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Kim Justice posted:Here's a question, based on Tony Schiavone a little - he did barely anything in wrestling short of a couple of TNA appearances after the end of WCW in 2001, until all of a sudden he comes back in 2017 with a podcast and now he's a regular commentator for MLW. I'm wondering if there's anyone else, wrestlers or non-wrestlers, who've had similarly long (or even longer) breaks away from the business before coming back? (That is in a regular/semi-regular role as opposed to one-offs) not quite as long but don callis was out of the business for 13 years before returning in 2017 as a color commentator for new japan and eventually becoming head booker for impact as well
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What is The Worlds Strongest Slam? Like I can't remember the move name, is it a powerslam?
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Suplex Liberace posted:What is The Worlds Strongest Slam? Like I can't remember the move name, is it a powerslam? Avalanche powerslam, I think?
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Basically a powerslam but with no rotation. Like Mark holds the other dude perpendicular to himself, facing him, and falls forward, squishing him. Like Heavy Machinery's finish, but with just one guy.
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Jan 11, 2019 04:42
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Falling slam looks to be the common generic name for it. Fallaway slam, but forward.
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Jan 11, 2019 05:56
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MassRafTer posted:You can definitely fit close to that without a stage.
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Jan 11, 2019 09:17
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That slam is one of my least favorite moves in wrestling. It's worse than the Wastleland. The Worlds Strongest Slam looks like the Worlds Strongest Man couldn't get a guy up all the way for a body slam.
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Jan 11, 2019 13:29
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remusclaw posted:That slam is one of my least favorite moves in wrestling. It's worse than the Wastleland. The Worlds Strongest Slam looks like the Worlds Strongest Man couldn't get a guy up all the way for a body slam. Yeah, I too always thought it looked like poo poo. There are a couple of times Mark Henry delivered it with enough intensity that it looked pretty good, though, iirc at least once on Christian
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Jan 11, 2019 13:45
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I'm also in the "WSS looks like poo poo" club. Apparently every single other easy power move was taken at the time.
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Jan 11, 2019 13:57
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The WSS owned. 
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Jan 11, 2019 14:11
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Randaconda posted:The WSS owned. 
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Jan 11, 2019 14:15
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How about if he started doing it from the second turnbuckle? I would approve.
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Jan 11, 2019 17:59
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Aphrodite posted:Falling slam looks to be the common generic name for it. Falltowards slam, duh
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Jan 11, 2019 18:02
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Dick Bastardly posted:How about if he started doing it from the second turnbuckle? I would approve.
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Jan 11, 2019 18:08
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I think it would have looked better even if he did it all in one motion, rather than holding the guy up for a while because while holding him is obviously a feat of strength, all the momentum of the move stops at that point and it never looks all that rough when he brings the guy down. On the other hand Mark also was doing a Schmitt style back breaker from the same position that looked great, even if it made no sense to do as he could just as easily do his finish from that hold.
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Jan 11, 2019 18:43
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Those move clashes are my favorite dumb wrestling thing. Bayley does a sequence where her opponent gets thrown into the turnbuckle and stumbles towards her (I forget the setup move but it doesn't matter.) She then grabs them, turns them, and does a back suplex. At least if she sometimes did the Bayley to Belly from there, but nope every time the turn.
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Jan 11, 2019 19:04
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I always liked the WSS in the context of Mark Henry being the one doing it. It would be silly applied to Steve Austin or Randy Orton or some more-normally-sized wrestler, but most of Henry's appeal was around his being this giant brick of muscle who dealt in brute, direct force, so having his finisher just be "I'm just going to loving slam you as hard as I can" felt character-appropriate and it coming from someone his size and shape felt believable.
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Jan 11, 2019 19:23
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https://streamable.com/tk461 What's the story here? Also, is that young lion Tanahashi and Nakamura trying to jump Kojima at the end?
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Jan 11, 2019 20:07
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VJeff posted:https://streamable.com/tk461 It was the middle of the All Japan/New Japan cross-promotion & they had an IWGP title match between champion Tenzan & Kojima, who was the Triple Crown champion at the time. The match was supposed to go to a time limit draw, but Tenzan ended up getting legitimately knocked out mid-match, forcing an unscheduled title change. Kojima cut an in-character promo about how All Japan was a superior company & how the IWGP belt wasn't worth his time & threw the belt down. Some quick thinking by Nakamura led to the pull-apart brawl at the end to save face, which ended up getting Nakamura a title shot a month or so later.
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Jan 11, 2019 20:41
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...is that how Nakamura got the title seemingly way before he was ready?
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Jan 11, 2019 20:42
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VJeff posted:https://streamable.com/tk461 Tenzan was unable to continue, so the AJPW ref counted him out. This was a shoot, originally it was supposed to be a time limit draw. NJPW guys got upset that it was a screwjob and Kojima heeling it up did not help the idea. Yes, there is a young Tana and Nak getting mad. You can also spot Honma, Taichi and Yujiro there.
