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T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Moridin920 posted:

apparently DoorDash guarantees $8/delivery to drivers and so what actually happens with your tip is they subtract it from the $8 payout. IE if you tip someone $5 then DoorDash just gives them $3 to make it to $8. So you gotta tip cash unless you want to just hand your tip to DoorDash corporate.

Can't just have a food delivery service without being lovely as gently caress lol

so what you're saying is that i can not tip and not feel bad

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wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008

Moridin920 posted:

apparently DoorDash guarantees $8/delivery to drivers and so what actually happens with your tip is they subtract it from the $8 payout. IE if you tip someone $5 then DoorDash just gives them $3 to make it to $8. So you gotta tip cash unless you want to just hand your tip to DoorDash corporate.

Can't just have a food delivery service without being lovely as gently caress lol

i just used DoorDash for the first time a few days ago and under the tip section it said “100% goes to the driver”. I figured that actually meant “100% goes to the driver then we take 50%” or some poo poo like that. I really wish there was an app delivery service that actually gave the driver the real tip. I don’t really carry cash around, especially singles but I don’t want to rip the drivers off either.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:

i just used DoorDash for the first time a few days ago and under the tip section it said “100% goes to the driver”. I figured that actually meant “100% goes to the driver then we take 50%” or some poo poo like that. I really wish there was an app delivery service that actually gave the driver the real tip. I don’t really carry cash around, especially singles but I don’t want to rip the drivers off either.

having worked as a delivery biker for uber eats and caviar I think 100% of the tips do go to the drivers

Day Man
Jul 30, 2007

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I don’t like that they are taking the first 8 dollars back, but it’s cool that they guarantee at least an 8 dollar tip for every delivery.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

T-man posted:

so what you're saying is that i can not tip and not feel bad

Yeah I guess or that lol

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

that parrot can lean on me and watch parks and rec

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer
tip in cash, dinguses

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
lol, what DoorDash is doing is super shady and should be illegal. In a sane country with a functional legislature, there'd be some hope of passing laws against such practices.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

Lambert posted:

lol, what DoorDash is doing is super shady and should be illegal. In a sane country with a functional legislature, there'd be some hope of passing laws against such practices.

Are you talking about the tips? Cause that entire business model ("they're not really my employees, they're just self-employed workers who use my app") is super shady and should be illegal, regardless of what they do with the tips. It's just an incredibly transparent excuse to sidestep labor laws in order to pay people less and avoid any obligations the employer might have towards them.

It's loving sickening.

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Elman posted:

Are you talking about the tips? Cause that entire business model ("they're not really my employees, they're just self-employed workers who use my app") is super shady and should be illegal, regardless of what they do with the tips. It's just an incredibly transparent excuse to sidestep labor laws in order to pay people less and avoid any obligations the employer might have towards them.

It's loving sickening.

it's the future of employment! Thanks silicon valley gig economy apps~!

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Lambert posted:

lol, what DoorDash is doing is super shady and should be illegal. In a sane country with a functional legislature, there'd be some hope of passing laws against such practices.

What is functional legislature? Is that the same sort of myth as employee rights?

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Moridin920 posted:

apparently DoorDash guarantees $8/delivery to drivers and so what actually happens with your tip is they subtract it from the $8 payout. IE if you tip someone $5 then DoorDash just gives them $3 to make it to $8. So you gotta tip cash unless you want to just hand your tip to DoorDash corporate.

Can't just have a food delivery service without being lovely as gently caress lol

This reminds me of when I was working at a casino a while back in the cage. We'd have tip boxes out, and every day our tips were logged, and we got to take home what we were tipped right away. But it turns out that what the logging of the tips was for was to subtract from our paychecks however much we got tipped.

So if you worked a ten hour shift for $10/hr, but got a $20 tip, the casino only paid you $80 for your work that day. That's the shittiest tip system I've ever seen.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


That sounds like the company stealing the tips only with more steps, which would be illegal in a real country.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016
That...how tips work in the US. Your employer has to pay you minimum wage, but they're allowed to subtract the amount you get tipped from their payout so that you stay at minimum wage to some minimum. Example: I bartended in 2004 and 2005, when min wage was $5.15. My "wage" was $2.15 plus tips, so no matter what my employee was kicking in $2.15. If I averaged out 4.15, they'd have to make up that difference and I'd get yelled at. If I averaged out at 6.15, good for me.

gently caress small business owners is what I'm saying.

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EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
No-gods-no-masters.com is probably owned by Hot Topic or something.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

100 HOGS AGREE posted:

tip in cash, dinguses

What's cash, is that some kind of app

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Powershift posted:

That sounds like the company stealing the tips only with more steps, which would be illegal in a real country.

