sort of cultural autism (would happily adopt a less loaded term) where people become unable to infer internal states and motivations of characters without these cartoonish cues even in other braindead popular media, also probably related to the division of attention in the netflix + phone national ritual, and how this plays out socially and politically theres a reddit (lol) that people send me stuff from sometimes thats movie secrets or something, that's literally just C-student reading comprehension of movies, like "in pulp fiction, there's a case that all the characters want, but if you pay attention its never actually shown what's in the case!" or "in wall-e, the humans in the future are fat because they've become complacent and lazy!". people construct their entire identities around movie consumption but either fail or are disinterested to have even a child's understanding of the sequence of events they're watching nerds obsessing with "decoding" production details for deep meaning in films while getting incensed at people who do interpretive reading of films' thematic content was bad enough, but at least that was some kind of active engagement, instead of "in star wars, leia actually knew there wasnt a rebel base on dantooine, she just wanted to mislead darth vader!"
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Dr. Killjoy posted:the modern snappy witty dialogue thing kinda engulfs most comics now as a result of Brian Michael Bendis and Joss Whedon pioneering it and it always amuses me when fans have a (deserved) hateboner for either of them and still love most of the dreck that follows in their footsteps. Yeah, this is what bothers me the most. The "witty" dialog dwarfs the characters' individual personalities. Having one smartass in a movie is fine. Having a movie full of smartasses really isn't. It gets old really fast. Imagine if Friends had six Chandlers instead of just one. It would have been much, much worse.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Yeah, this is what bothers me the most. The "witty" dialog dwarfs the characters' individual personalities. Having one smartass in a movie is fine. Having a movie full of smartasses really isn't. It gets old really fast. Imagine if Friends had six Chandlers instead of just one. It would have been much, much worse. The reason it reminds me of a kid playing with his toys is because it's very much going through the motions style of writing. For instance I didn't believe for a second the rivalry between Captain America and Tony Stark in Avengers. I mean yeah the pieces are there, one is a dutiful soldier and the the other an egoistical billionaire. You can see how it would happen, but there's zero time or care given to let the dynamic develop naturally. Instead it jumps straight to the conclusion like a child re-enacting a cool movie scene and comes across more like the writer is just showing off how many witty one-liners he can come up with than a real script.
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i really hope jk rowling tweets something like the magical memory liquid that lets you walk around inside peoples brains is made of cum or something soon so we cna sotp talkin gabout comic book movies
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speaking of harry potter, it's unfortunate that people forgot about the totalitarian execution method in fantastic beasts, that film was incredibly dramaticBENGHAZI 2 posted:Comic movies are absolutely loving dogshit, like I'm obviously the comics person here and I want all of those loving movies except Blade to be shot into the sun also https://youtu.be/ManyCesoujg really the pre-2000's comic movies were decent and sparse enough, everything went downhill after spiderman2
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BioMe posted:The reason it reminds me of a kid playing with his toys is because it's very much going through the motions style of writing. For instance I didn't believe for a second the rivalry between Captain America and Tony Stark in Avengers. I mean yeah the pieces are there, one is a dutiful soldier and the the other an egoistical billionaire. You can see how it would happen, but there's zero time or care given to let the dynamic develop naturally. Instead it jumps straight to the conclusion like a child re-enacting a cool movie scene and comes across more like the writer is just showing off how many witty one-liners he can come up with than a real script. Agreed got any sevens posted:also Blade ruled and still rules 
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