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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:As a Mk7 GTI owner, I definitely know the differences, but for mid-30s I would find it hard to choose a Golf R over a Focus RS. I know the RS has had issues with the head gasket(?) recall or whatever, and its definitely more boy-racer, but that's where I'd put my 35 grand. As someone who daily drives an RS on Michigan roads, sometimes i regret not going for the R.
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Jan 10, 2019 15:51
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:As a Mk7 GTI owner, I definitely know the differences, but for mid-30s I would find it hard to choose a Golf R over a Focus RS. I know the RS has had issues with the head gasket(?) recall or whatever, and its definitely more boy-racer, but that's where I'd put my 35 grand. Yeah, I'm having a tough time choosing between a used Golf R and a new GTI. The Focus RS just seems way too boy-racerish. Maybe if it were my only car, but I'm not sure I want that harsh suspension every day. I'm also now looking at BMW wagons so 
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Jan 10, 2019 18:15
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Residency Evil posted:The Focus RS just seems way too boy-racerish. And I've seen you over in the BMW thread. A wagon with a stick wouldn't be a bad choice.
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Jan 10, 2019 18:24
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:That's why I chose the GTI over the Focus ST when I got mine. The problem I'm having is that manual wagons are like unicorns, and the more recent cars (say 2015+) are only available with automatics. I may have to settle and keep the stick on the fun car.
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Jan 10, 2019 18:30
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All of the Focus RS's I've seen on the used market are more than I want to pay. Except for a couple salvage title ones for sale in Salt Lake. They're still listed for $30k though. There's one locally that I might go take a look at just to drive one. Maybe I'll like it and throw them into consideration too.  As a dealer, why the hell wouldn't you remove that graphic?
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Jan 10, 2019 19:55
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I've seen ones with like 2000 miles around me for $30k. Makes me feel like a sucker for buying new.
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Jan 10, 2019 19:57
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I think Huge Midget DD's his.
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Jan 10, 2019 20:13
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I DD mine if you can call working from home "daily." It's fine for around town but I wouldn't want to drive across the state in it.
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Jan 10, 2019 20:34
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KillHour posted:I DD mine if you can call working from home "daily." I regularly drive a couple hundred miles a weekend into the mountains to snowboard with a few longer distance weekend trips planned to. That doesn't change a ton in the summer, but to hike and bike instead. My current work commute is only 5 miles each way though...
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Jan 10, 2019 20:41
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fknlo posted:I regularly drive a couple hundred miles a weekend into the mountains to snowboard with a few longer distance weekend trips planned to. That doesn't change a ton in the summer, but to hike and bike instead. My current work commute is only 5 miles each way though... If you're driving into the mountains, it would be pretty fun. If you're driving on the interstate, it's miserable. I take my Stinger when I go on road trips, even though it's leased.
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Jan 10, 2019 20:43
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KillHour posted:If you're driving into the mountains, it would be pretty fun. If you're driving on the interstate, it's miserable. I take my Stinger when I go on road trips, even though it's leased. I'd guess a lot of the trips into the mountains would be in heavy traffic, especially during ski season.
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Jan 11, 2019 01:02
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KillHour posted:I DD mine if you can call working from home "daily." the only time i long haul in the RS is on the way to the track and it's not terrible but it's also not great. I would never try to drive to florida in it. Also spare wheels always. Stupid 19 inch wheels and potholes.
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Jan 11, 2019 01:09
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I have an RS that I “daily” twice a week when my wife and I aren’t carpooling. It’s supposed flaws are blow out of proportion. The head gasket issue is being taken care of under warranty, the ride is stiff, but supposedly there are revised dampers on the late 17s and all of the 18s that go a long way towards fixing the harsh ride. Otherwise the car is loving amazing and I doubt anything this side of $150k drives half as well and gives you a stupid poo poo eating grin every time you drive it.
