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Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

Morphix posted:

I think I may jump in with some multi-crew stuff and maybe take photos for people or just enjoy the sights. I don't really have a kitted out long range explorer aside from my 56ly aspx, but I've never done long range exploration and the few times I have it just ended with me running out of fuel. You need the ASM thing to create stuff on the fly right? Do I need to do a bunch of material hunting before this trip?

I think at 56 ly you can also cross the sparse neighbourhood of Beagle Point, but you can source jump mats around there if you bring a buggy.
What's an ASM? I bring a fuel scoop to scoop fuel from stars. If you have that and fly carefully, there is no limit to how far you can go.
I bring a fuel scoop, discovery scanners, a buggy, a light shield for planetary landings, and a single heat sink with 3 charges. Most people also bring a repair kit ('AFMU') but I don't have room in my small ship. I fly carefully, leave heat at most 65% when scooping, so I expect to return with some 80% hull.
At 53ly jump range it's the longest jump range I've ever had when going to BP.

Edit: Elite:

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Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Nyast posted:

That's even missing the point. It's even okay for a game to take 8 years to release, but SC isn't even close to release. Also, unlike these other games that took 8 years, SC/SQ42 did announce a 2014-2015-2016-2017 etc.. release and failed every single time. All while taking backer's money.

Imagine EA announceing that their big next game would release next year, and start to get pre-order money for it, and 4 years later there's still no release. These SC whiteknights would be the first ones to scream "scummy evil publishers", while SC is doing exactly the same.

Strawmen aren’t there to be detailed, they’re there to occupy the time of people pointing out why the strawman is wrong, which then leads to a bullshit fractal.

You’re looking at a historical record; they are invested in protecting their world view. You’re engaging a whole evidential cycle of evaluation based on what you know, they’re going with gut, or common sense, or what confirmation they can drag out. That’s suggesting that there’s malice involved, but being ignorant of how large the problem is indistinguishable, it’s just unlikely with some of the more strident voices.

Morphix posted:

Oh cheers. Ya I'm not gaming on a laptop, it's a built PC, I just had a ~2014 XPS that died three times due to the GPU overheating issue, so I just grabbed the SSD out of the thing and threw it in my box. Works well enough but I'm sure if I had one of those EVO drives things would be better, but I've been pc gaming since win 3.11, so tiny performance increases don't matter to me. Going from a 5400rpm drive to any SSD is all that matters.

What I think is most surprising to me is just how well a 5+yr old cpu still does when paired with a fairly decent gpu and some ram. We're so past the point where upgrading every 1-2yrs is a thing, I kind of wonder what game will force me to upgrade, or if I'll just go back to console gaming for newer stuff.

Samsung has a lock on particular kind of SSD technology at the moment which means that the 860 and 860 pro outperform pretty much everything, while the price per gigabyte gets into manageable levels, so the budget track is getting your OS off spinning rust, stat, then picking whatever strategy for the mp3/porn/animeporn/iso collection and those steam game drives.

I tend to work on the three year rule for hard drives. I’m personally upgrading graphics cards every couple of years to a generation behind the bleeding edge, motherboard/processor/ram every five years or so. Everything enters a cascade here, though, with a hierachy of boxes. Spinning disks get dismantled, and everything else gets handed out to whoever i know that needs a lightly used graphics card. People are super fussy these days, though.

CPUs didn’t really move far because they’re losing their role as the single chokepoint now. The old four core convergence with the consoles didn’t have the same pushers as the GPU and storage crowd. Hell, networking has been stalled for a while because we’re not sure what the model is for the future.

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development

Beexoffel posted:

Whom among you is taking part in Distant Worlds 2? We leave tonight for some five months trek across the Milky Way.

Obsidian Ant is livestreaming the start of that now https://www.twitch.tv/obsidianant

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Mr.Tophat posted:

People saw that planes with cargo came down onto airfields. They built airfields in order to create plane landings as they wanted cargo. They even manned the fake air traffic control towers. No planes came.

It was a cult.

that's nuts

also: free tophat

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Nyast posted:

That's even missing the point. It's even okay for a game to take 8 years to release, but SC isn't even close to release. Also, unlike these other games that took 8 years, SC/SQ42 did announce a 2014-2015-2016-2017 etc.. release and failed every single time. All while taking backer's money.