It's how most state budgets work wrt the lottery so it's basically a great american tradition at all levels

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

mycomancy posted:

That...how tips work in the US. Your employer has to pay you minimum wage, but they're allowed to subtract the amount you get tipped from their payout so that you stay at minimum wage to some minimum. Example: I bartended in 2004 and 2005, when min wage was $5.15. My "wage" was $2.15 plus tips, so no matter what my employee was kicking in $2.15. If I averaged out 4.15, they'd have to make up that difference and I'd get yelled at. If I averaged out at 6.15, good for me.

Only in the shittier states and even then only for service industry work such as bartender or wait staff.

DoorDash people also have to pay for gas/insurance/maintenance on their car and take the risk driving around.

Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 16:46 on Jan 14, 2019

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

Moridin920 posted:

DoorDash people also have to pay for gas/insurance/maintenance on their car and take the risk driving around.

And they don't get any holidays, sick leave or maternity leave get to set their own hours!

gey muckle mowser
Aug 5, 2003

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Buglord

Shame Boy posted:

What's cash, is that some kind of app

yes https://cash.app/

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


lol imagine getting paid to start a job

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

This reminds me of when I was working at a casino a while back in the cage. We'd have tip boxes out, and every day our tips were logged, and we got to take home what we were tipped right away. But it turns out that what the logging of the tips was for was to subtract from our paychecks however much we got tipped.

So if you worked a ten hour shift for $10/hr, but got a $20 tip, the casino only paid you $80 for your work that day. That's the shittiest tip system I've ever seen.

You have to tip at a loving casino?

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

You have to tip at a loving casino?

I've only been in a casino once but movies have taught me you tip the dealer

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



[sneers in capitalism] workers... they think they have rights

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
I think it's illegal to tip in Australian casinos

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the way my tips work is I make $12/hr and keep all my tips but the irs deducts my paycheck of almost all the tips. so effectively I only keep the cash ones my boss doesn't report. Epic

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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None of the bar staff/servers I know make any cash tips. Like none whatsoever. At least according to their tax statements.

And back when I was behind a bar I never got cash tips either. And if anyone says otherwise I'll cut em.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Taintrunner posted:



lol imagine getting paid to start a job

I got $2000 for starting my current job to cover moving costs since they wanted me to start as soon as possible, which didn't really cover my moving costs, and I had to sign a bunch of special paperwork to make absolutely sure they could get the money back if I didn't work there at least x years.

I'm sure that $15 mil works the same way right :downs:

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

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Mar 5, 2014




Opabinia
Dec 21, 2011

Your Burgess Shale buddy!

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

You have to tip at a loving casino?

You better believe it buddy! The casino I work for just finished a strike, one of the big issues was that management wanted a bigger chunk of the tip pool. Most casino workers in Canada only make minimum wage and depend on tips. Dealers often make more yearly in tips than in wages.

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004


hope one of those families takes up residence luke in the tauntaun style

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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No, dig UP, stupid!

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

we deserve climate change

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JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

actionjackson posted:

we deserve climate change



yeah but im not sure if Bangladesh does

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Larry Parrish posted:

the way my tips work is I make $12/hr and keep all my tips but the irs deducts my paycheck of almost all the tips. so effectively I only keep the cash ones my boss doesn't report. Epic

There's 1 of 3 reasons for this. 1) your employers payroll team sucks and over withholds tips for some reason 2) your withholdings are set up wrong 3) both.

The most likely is #1 and ur payroll team is extrapolating very incorrectly how much additional income your tips will add throughout the year. Tips are normal income so they should be taxed at the marginal rate (including payroll tax of 7.65%). The plus side is you will get it back as a tax refund, the downside is that was an interest free loan to uncle Sam and he doesn't need interest free loans.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Outrail posted:

None of the bar staff/servers I know make any cash tips. Like none whatsoever. At least according to their tax statements.

And back when I was behind a bar I never got cash tips either. And if anyone says otherwise I'll cut em.

A friend of mine honestly believes all tips should be declared. I don't know if it's because he drank the Appleabyss corporate koolaid when he became salaried management or a genuine belief. But at Christmas his sister's husband was talking about just pocketing the tips from his side job as pizza delivery man (lol teaching in Ohio) and I got to hear a big rant about the IRS and an audit and blah blah.

Same guy also took the "don't discuss your pay rate" to heart and won't ever tell us what he makes despite nobody he knows even being in the same industry.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
that happened when he became management, absolutely

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Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

alternatively, his natural disposition to such thinking is why he was selected for management

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