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Jan 11, 2019 02:28
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Huge_Midget posted:I have an RS that I “daily” twice a week when my wife and I aren’t carpooling. It’s supposed flaws are blow out of proportion. The head gasket issue is being taken care of under warranty, the ride is stiff, but supposedly there are revised dampers on the late 17s and all of the 18s that go a long way towards fixing the harsh ride. Otherwise the car is loving amazing and I doubt anything this side of $150k drives half as well and gives you a stupid poo poo eating grin every time you drive it. man that number is easy m2, gt350, zl1 1l, corvette grand sport... like real easy
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Jan 11, 2019 02:46
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a gt3 fits in there, also also, the type r is pretty drat good, but everyone wants to poo poo on it because of what it looks like or what the spec sheet says for driven wheels because they can't say much else
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Jan 11, 2019 02:48
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BlackMK4 posted:a gt3 fits in there, also i would drive a type r but after i sold the wheels cause i can't imagine how terrible 20" wheels are to deal with
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Jan 11, 2019 02:55
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I would drive a one with te37s 
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Jan 11, 2019 03:53
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I'm an anti-Honda fanboy. Is that a thing? I never really liked any of the cars that defined their "pedigree."
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Jan 11, 2019 03:57
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Sure, everyone has their tastes. They are good at building simple, reliable cars that are rewarding to drive, especially for people that enjoy momentum cars. I am not a FWD fan at all, but I've found I really like the combination that Honda builds.
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Jan 11, 2019 04:03
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KidDynamite posted:Stupid 19 inch wheels and potholes. For anyone Golf R shopping, stay away from cars with the Pretoria's for this reason. They're apparently crazy weak and bend easily.
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Jan 11, 2019 04:31
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KidDynamite posted:i would drive a type r but after i sold the wheels cause i can't imagine how terrible 20" wheels are to deal with They're more than a little annoying. The huge rear end heavy wheels are my only real gripe with the car.
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Jan 11, 2019 04:34
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i need to get off my rear end and sell my RS Forged wheels so i can buy some 17" braids that fit over the RS calipers
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Jan 11, 2019 04:40
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PaintVagrant posted:I would drive a one with te37s It's bizarre seeing pictures of it online (bad) and seeing one driving down the street (good) are for me complete ends of the spectrum. I would have bought one ten years ago.
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Jan 11, 2019 05:16
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I’ve heard that putting in a tune can improve mileage along with horsepower. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there anything to it? I’m coming up on getting outside of my warranty and I figure I may as well throw a stage 1 tune in my GTI.
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Jan 11, 2019 05:57
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Mr-Spain posted:It's bizarre seeing pictures of it online (bad) and seeing one driving down the street (good) are for me complete ends of the spectrum. I would have bought one ten years ago. For me, oddly enough, its the exact opposite. In photo's I think the car looks amazing(gotta love those TE37's as well), particularly the darker paint colors vs the white/red ones. But in person, they are so gaudy with all the plastic bits, extra spoilers and fake grills, etc just really stand out too much making it really harsh to look at.
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Jan 11, 2019 06:22
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Warbird posted:I’ve heard that putting in a tune can improve mileage along with horsepower. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there anything to it? I’m coming up on getting outside of my warranty and I figure I may as well throw a stage 1 tune in my GTI. its theoretically possible but once you have a bunch of extra horsepower its really easy to waste more fuel. do it.
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Jan 11, 2019 06:30
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100% Dundee posted:For me, oddly enough, its the exact opposite. In photo's I think the car looks amazing(gotta love those TE37's as well), particularly the darker paint colors vs the white/red ones. But in person, they are so gaudy with all the plastic bits, extra spoilers and fake grills, etc just really stand out too much making it really harsh to look at. I don't think it looks amazing in photo's by any stretch but it looks so much worse in person to me. I'm just not a fan of the new Civic at all and the Type R makes it even worse. I'll still try to test drive one.
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Jan 11, 2019 06:57
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Warbird posted:I’ve heard that putting in a tune can improve mileage along with horsepower. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there anything to it? I’m coming up on getting outside of my warranty and I figure I may as well throw a stage 1 tune in my GTI. I always thought it was because MPG numbers are made toward a test (hence diesel-gate) so ~real world~ and what a car is sold with for MPG numbers don't match much at all.
