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Edgar Allen Ho posted:This is a real dumb zinger question, but are there reasons that in english we have “The Czech Republic” and “Slovakia” when both countries are officially “The (Czech or Slovak) Republic?” I assume they have one hell of a PR campaign, in Spanish they're La República Checa while Slovakia is Eslovaquia, and in Chinese it's the same because they specifically add the word republic to the transliteration of Czech while they don't do it to Slovakia. Also I think we're supposed to say Czechia now, it's listed in the CIA world Factbook under Czechia
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they realy want us to say czechia but i don't want to
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Jan 12, 2019 23:50
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Technically the Czech Republic did change its English name to "Czechia" in 2016, but it hasn't really caught on. Before the formation of Czechoslovakia, the english name for the area was "Bohemia" after some long-gone German tribe, and the only reason they got that name that wikipedia gives is:wikipedia posted:Shortly before the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian empire, there were proposals to use the traditional name Bohemia for the newly-formed state.[21] However, out of consideration for Slovak national aspirations, the name "Czecho-Slovakia" (later "Czechoslovakia") was adopted instead. So I guess dropping the Bohemia name was a concession for the Slovaks, but afterwards the Czechs saw no need to drop the Cz name to make speakers of germanic languages more comfortable. I guess largely the Czech Republic name is what sticks in people's heads because that's what they knew the state as before, and it's not really trying to carry the mantle of a traditional state that's been around for longer than its current government, like say China or France. It's not that unusual when you consider places like the United Arab Emirates, United States of America, or the United Kingdom. These days most countries have some kind of weird complicated official name underneath whatever the name everyone actually calls them actually is. A weird exception is one of the first countries to be established with a weird name like that, the Netherlands, which was first established as the "Republic of the Seven United Provinces" but later became "The Kingdom of the Netherlands" and some people just call the whole thing "Holland".
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Jan 12, 2019 23:59
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HEY GUNS posted:(no i don't know why some German words for countries have "The" in front of them and some don't) English has a similar thing: the Netherlands, the Congo, the Gambia, the Philippines, sometimes you hear the Ukraine though that's gone out of fashion...
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Jan 13, 2019 00:11
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:This is a real dumb zinger question, but are there reasons that in english we have “The Czech Republic” and “Slovakia” when both countries are officially “The (Czech or Slovak) Republic?” Because The Czech Republic is composed of multiple historial political and geographic units that would get pissy if you used a reductionist name. So the long name is the compromise solution, together with the entirely made up and committee designed "Czechia".
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Jan 13, 2019 00:16
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It's probably mostly just a language thing. In Norwegian it's always been "Tsjekkia" (which is pretty much the same as "Czechia") and "Slovakia".
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Jan 13, 2019 00:17
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Ensign Expendable posted:Full story: http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2016/09/czech-from-russia.html Nice, thanks! Now I’m not so sure the one I rode in was actually Czech, though, because its turret was anything but smooth. I managed to find a couple of pictures of the actual tank, which belonged to a private collector who supposedly imported it sometime in the 90s.  
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Jan 13, 2019 00:19
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LatwPIAT posted:English has a similar thing: the Netherlands, the Congo, the Gambia, the Philippines, sometimes you hear the Ukraine though that's gone out of fashion... I mean The United Kingdom The United States of America
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Jan 13, 2019 00:22
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steinrokkan posted:Because The Czech Republic is composed of multiple historial political and geographic units that would get pissy if you used a reductionist name. So the long name is the compromise solution, together with the entirely made up and committee designed "Czechia". would they get mad if someone tried to bring "bohemia" back
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Jan 13, 2019 00:24
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Randarkman posted:It's probably mostly just a language thing. In Norwegian it's always been "Tsjekkia" (which is pretty much the same as "Czechia") and "Slovakia". Ah! More Norwegians! This means I can ask you the critical question of the ages: Is the NM72 the M72A4 or the M72A5?
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Jan 13, 2019 00:26
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LatwPIAT posted:English has a similar thing: the Netherlands, the Congo, the Gambia, the Philippines, sometimes you hear the Ukraine though that's gone out of fashion... Not out of fashion, the modern state of Ukraine insists there is no "the" and individual Ukranians will get mad at you if you say "the Ukraine"
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Jan 13, 2019 00:32
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MikeCrotch posted:I mean The comparisons don’t really work. You say “The United States of America” or “The United Kingdom of blah blah yes fuckers we all know the difference between britain england scotland and most of ulster” the same way you say “The French Republic” or “The Federal Republic of Germany” Saying “the Congo” or “the Ukraine” in modern parlance is kinda sketchier.