Imagine EA announceing that their big next game would release next year, and start to get pre-order money for it, and 4 years later there's still no release. These SC whiteknights would be the first ones to scream "scummy evil publishers", while SC is doing exactly the same.

September 2016

HoneyBakedMAN
Oct 26, 2007
Sliced for babewiches

JugbandDude posted:

Thanks to anime man for sparking the credit score conversation, as I need to build one myself.

Anime man has been the best credit card user ever since he was a little girl.

Seriously though, he's just as narcissistic and delusional as Sandy, and proud of accomplishments that are even less impressive. Who the hell goes online to brag about a credit score?

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

HoneyBakedMAN posted:

Anime man has been the best credit card user ever since he was a little girl.

Seriously though, he's just as narcissistic and delusional as Sandy, and proud of accomplishments that are even less impressive. Who the hell goes online to brag about a credit score?

Sounds like someone has a 420 credit score.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010





Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire
The start of Distant Worlds 2 was a disconnectfest.
I managed the first jump and scan a planet before being kicked.
10,000 players going to the same star at the same time was too much.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Beexoffel posted:

The start of Distant Worlds 2 was a disconnectfest.
I managed the first jump and scan a planet before being kicked.
10,000 players going to the same star at the same time was too much.

Heh, it was fun, but yeah, as soon as i tried to jump out of the next system it all went pants.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Mirificus posted:

September 2016


So, Cymelion is basically admitting there was no way CIG were going to release SC/SQ42 in 2015 and that he and CIG knew this, and yet is fine with the lies.

He's also admitting development started in 2011.

But i bet if you confronted him with any of those points he would find some way of defending it.

Wow, and that was a year ago.

HoneyBakedMAN
Oct 26, 2007
Sliced for babewiches

Lladre posted:

Sounds like someone has a 420 credit score.

420 credit score, smoke space jpgs every day.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Beexoffel posted:

I think at 56 ly you can also cross the sparse neighbourhood of Beagle Point, but you can source jump mats around there if you bring a buggy.
What's an ASM? I bring a fuel scoop to scoop fuel from stars. If you have that and fly carefully, there is no limit to how far you can go.
I bring a fuel scoop, discovery scanners, a buggy, a light shield for planetary landings, and a single heat sink with 3 charges. Most people also bring a repair kit ('AFMU') but I don't have room in my small ship. I fly carefully, leave heat at most 65% when scooping, so I expect to return with some 80% hull.
At 53ly jump range it's the longest jump range I've ever had when going to BP.

Edit: Elite:


I had 60LY range with a Phantom but switched to the Krait Mk2 at the last minute so dropped to 51. But its ok, can source some jumpoinium for if its needed. Might help crossing the abyss. I did DW1 with 40LY range IIRC.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Nyast posted:

That's even missing the point. It's even okay for a game to take 8 years to release, but SC isn't even close to release.

This.

But backers would also handwave it away with the usual excuses: Oh, the first X years don't count because they were still building the company. What? 2015 release? No, that was before they expanded the scope! Besides, they are doing so much that has never been done before, groundbreaking tech, so of course its going to take longer. And its already better than any other AAA game out there! What do you mean its a buggy mess? ITS ALPHA you TROLL!

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

Agony Aunt posted:

I had 60LY range with a Phantom but switched to the Krait Mk2 at the last minute so dropped to 51. But its ok, can source some jumpoinium for if its needed. Might help crossing the abyss. I did DW1 with 40LY range IIRC.

51 ly should be fine. Just some jumponium for the remote stars near Beagle Point I think. Or fly around the sparsest bit of the Abyss.

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

Quavers posted:

Obsidian Ant is livestreaming the start of that now https://www.twitch.tv/obsidianant

Unfortunately his connection dropped on jump... FDev people in DC are telling us they're working on it. Currently I'm back in Solo.

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:
:woop: ARGCast Today :woop:
Confirmed Guests: TheAgent, Bootcha, Citizen Tech Talk guy.
Start time will be sometime around 13:00 PM UTC (5:00 PM EST, 2:00 PM PST)
https://www.twitch.tv/virtual_captain


I think the last episode was Season 3 Episode 3? If someone remembers better plz post so I intro today right. If I don't pass out after recording I'll edit/post some of the old shows and get us caught up.

