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Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Guze posted:

We can go smoother.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1084897309408837632

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Katt
Nov 14, 2017


The Vaticans wall with the shelter that feeds the homeless? :v:

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011


I know we say this like weekly, but man he really does seem like he's just reaching new lows just in terms of lucidity.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Radish posted:

I just realized they tagged Trump's Twitter account in that tweet instead of just reporting his name. They are so desperate to be noticed by strong daddy it's sickening.


I love this so much. Our garbage media has gone way too long without any actual critisism for their role in how things have gotten.

The WHCA is the White House Communications Agency. Why are you talking about this like it’s something the press is saying?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

T.C. posted:

Not needing a referral is unusual for a specialist clinic and no base level rooms may be something they needed an exception for, but it sounds to be generally in the spirit of the overall system. There are lots of private specialist clinics around that work by being efficient at one thing.

The no-referral thing may be unusual, but one of the surgeons explained it to me: apparently, they were having trouble with non-specialists diagnosing hernias improperly, so they just said "gently caress it, we'll do all the exams ourselves so they're done correctly."

Maybe the exception had something to do with not playing nicely with the general waiting list for surgery? I'm not sure how any of that works, to be honest.

theblackw0lf
Apr 15, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"
When was the last time Dems won polls on the issue of security?

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1084889438407352321

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
61 support for border security isn’t great tho and I’m still displeased that the Democratic compromise position remains “we stand for smart border security and not dumb wall :smug:

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Katt posted:

The Vaticans wall with the shelter that feeds the homeless? :v:

there was a guy with no arms that had pringles cans on his arm stumps when I visited the vatican. So lets get that for the US border.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

I like now there is always one large crying man in these stories now.

Agent Burt Macklin
Jul 3, 2003

Macklin, you son of a bitch

Krispy Wafer posted:

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is whether some of these employees are even coming back. If you are a contractor you're not getting paid for this down time. You should have probably been looking for a new job after two weeks of this poo poo. If they get a new job, it could still take a few weeks to start, so even if the shutdown is ended today, the guy or gal that comes back to work may just clean out their desk and leave.

Day cares in government buildings MIGHT be insulated since parent's are still paying at least half-fee's during the shutdown. But if that money isn't trickling down to the workers they may have already gotten other work. This shutdown is going to end with operations at some departments half staffed. Jobs like the TSA (low skilled) or ATC (lots near retirement age) are especially vulnerable. We could be looking at months before stuff starts running smoothly again.

National Parks might be okay. Ranger jobs are pretty coveted. Those guys aren't going anywhere.

My husband is in a coveted job in the federal government - they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars training him, and he has dedicated his professional life to this country. I know, I know - that sounds very corny. But my better half is an Eagle Scout who has never voted Republican in his life, and just wants to Be a Good Person. He got accepted into the Coast Guard's officer school after he finished college, but didn't end up attending. People like him aren't going to quit, we have to just ride this out. :(

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Katt posted:

The Vaticans wall with the shelter that feeds the homeless? :v:

Trump is unironically correct though- we absolutely should tear down the Vatican as well.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
Trump is probably up on stage wondering when he'll finally be allowed to leave the White House.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


skeleton warrior posted:

The WHCA is the White House Communications Agency. Why are you talking about this like it’s something the press is saying?

No it's the White House Correspondents Association.

Lightning Knight posted:

61 support for border security isn’t great tho and I’m still displeased that the Democratic compromise position remains “we stand for smart border security and not dumb wall :smug:

Yeah Tim Kaine was in the press saying of course the Democrats want to spend a ton on border security are you insane?

Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jan 14, 2019

Toobly
Feb 19, 2013


Man he really needs another psych eval

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Lightning Knight posted:

61 support for border security isn’t great tho and I’m still displeased that the Democratic compromise position remains “we stand for smart border security and not dumb wall :smug:

They’re not getting any message besides that or Wall, so I’m not too surprised. If you described American border policy under Reagan most Democrats today would probably say it’s way too lax.