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Jan 13, 2019 00:39
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LatwPIAT posted:Ah! More Norwegians! This means I can ask you the critical question of the ages: Hmm... can't tell honestly. I skimped on conscription myself and I don't know anyone who's currently in the military, I'm willing to bet most of the people I know who were either 1)likely wouldn't remember even if they knew or 2)they never handled one (a couple of them were in the Royal Guard's drill troop and stuff like that). Norwegian military's own site on it says it was adopted in 1966 under the designation NM72-F1 and supplies these two pictures of the Norwegian model.   Other than that, by searching I can only find an article about an accident that occured in Afghanistan with the backblast and a safety brochure which mentions the weapons, also just as the NM72-F1. e: Though having just now noticed you called it the critical question of the ages. I begin to think this was more of a joke and no one knows. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 13, 2019 |
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Jan 13, 2019 00:41
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In Finnish we say Tsekki or Tsekin tasavalta (republic). The latter sounds more respectful. Czechia is problematic, I would translate it to Tsekkilä or Tsekinmaa (Czechland). "Tsekia" sounds like a washing detergent, not a country.HEY GUNS posted:would they get mad if someone tried to bring "bohemia" back "The Kingdom of Bohemia and Moravia" certainly would be better
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Jan 13, 2019 00:45
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The comparisons don’t really work. You say “The United States of America” or “The United Kingdom of blah blah yes fuckers we all know the difference between britain england scotland and most of ulster” the same way you say “The French Republic” or “The Federal Republic of Germany”
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Jan 13, 2019 00:45
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sullat posted:Speaking of, there's a rich dentist in Texas that has a restored Sherman Tank in front of his house, much to the anger of the local HOA. His position, of course, is 'I'm rich and I've got a tank, make me move it.' I tutored a kid in that neighborhood 10+ years ago and ever since I have been upset I didn't overlap with the tank.
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Jan 13, 2019 00:49
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I thought saying "the Ukraine" these days would get interpreted as "that place called 'Ukraine' where everybody should starve to death." Or at least that's how people would react.
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Jan 13, 2019 00:56
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HEY GUNS posted:would they get mad if someone tried to bring "bohemia" back Are you going to pay to change all the stationery? I mean if you were they might jump at it!
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Jan 13, 2019 01:03
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I thought saying "the Ukraine" these days would get interpreted as "that place called 'Ukraine' where everybody should starve to death." Or at least that's how people would react.
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Jan 13, 2019 01:07
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Chillyrabbit posted:Are you going to pay to change all the stationery? I mean if you were they might jump at it!
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Jan 13, 2019 01:08
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The insane former dictator of Gambia insisted that people call it The Gambia, but gently caress him.
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Phanatic posted:drat that’s a good post. I enjoy talking about carriers, but their disposals were long ago finalized. SS United States is an ongoing embarrassment. Incidentally, she is listed on the National Register for national significance but is not designated as a National Historic Landmark. My assumption would be owner objection or integrity issues. ”Historic American Engineering Record Survey for SS United States” posted:Significance: The steamship United States is one of America’s finest engineering achievements. Its design and construction between 1943 and 1952 harnessed the technological skill and industrial capacity of the United States after World War II to create the fastest and safest passenger ship ever built. It was a colorful, comfortable luxury hotel able to carry 2,000 passengers and 1,000 crew members across the inhospitable Atlantic Ocean at high speed in any weather at any time of year as well as to double, if necessary, as a naval auxiliary in times of national emergency. Its designers, led by the eminent naval architect William Francis Gibbs, paid unprecedented attention in its design and fit-out to reducing weight and preventing fire, with the result, in part, that more aluminum was used in the ship’s construction than had been used in any construction project on land or sea up to that time. The ship’s maiden voyage set records that still stand for the fastest east- and westbound crossings of the Atlantic Ocean by a vessel in commercial service. The United States enjoyed a healthy following among the traveling public and was widely acclaimed in professional circles for its performance, superlative engineering, and high quality construction. Unable to compete with commercial airliners without government subsidies, the ship was withdrawn from service in 1969. It has been idle since, and the SS United States Conservancy, the vessel’s owner since 2011, is currently working to redevelop it as a shoreside attraction. The SS United States was listed in the National Register of Historic Places in 1999. If I had money she would be my project. I would restore her, maker her operational, and then give cruises of naval battle sites around the world. Historians and veterans would give background and context on the way to the site, on the day/night of blow-by-blow account with auxiliary ships/aircraft if possible, and the way back home would involve dissection and analysis. Olympia is at the top of my need to see list. She is an absolute treasure. If my furlough continues past MLK and congress votes for backpay, I will make it this month. Next time I can get out to San Francisco on business, Pampanito and FDR’s Potomac are my priorities. Cessna posted:Thanks! I am not an attorney and am posting based on recollections of things that happened long ago, thank you for more info. NHHC was the only DoD job I had been interested in applying for. Perhaps I should be reconsidering my stance on DoD employment. Right now I am very specifically not working for the National Park Service. I’ve met a few people in the NHHC Archives when I popped in to research last month. Turns out I should have held off and used my December time for NARA research. I really need to do a better job making friends at NHHC if I’m ever going to get to chat with Robert Cressman. zoux posted:I had no idea there was so much sniping over this, surprised the Ranger foundation didn't publish that Saratoga has a child out of wedlock with the maid Individual attempts were made to save Forrestal (CV-59), Saratoga (CV-60), and Ranger (CV-61). All failed. There’s something to be said for the battleship naming convention. Being named after a state is useful both for the original authorization and for the disposal. Of the pre-war capital ships and carriers only Texas remains. Since WWII the US has preserved 8 battleships spanning 4 classes in comparison to 5 carriers spanning just 2 classes. All four Iowas are museum ships and not one of the Forrestals were saved from the scrap yard. There’s a good case study waiting to be written comparing the Iowa preservation successes against the Forrestal preservation failures. Maybe a nuclear carrier could become a museum if we funded the presidential library system more.
