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re: socialist country music, I wasn't thinking broadly enough before, here's a cool song on the capitalist mindset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeTVdvJWsEI
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GunnerJ posted:Important question: Does "Man in Black" count? almost every cash song counts Also yall probably know but blues in general but especially early blues is highly revolutionary
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200 million on strike in India; Communist Party leaders detained https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/200-million-on-strike-in-india-communist-party-leaders-detained/
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Frog Act posted:I spent some time the other day reading about the CPI-ML assuming they would be a conservative vehicle for cold-war era nationalism or right-wingish policies under the pretense of being left wing but they actually seem dope as hell You have to be careful with your acronyms, because there's six different communist parties in India. The CPI-M are the biggest communist party in the world outside of one-party communist states, while the CPI is close to having its national party membership revoked and the CPI-ML doesn't even have any seats anywhere. The party which is organizing this mass strike is the CPI-M.
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apropos to nothing posted:but the key is that its democratic centralism, not just centralism. the bolsheviks whole reason for splitting from the menshiviks initially was over a disagreement in how the party paper should be run with the bolsheviks saying basically, it should be based off the democratic decision which was decided on at a party congress. wanting to centralize the org doesnt make it more like dem/cent, it just makes it more dictatorial and beurocratic. I know theres a lot of stigma about dem/cent because of how some parties try to implement it but real democratic centralism has to have robust democratic processes and mechanisms built in at every level. the momentum/jacobin group is not democratic centralist in my view not disagreeing with anything here but the bold part gave me a hearty lol since i didn't know that
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You have to be careful with your acronyms, because there's six different communist parties in India. The CPI-M are the biggest communist party in the world outside of one-party communist states, while the CPI is close to having its national party membership revoked and the CPI-ML doesn't even have any seats anywhere. The party which is organizing this mass strike is the CPI-M. ah, well, I specifically read about the CPI-ML, which (as I understand it) is the closest in terms of its overall politics to a cspam style leftist, and split from the CPI-M because the CPI-M had become corrupted by administrative capture through procedural stuff and electoralism. Is that a valid criticism? their platform seems very compelling but I have no idea if they have any meaningful presence compared to the much larger parties from which they split
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Frog Act posted:ah, well, I specifically read about the CPI-ML, which (as I understand it) is the closest in terms of its overall politics to a cspam style leftist, and split from the CPI-M because the CPI-M had become corrupted by administrative capture through procedural stuff and electoralism. Is that a valid criticism? i mean, you could view it from the inverse. CPI-M has been successful through a dual strategy of electoralism and outside agitation and have lapped other communist parties by being more effective
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Frog Act posted:ah, well, I specifically read about the CPI-ML, which (as I understand it) is the closest in terms of its overall politics to a cspam style leftist, and split from the CPI-M because the CPI-M had become corrupted by administrative capture through procedural stuff and electoralism. Is that a valid criticism? the cpi-ml disbanded in the 70s lol
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it's been over a decade, i remember CPI-M having an extraordinary presence in Kerala and West Bengal. have they had success elsewhere recently? probably eating up a lot of Congress voters or oh god maybe it's CPI-M in kerala and CPI-(M) in West Bengal. this is hard
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Yeah the short story is that they don't have any meaningful presence. The two communist parties that really matter in India are the CPI-M, which is an electoral and labor agitating power house, and the CPI-Maoist, which is the political front of the Naxalites.
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according to the wiki...quote:Later the party splintered into numbers of minor Naxal/Maoist groups. checks out!
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i'm more of an industrial music guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv2ejr23iKg also this song about the european union (under german dominance) is pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r634VNemWAg
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I'm sure the cpi-ml would be thrilled to learn that they are the closest party in India to CSPAM
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:the cpi-ml disbanded in the 70s lol they claim to continue to exist in English on the internet, though it sounds clear they don't have any meaningful power
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Frog Act posted:they claim to continue to exist in English on the internet, though it sounds clear they don't have any meaningful power hmm another cspam parallel
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as penance for my ignorance re: Indian communist splitters, have a unified theory of dialectical science from a kooky philosopher/physicist who wrote an essay for a book I read
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the indian communist parties have splintered into various offsite forums, slashie is a mod for some reason
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Larry Parrish posted:i got some closted racist on leftypol really mad at me when i said that good leftist music is music produced by the under class and not music with a specific political message, meaning, to me, that rap and country music were as a whole about a million times more leftist than whatever bullshit labor chants people want to revive from 200 years ago lol i don't think anybody has posted about it since this, but yeah, rap is a musical form created out of black struggle, i think it's inherently leftist in this way. capital is certainly doing an incredible number on it, though, holy poo poo. there's lots of good poo poo out there right now, but a lot of the dominant poo poo is not just anti-leftist but legitimately co-opting
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i'm more of an industrial music guy
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HorrificExistence posted:Laibach is the greatest fascist trolling project since operation quicksilver Laibach’s gimmick is neolibs are the real fascists
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The Naxalites are badass
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quote:Trotsky wears discount suburban fetish gear and rides a streampunk phallic train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnklhF2knM4&t=8s
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from something I read about that series it sounded like the russian government was trying discredit the soviet revolution because people there like it and hate capitalism, but couldnt openly call out lenin and the bolsheviks generally since lenin is super popular there. so they picked trotsky to try to pin all the "bad" of the revolution on while subtlety making lenin and the bolsheviks look bad
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Jose posted:https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/1083242838995935232?s=19 drat maybe Trotsky is cool after all apropos to nothing posted:from something I read about that series it sounded like the russian government was trying discredit the soviet revolution because people there like it and hate capitalism, but couldnt openly call out lenin and the bolsheviks generally since lenin is super popular there. so they picked trotsky to try to pin all the "bad" of the revolution on while subtlety making lenin and the bolsheviks look bad pinning all the bad stuff on one guy also absolves the mass movement though, like how the "honorable wehrmacht" myth could propagate because Hitler was uniquely evil. it sounds like they're excusing the Bolsheviks for one bad Jew 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:drat maybe Trotsky is cool after all
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it's because he's jewish op
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:drat maybe Trotsky is cool after all yeah thats common in most western historiography and media, the bolsheviks are weazely conspirators who destroy the popular provisional government with no support from the workers. ignoring that the masses were trying to overthrow the feb regime in july and the bolsheviks basically had to step in and save it to help defend against the counter revolution that was coming, and for their troubles were outlawed, arrested, and driven underground by the freedom loving and democratic provisional government
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apropos to nothing posted:from something I read about that series it sounded like the russian government was trying discredit the soviet revolution because people there like it and hate capitalism, but couldnt openly call out lenin and the bolsheviks generally since lenin is super popular there. so they picked trotsky to try to pin all the "bad" of the revolution on while subtlety making lenin and the bolsheviks look bad unfortunately they're also correct when they say trotsky and trotskyist plotters did all the bad things. in fact i'd go so far as to say putin is a trot
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The funniest part of the series is the way they portray Lenin At one point he literally dangles trotsky off of a balcony and says "you will obey me"
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Suge Lenin
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Postoyevsky posted:The funniest part of the series is the way they portray Lenin lmao ok maybe it is worth a watch after all
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Postoyevsky posted:The funniest part of the series is the way they portray Lenin Lenin was well known for his ability to shoot lightning from his fingertips
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smarxist posted:Suge Lenin 
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anyways it mostly sounds bad but the armored phallic train sounds cool
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