I mean, much of the credit for the modern situation on how people get deported is Bill Clinton’s handiwork:

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11515132/iirira-clinton-immigration

Immigration policy as it stands now is the product of bipartisan efforts. This is true with a lot of unpopular policies that a newly woke post-2016 Democratic Party base has not reckoned with because it’s still fundamentally attached to the idea that we gotta love our ex presidents.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1084897888776478720
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1084898977651351552

Soylent Yellow
Nov 5, 2010

yospos

Krispy Wafer posted:

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is whether some of these employees are even coming back. If you are a contractor you're not getting paid for this down time. You should have probably been looking for a new job after two weeks of this poo poo. If they get a new job, it could still take a few weeks to start, so even if the shutdown is ended today, the guy or gal that comes back to work may just clean out their desk and leave.

As well, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot actually don't want to come back. I can see somebody who depends on a regular salary to support their family deciding that they don't want to put up with repeat performances of this bullshit for the next 2-6 years now that Trump has developed a taste for going "Who runs Bartertown?"

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
Poor Daniel Dale.

Just because the irs is shut down doesnt mean that their aren't taxes.

https://twitter.com/MeowMeowBeamz/status/1084824051044904962

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

theblackw0lf posted:

When was the last time Dems won polls on the issue of security?

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1084889438407352321

These numbers just keep getting worse for the GOP and Trump haha

Gonna be fun when air travel shuts down and it really gets bad

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Air travel shuts down, and rent/mortgage is due for 800,000 people who skipped a paycheck

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



'Do you support border security without the wall' seems like one of those poll questions that is effectively meaningless, apart from measuring who likes the wall

Priapus Unbound
Aug 28, 2011



This entire twitter feed is well done live fact checking that isn't afraid to use the word 'lie' a lot.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

Daniel Dale is someone I almost worry for. Like he would get a Trump call out to punish him while at a rally or something bad

reitetsu
Sep 27, 2009

Should you find yourself here one day... In accordance with your crimes, you can rest assured I will give you the treatment you deserve.

Priapus Unbound posted:

This entire twitter feed is well done live fact checking that isn't afraid to use the word 'lie' a lot.

I was just gonna say, I appreciate seeing someone actually say, yeah no, these are lies.

stillvisions
Oct 15, 2014

I really should have come up with something better before spending five bucks on this.

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

The Canada Health Act doesn't actually dictate delivery, only health insurance. i.e. privately administered clinics and hospitals are perfectly fine. It's just they must always accept public health insurance.

According to a few sources out there private hospitals were banned in 1973 in Ontario with the aptly-named Private Hospitals Act, just that Shouldice and a few others were grandfathered. There's been controversy with this in the past when the hospital changed hands, and there was at least some movement to repeal the Private Hospitals Act under Wynne, not sure if it's gone through now.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/lif...article4550469/

Don't worry, I wasn't bringing this up as a bad faith gotcha on Canadian health care; I'm Canadian and a big supporter of the system we have here, thankyouverymuch. Just thought it was an interesting case of a Hospital that sorta plays outside the rules, but as the quoted post below discusses, is (mostly) free (if you live in the right part of town).

PT6A posted:

As a Canadian who was treated there: mostly correct, but I'll add some additional info based on my own experience.

-snip

Cool, interesting info. I know of Shouldice myself from my parents (Doctor and Nurse) and the fact I grew up down the road from it. They consider it a bit of an odd duck; according to them it bends the rules of the Canadian healthcare system in some ways but get away with it because of grandfathering, being really good at hernias and staying in their lane (also hernias), or at least that was their opinion. The semi-private room is a bit of a hack on their part to get some extra fees in there; how much was it to get that mandatory "feature"? Usually it's not too bad for hospitals, just wondering.

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME
loving joe manchin is working on a bipartisan senate deal? gently caress that

Toobly
Feb 19, 2013


Everything he says makes more sense if you replace "People" with "I".