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Randarkman posted:Though having just now noticed you called it the critical question of the ages. I begin to think this was more of a joke and no one knows. Through extensive research, I've managed to verify it is, in fact, an A4 or A5, and not just a plain A2/A3 (or worse, an A1). However, there are significant difference between the A4 and A5, and the only way to tell them apart is by markings or the warhead. The A4 and A5 launchers are the same.
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Jan 13, 2019 01:32
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LatwPIAT posted:Through extensive research, I've managed to verify it is, in fact, an A4 or A5, and not just a plain A2/A3 (or worse, an A1). However, there are significant difference between the A4 and A5, and the only way to tell them apart is by markings or the warhead. The A4 and A5 launchers are the same. With regards to the The in country names here's some etymology dude talking about it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18233844
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Urcinius posted:Maybe a nuclear carrier could become a museum if we funded the presidential library system more. After the boondoggle the Navy went through preserving Nautilus, I don’t think you’re ever going to see another nuclear-propelled USN ship preserved. By the time you safe the thing, you don’t have much of a ship left to preserve.
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Czechia is in use in Russian, and it's not a new thing either. Nobody says "Czech Republic".Comrade Koba posted:Nice, thanks! This is a factory #183 production tank, definitely not Czech.
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fartknocker posted:Just a heads up, the link to the “Valentine I, II, and IV” article leads to the “Valentine II and IV in the USSR” page. Weird, no idea how that happened. Thanks for the tip, it's fixed now.
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Taerkar posted:Again, I'm referring to the WWII Enterprise, CV-6, not Rickover's big beautiful baby CVN-65 I realize this quote is from a couple pages back, but I will not miss an opportunity to post my favorite patch;  (high ranking officers were not amused)
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Ensign Expendable posted:Czechia is in use in Russian, and it's not a new thing either. Nobody says "Czech Republic". In Russian, you mean? Ensign Expendable posted:This is a factory #183 production tank, definitely not Czech. This is the weirdest superpower.
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Jan 13, 2019 03:24
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It’s sucks that all of the preserved WWII carriers were modified to have angled flight decks.
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Is it true that if you serve below decks on an aircraft carrier that you can go literally weeks without seeing the sun?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is it true that if you serve below decks on an aircraft carrier that you can go literally weeks without seeing the sun? Somewhere a submariner is crying.
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dublish posted:Somewhere a submariner is crying. Oh yeah, I forgot about those guys. They don’t count they get what they signed up for.
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dublish posted:Somewhere a submariner is crying. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about those guys. They don’t count they get what they signed up for. People seriously underestimate just how miserable it can get being isolated on a ship for weeks or months at a time. I've done exactly one five-week expedition on a civilian research vessel as part of my PhD studies and it was one of the worst experiences of my life. Sea voyage veteran: bring a carton or two of cigarettes, it's like prison, they'll be valuable currency a couple weeks in. Newbie: haha that's funny! Sea voyage veteran: I'm dead serious. Also the Shellback hazing ceremonies for crossing the Equator and stuff are the absolute dumbest poo poo imaginable.
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Jan 13, 2019 06:27
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Think the longest I went without bothering to go outside was two weeks. Didn’t really phase me but I can’t imagine being a submariner.
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This guy managed to spend four months inside while he was working as a contractor on DEW radar sites: http://www.dewlineadventures.com/stories/ quote:For some inexplicable reason, probably boredom, I started seeing how long I could sleep each day. I got into a pattern of getting up every morning at 7:30 a.m. and grabbing some breakfast before starting my day shift at 8 a.m. At the end of the shift at 4 p.m., I’d crawl into bed for an hour or two before waking up and having supper. Right after supper, instead of watching a movie or reading a book, I’d go back to bed and sleep until 7:30 the next morning. It was a pattern I was to repeat day after day for a few months.
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It’s possible to spend a pretty long time indoors someplace like Tokyo, with good metro service that can connects directly to residential, office, and retail spaces. People have even done it with the Minneapolis’ Skyway.
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Jan 13, 2019 06:51
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about those guys. They don’t count they get what they signed up for. Unless you're a Navy linguist, those guys can get assigned basically anywhere. One of my friends was unlucky enough to end up on a sub and he was about as happy with it as you can imagine. Navy manning can be hosed in general from what I've seen, even in comparison to the other branches.
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What country was that in? I thought pretty much everyone had a rule that you had to volunteer for subs.
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Don Gato posted:Unless you're a Navy linguist, those guys can get assigned basically anywhere. One of my friends was unlucky enough to end up on a sub and he was about as happy with it as you can imagine. Navy manning can be hosed in general from what I've seen, even in comparison to the other branches. What does a linguist do on a submarine? Did they call him the “Conning Linguist”?
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