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Jan 11, 2019 07:15
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Warbird posted:I’ve heard that putting in a tune can improve mileage along with horsepower. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there anything to it? I’m coming up on getting outside of my warranty and I figure I may as well throw a stage 1 tune in my GTI. Yes, a tune can improve mileage while also improving horsepower because the tables they're modifying are usually 3D tables where load and/or throttle position are factors. The changes in play at low loads don't impact the changes in play at high loads. OEM tunes tend to leave a lot of headroom for bad conditions, bad fuel, bad driving, etc, and this applies to more than just wide open throttle. Software tunes are basically just trimming those margins to gain better performance. A tune that assumes good fuel can be more aggressive than one that assumes the idiot behind the wheel just might fill up on 85 octane Also efficiency goes both ways. Tweaks that increase efficiency under load make more power at peak but also burn less fuel to provide any previously available power numbers. Some vendors, especially on platforms supporting multiple selectable maps, even have pure economy options that intentionally sacrifice performance for efficiency. They can also just do more basic things like tweaking pedal response maps, and on automatic transmissions the shift patterns, which at low loads could be used to increase mileage rather than performance BraveUlysses is of course right though, it really comes down to your ability to control your right foot. wolrah fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jan 11, 2019 |
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Jan 11, 2019 07:53
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Warbird posted:I’ve heard that putting in a tune can improve mileage along with horsepower. This doesn’t seem right to me. Is there anything to it? I’m coming up on getting outside of my warranty and I figure I may as well throw a stage 1 tune in my GTI. I've had two non-idiot friends tune their mk6 GTIs, both had noticeably increased power, and their mileage... stayed about the same because good luck staying disciplined! It really is a delightful upgrade that's well worth it if you have the cash around.
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Jan 11, 2019 14:09
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The styling is definitely polarizing. But I've always felt there has been an extra strain of something to Honda hate imo. A little blend of racism (it's a Mexicans car!) Socioeconomics (it's a poor persons modified car) and sneering at fwd/small displacement. It amps up the internet anti-honda signal more than it should - a long held sentiment that has been accepted without much analysis adding a hysterical note to the normal "eh, I don't like that car's weird butt very much" of seeing the CTR. Thanks for listening to my graduate thesis. Nobody here is a racist/poorist despite you all driving Nazi cars 
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Jan 11, 2019 14:21
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Uhhhh okay then. 
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Jan 11, 2019 14:31
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PaintVagrant posted:Nobody here is a racist/poorist despite you all driving Nazi cars
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Jan 11, 2019 15:06
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i was really tempted by a golf R until the whole dieselgate fiasco 
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Jan 11, 2019 15:16
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100% Dundee posted:For me, oddly enough, its the exact opposite. In photo's I think the car looks amazing(gotta love those TE37's as well), particularly the darker paint colors vs the white/red ones. But in person, they are so gaudy with all the plastic bits, extra spoilers and fake grills, etc just really stand out too much making it really harsh to look at.  I think those pics look great. Irl though, it's a cringey mess. I like the way new Civics look, but the R is waaaaaay too much.
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Jan 11, 2019 15:53
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Your loss cause I made out like a bandit from dieselgate
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Jan 11, 2019 15:54
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PaintVagrant posted:The styling is definitely polarizing. But I've always felt there has been an extra strain of something to Honda hate imo. A little blend of racism (it's a Mexicans car!) Socioeconomics (it's a poor persons modified car) and sneering at fwd/small displacement.  sir this is a wendys
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Jan 11, 2019 16:01
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I hated on Honda’s until I had a ton of fun in the passenger seat of a single cam integra on track. It’s definitely dumb car elitism and I’m mad at myself cause I could have been at the track ages ago.
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Jan 11, 2019 16:57
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PaintVagrant posted:you all driving Nazi cars Personally I prefer Mussolini-mobiles 
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Jan 11, 2019 18:53
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I love my Si but for the R I just cannot justify spending 35k+ on a civic, and it looks insane. If they came out with a subdued coupe R, I would consider upgrading, but the current hatch is just too over the top.
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