Deadguy2322
Dec 16, 2017

Greatness Awaits

Virtual Captain posted:

:woop: ARGCast Today :woop:
Confirmed Guests: TheAgent, Bootcha, Citizen Tech Talk guy.
Start time will be sometime around 13:00 PM UTC (5:00 PM EST, 2:00 PM PST)
https://www.twitch.tv/virtual_captain


I think the last episode was Season 3 Episode 3? If someone remembers better plz post so I intro today right. If I don't pass out after recording I'll edit/post some of the old shows and get us caught up.

Please do get the editing and posting up! It’s been WAAAAAAAAYYYY too long!

Bootcha
Nov 13, 2012

Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending
Grimey Drawer

Virtual Captain posted:

3? If someone remembers better plz post so I intro today right. If I don't pass out after recording I'll edit/post some of the old shows and get us caught up.

New Year, new CIG, it's a new season.

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


Virtual Captain posted:

:woop: ARGCast Today :woop:
Confirmed Guests: TheAgent, Bootcha, Citizen Tech Talk guy.
Start time will be sometime around 13:00 PM UTC (5:00 PM EST, 2:00 PM PST)
https://www.twitch.tv/virtual_captain


I think the last episode was Season 3 Episode 3? If someone remembers better plz post so I intro today right. If I don't pass out after recording I'll edit/post some of the old shows and get us caught up.

why on earth do you not have twitch archive the streams

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Virtual Captain posted:

:woop: ARGCast Today :woop:
Confirmed Guests: TheAgent, Bootcha, Citizen Tech Talk guy.
Start time will be sometime around 13:00 PM UTC (5:00 PM EST, 2:00 PM PST)
https://www.twitch.tv/virtual_captain


I think the last episode was Season 3 Episode 3? If someone remembers better plz post so I intro today right. If I don't pass out after recording I'll edit/post some of the old shows and get us caught up.

:five:

Thank goodness — it’s been too long, VC!

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

Reddit trash posting is making this "dumb company does a thing" thread pretty hard to read.

If you like the morons on Reddit so much you should just go out and have lunch with them. Get pancakes. Grab a coffee.

Spare us and just don't post it here. It's very annoying to scroll past on my phone.

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

Creepy dude leaving USB drive on table is good. What versauce said is bad.

Start citizen fan art created by the power of mushrooms good. Miku vr chat adventures bad.

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development

Virtual Captain posted:

:woop: ARGCast Today :woop:
Confirmed Guests: TheAgent, Bootcha, Citizen Tech Talk guy.
Start time will be sometime around 13:00 PM UTC (5:00 PM EST, 2:00 PM PST)
https://www.twitch.tv/virtual_captain


I think the last episode was Season 3 Episode 3? If someone remembers better plz post so I intro today right. If I don't pass out after recording I'll edit/post some of the old shows and get us caught up.

5pm EST = 2pm PST = 10pm UTC

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Raskolnikov posted:

Creepy dude leaving USB drive on table is good. What versauce said is bad.

Start citizen fan art created by the power of mushrooms good. Miku vr chat adventures bad.

I concur, but I think the access codes for the Mirificus bot have been lost a long time ago.

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:

Ramadu posted:

why on earth do you not have twitch archive the streams

videos just expire unless you have a ton of followers or something.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
we caught a true believer in the giant bomb thread today

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Lladre posted:

The ironic thing is that this brand new 256 gig SSD won't even have enough space to play SC if it's the only thing on it.

I guess if Star Citizen ever got all 100-ish fleshed out systems that might be true, but it's not like that's ever going to happen.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Hav posted:

M2 is the new hotness because it avoids the SATA interface bullshit entirely and plugs into the bus. Bit of a problem ‘stepping up’ drives because you only get one M2 socket on most boards yet, but I expect external or M2 adaptors to cover that by the time i need it. I’m due to do a ‘clean install’ of windows at some point, but I’ve shepherded this on for eight years with a bunch of scripts to clean down. I’m just supes lazy at going through the acquired poo poo.