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Adaptabullshit posted:Tenzan was unable to continue, so the AJPW ref counted him out. This was a shoot, originally it was supposed to be a time limit draw. NJPW guys got upset that it was a screwjob and Kojima heeling it up did not help the idea. Thought I saw Taichi but I was confused because he was in Kojima's corner. Had forgotten he was from All Japan originally. Also saw Makabe. Finally, wasn't it more of a worked shoot? That was certainly how Meltzer reported it at the time, that it was New Japan who proposed it as they wanted their guys chasing the belt but didn't want to just be a standard pin or submission victory.
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Jan 11, 2019 20:54
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Okay, that's what I wasn't sure about, I've heard it was a shoot and I've also heard it was a worked shoot based on the audience knowing Tenzan had back issues.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:00
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How did Flair do in Japan? Was he as big a draw as he was here? Did people like him?
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Low Desert Punk posted:How did Flair do in Japan? Was he as big a draw as he was here? Did people like him? I seem to remember him being pretty drat popular from that old Raw they did in Japan like 12 or 15 years ago.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:24
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Low Desert Punk posted:How did Flair do in Japan? Was he as big a draw as he was here? Did people like him? Flair didn't wrestle much in Japan, which is surprising to me. But Japanese wrestling fans generally had access to, and were aware of American Wrestling. So, yeah, Flair was pretty popular in Japan.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:47
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Low Desert Punk posted:How did Flair do in Japan? Was he as big a draw as he was here? Did people like him? He wasn't as big of a star as he was here but he was considered a top guy and in demand. When WCW pulled out of a Dome show he was supposed to headline NJPW felt the need to work with AJPW to make up for the loss of Flair in the main event.
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Jan 11, 2019 21:59
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Was Hasbro pissed off at WWF for Slaughter turning heel and an Iraqi sympathizer during the Gulf War because they had figures and commercials and episodes featuring him?
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Jan 11, 2019 22:05
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Imagine if egomaniacs weren't in charge of wrestling, it's possible we could've had WWF vs WCW shows on occasion. I don't know if any of it would have been good but 14 year old me would've been ecstatic.
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Jan 12, 2019 01:16
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I just watched this match https://youtu.be/-kZAk0aOhG0 and i wanna know the good Damián 666 matches. Also that match is fun watch it, its joined in progress but its got lots of flips and rough chops. All you want in a match.
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Suplex Liberace posted:I just watched this match https://youtu.be/-kZAk0aOhG0 and i wanna know the good Damián 666 matches. He was involved in one of the better XPW matches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8fbr-mKLM8 EugeneJ fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jan 12, 2019 |
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Jan 12, 2019 06:09
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I remember being super into Damien and Halloween for a little while.
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I think Japan meant much more to Race's career than it did to Flair's, in the long run, but Flair wrestled Japan enough that I think they'd have a sense of him being a big deal.
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Halloween Jack posted:I think Japan meant much more to Race's career than it did to Flair's, in the long run, but Flair wrestled Japan enough that I think they'd have a sense of him being a big deal. Yeah, and he was NWA champion for a long time when that meant something.
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Flair did more All Japan in the early 80's since it was an NWA member. You can find some of his All Japan matches on Youtube IIRC
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What was the logic that made time-limit draws so popular back in the day? I imagine TV contributed most to their decline, but what was the reasoning for them in the first place? Was it just a common tactic to protect two stars as they build up a feud?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What was the logic that made time-limit draws so popular back in the day? I imagine TV contributed most to their decline, but what was the reasoning for them in the first place? Was it just a common tactic to protect two stars as they build up a feud? It let the champion look strong, it allowed the local guy to look good because he could take the Champ to the limit, but it also allowed you to get out of the territory with the belt still on the guy making the rounds.
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remusclaw posted:It let the champion look strong, it allowed the local guy to look good because he could take the Champ to the limit, but it also allowed you to get out of the territory with the belt still on the guy making the rounds. So this was more specifically an NWA thing with a federation champion going through local promotions? Or by local guy do you mean like a touring company is putting on a show and local enhancement talent are treated as serious contenders?
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I was talking in context to the NWA, with the more local organizations it would likely be of similar reasoning, though I would guess that Broadways were less common in that context. But they are good choice for when you want to change nothing, but you also want both guys to look good. A screwy finish is another option, but it has it's own benefits and downsides. On the thing about TV contributing to their decline, I would actually say that the Broadways were more of a house show thing anyway, but those were the big shows back then. Typically the champion was feuding with every top guy in every territory at the same time, so whenever they would come through, the local hero would get their shot and fall short, but in a way that protected them. If they were limited, there would probably be screw-job finish, if they were good they would probably go Broadway. Either way, the Champ moves on to the next town and the hero has a grievance or excuse they can use to keep them hot until the Champ comes around again. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jan 13, 2019 |
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I know the cage and shark cage matches and such came about from booking imperatives -- you string people along with the heel constantly cheating or fleeing and the cage gives the big event crowd a reason to watch and finally see that bastard get his comeuppance. What other sorts of gimmicks and plot devices like the cage and the broadway came about from savvy storytelling and the imperatives of booking? I assume the lumberjack match came about the same way as the cage.
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