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

This sort of stuff is why I don't think the shutdown can't last past February, let alone two years. It's just too catastrophic to become BAU.

The question isn't will someone crack, the question is who cracks first. Considering the cracks in the Senate that have already appeared, and the Democrats really not taking the blame... I feel optimistic that McConnell holds a vote by Friday.

CascadeBeta
Feb 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747

Tibalt posted:

This sort of stuff is why I don't think the shutdown can't last past February, let alone two years. It's just too catastrophic to become BAU.

The question isn't will someone crack, the question is who cracks first. Considering the cracks in the Senate that have already appeared, and the Democrats really not taking the blame... I feel optimistic that McConnell holds a vote by Friday.

The problem with McConnell holding a vote is that's only half the solution. You'd still have to get house repubs to come up to bat for a veto override, assuming Trump doesn't just whine about the betrayal and sign the cr. If he does veto it, you need 2/3rds of the house. And that's a tall order.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Spiritus Nox posted:

I know we say this like weekly, but man he really does seem like he's just reaching new lows just in terms of lucidity.

It’s like a time-lapse video of an apple rotting if that apple was President of the United States of America.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

CascadeBeta posted:

The problem with McConnell holding a vote is that's only half the solution. You'd still have to get house repubs to come up to bat for a veto override, assuming Trump doesn't just whine about the betrayal and sign the cr. If he does veto it, you need 2/3rds of the house. And that's a tall order.

i don't think turtle even wants to get to an overide. if the clean stuff passes and trump kills it, then its all on trump and trump will get all the blame and the turtle can keep doing his littlefinger poo poo to keep his power.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Tibalt posted:

This sort of stuff is why I don't think the shutdown can't last past February, let alone two years. It's just too catastrophic to become BAU.

The question isn't will someone crack, the question is who cracks first. Considering the cracks in the Senate that have already appeared, and the Democrats really not taking the blame... I feel optimistic that McConnell holds a vote by Friday.

I'm still worried that the Dems will bend and eventually break from the sheer human misery it causes. Trump gets his wall and the Dems then end up taking the blame too.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

bobjr posted:

Daniel Dale is someone I almost worry for. Like he would get a Trump call out to punish him while at a rally or something bad


Dale tweets from home.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007



This is some fine work. Like, separately from the intended message (which I also approve of), someone spent a lot of time and effort making this.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

mod sassinator posted:

No one getting a good new job within 2 weeks in this economy. At least, no one without a CS degree and specialization in machine learning, AI, etc.

In this economy? If you are an unskilled laborer you can find an another unskilled job. If you are an IT contractor you can find another IT contracting job. Those aren’t difficult.

If you are an office worker with decent pay and good benefits, then yeah - you should probably wait out the shutdown. But there are a significant number of government workers for whom a lovely private sector job is a lateral move that at least provides a steady paycheck. If only 10% leave that still creates a significant drag even after you account for the month-long work stoppage.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

I don't know how to mentally move forward from the fact that Trump thinks "Building a wall to protect American lives" > "Compromising on border security to protect Americans by ensuring they can eat."

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

Katt posted:

I'm still worried that the Dems will bend and eventually break from the sheer human misery it causes. Trump gets his wall and the Dems then end up taking the blame too.

I'm worried now that Manchin is going to undermine the rest of the Dems by coming up with some bullshit "bipartisan" agreement that fucks everyone else over but shifts the narrative to "well see the Dems could compromise but they just won't!"

cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



AlBorlantern Corps posted:

Air travel shuts down, and rent/mortgage is due for 800,000 people who skipped a paycheck

Not to mention the downstream effects of people who receive that rent to then pay other bills.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Ague Proof posted:

Dale tweets from home.

in Canada

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RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

CmdrRiker posted:

I don't know how to mentally move forward from the fact that Trump thinks "Building a wall to protect American lives" > "Compromising on border security to protect Americans by ensuring they can eat."

The wall gives a bonus to food production for some reason.

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