Ah, so that's where it's all going. I'm still seeing mSATA and NVme around. Would there be an alternative by daisy-chaining drives from one M2 socket, they're not exactly small particularly with the advent of USFF on desktops? edit: Duh no they'll just reimplement backplanes for PCs ugh.

More on topic, I'm waiting on getting an SM57-like mic and a windshield but I am working on parps.

ewe2 fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jan 14, 2019

Experimental Skin
Apr 16, 2016

ewe2 posted:

Ah, so that's where it's all going. I'm still seeing mSATA and NVme around. Would there be an alternative by daisy-chaining drives from one M2 socket, they're not exactly small particularly with the advent of USFF on desktops? edit: Duh no they'll just reimplement backplanes for PCs ugh.

More on topic, I'm waiting on getting an SM57-like mic and a windshield but I am working on parps.

M.2 is the slot form factor, like the slot standard of PCI-e. It can pretend to be a legacy SATA, AHCI or using an NVM-e drive you get the full speed of it's 4 x lanes.

If you want to run Robert Spaces' upcoming Store Citizer, you will need a free full length 16 x PCI-e slot, one of the new adapter cards which can mount four 4 x NVM-e 2TB cards running in RAID. You may still have the odd delay, but 8000MB per second can only sustain so much fidelity.

Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:

tuo posted:

that's nuts

also: free tophat

I am a slave to the creative process

I am running 8+ games of dnd.

First game on Tuesday. Crunch time is real.

:okpos:

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

LOL, the man is insane.

"Do you think that a software company is given a specific amount of money for a project and told that is all they will get?"

Yes, i do, depending on the type of project. It used to be the standard and still is in many areas (notably government outsourcing contracts - although often the developers can squeeze the goverment for a lot more as governments tend to change specifications from their "fixed" specifications half way through and everything has to be completely redone - but that's just how it is with government outsourcing).

We still get "Fixed Price" projects from time to time, where the scope is definied and we have to deliver based on our quote.

Of course, we do try and sell "agile" and "time and materials", since customers are a pain and change their minds every day.

In CIGs case, they are the ones defining the scope, so they are the ones who should have fixed the scope and said how much it will cost and how long to deliver. They have consistently failed to do this time and again and its clear they are now totally dependent on funding from backers and other investors to see the game delivered.

Tokyo Sexwale
Jul 30, 2003

That's not just standard across software engineering - most of the jobs I've been a part of were lump-sum too, time and materials was really only one company that I worked with as a client.

SquirrelGrip
Jul 4, 2012

Agony Aunt posted:


Of course, we do try and sell "agile" and "time and materials", since customers are a pain and change their minds every day.


his understanding leads me to believe he is one of those

too stupid to be involved, too vocal to ignore, but must be consulted because they are a computer toucher

Morphix
May 21, 2003

by Reene

"please someone be my friend and talk to me"

SquirrelGrip
Jul 4, 2012

Jason Sextro posted:

That's not just standard across software engineering - most of the jobs I've been a part of were lump-sum too, time and materials was really only one company that I worked with as a client.

we do our best to fix price engineering and dev (p/hr rates and effort required which we show to clients), less so everything above the line unless i can limit scope and i know i am making good margin

otherwise gently caress you its T&M because of these risks on your side

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no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

Agony Aunt posted:

LOL, the man is insane.

In CIGs case, they are the ones defining the scope, so they are the ones who should have fixed the scope and said how much it will cost and how long to deliver. They have consistently failed to do this time and again and its clear they are now totally dependent on funding from backers and other investors to see the game delivered.

Lol agreed. Another thing that keyboard warriors often miss is how milestones are IMPORTANT to paydays.

Lets say, I've a project for a cool $5m. Contract will dictate how that $5m is split out across the duration of the project schedule. It can vary between $500K as the initial payment and $500k per milestone reached. A generous customer would throw in a bonus if you did everything right and delivered on all promises.

However throughout hitting milestone to milestone, it can be shaky, hell sometimes you gotta stretch it out abit or renegotiate the contract. That's project management for you. Often teams would stretch it out bit by bit cause the money is good.

For CIG, they basically have an open blank signed checkbook which they can easily write bonuses for themselves and absolve themselves for non delivery.

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