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Terrorist Fistbump posted:He bought a defunct magazine's name and archives, and handed the former employees a check for back pay along with a pink slip. It's now Jacobin UK, which is better than being defunct but only barely. it was actually a still-active magazine, and he straight up lied to the writers by telling them he would keep them on the project if they accepted partial back pay and dropped their claim and lawsuit against then-owner Owen Oysten. this was a requirement of the deal negotiated between Oysten and Sunkara, by Oysten, not offered out of the goodness of Sunkara's heart. he then proceeded to fire the three writers who'd been keeping the publication running by working for free for several years. https://medium.com/@pplswar/3-fired-tribune-staffers-fact-check-bhaskar-sunkaras-statement-43b60ad4b25f
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Ace of Baes posted:The point of pouring members and resources into the Bernie 2020 campaign is to turn some of millions of volunteers and supporters into socialists. It makes sense to fold M4A into it because M4A as a standalone isn't going to be as effective or meaningful when Kamala Harris, Beto O'Rourke, Kristin Gilibrand, and Joe Biden are all saying they're going to pass "a Medicare for all plan" (not actually Medicare for all, and definitely won't get any real effort after they're elected) i can't wait until a bunch more people call themselves socialists. taste that victory
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Ace of Baes posted:The point of pouring members and resources into the Bernie 2020 campaign is to turn some of millions of volunteers and supporters into socialists. It makes sense to fold M4A into it because M4A as a standalone isn't going to be as effective or meaningful when Kamala Harris, Beto O'Rourke, Kristin Gilibrand, and Joe Biden are all saying they're going to pass "a Medicare for all plan" (not actually Medicare for all, and definitely won't get any real effort after they're elected) i thought we were told the point of organizing for "medicare for all" was that it was un-cooptable, unlike loony horizontalist notions of "healthcare justice"
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R. Guyovich posted:i can't wait until a bunch more people call themselves socialists. taste that victory Remember when Cynthia Nixon called herself a socialist the day she was up for endorsement from DSA? I wonder what working groups she's involved in
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TrilliontonNixon posted:lmao what the gently caress? Is everyone in your org a NEET or something? it happens on the weekend
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Captain Queernabs posted:i thought we were told the point of organizing for "medicare for all" was that it was un-cooptable, unlike loony horizontalist notions of "healthcare justice" I don't know who told you that but Tim Faust talks a bunch about health justice and was literally touring the country talking to dsa chapters as part of the Medicare for all program.
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Syndlig posted:it was actually a still-active magazine, and he straight up lied to the writers by telling them he would keep them on the project if they accepted partial back pay and dropped their claim and lawsuit against then-owner Owen Oysten. this was a requirement of the deal negotiated between Oysten and Sunkara, by Oysten, not offered out of the goodness of Sunkara's heart. he then proceeded to fire the three writers who'd been keeping the publication running by working for free for several years. Hmm yeah that is quite a bit worse than what I had last read
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Ace of Baes posted:I don't know who told you that but Tim Faust talks a bunch about health justice and was literally touring the country talking to dsa chapters as part of the Medicare for all program. Tim Faust is an LSC member, which is explicitly called out in that doc as being an enemy who must be defeated, so uh
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R. Guyovich posted:i can't wait until a bunch more people call themselves socialists. taste that victory I'm sure you would love if socialism in America continues being an irrelevant dead political ideology with less than 0.01% of general population in any socialist org, let alone the DSA.
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big black turnout posted:Tim Faust is an LSC member, which is explicitly called out in that doc as being an enemy who must be defeated, so uh drat, fake friends 2019
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one of the biggest dangers any left or socialist movement has is being co-opted by the democrats. therefore i see no problem folding all dsa's resources into a single democratic primary campaign.
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R. Guyovich posted:one of the biggest dangers any left or socialist movement has is being co-opted by the democrats. therefore i see no problem folding all dsa's resources into a single democratic primary campaign. *Clears throat* He's not even a Democrat.
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Ace of Baes posted:Also I'm not sure what's so sinister about them wanting to take power, that's literally the point of politics and forming ideological caucuses, are we pretending that the other caucuses don't want themselves/their allied tendencies controlling the future of the DSA? The objections to that doc seem to be about things a bit more specific than "wanting power," but in as much as there are opposing tendencies, it's not clear to me that they all want to shut down any kind of organizing that they don't like and focus organizational effort and resources into one specific campaign. For all the ranting about wreckers and the anti-M4A Illuminati, that's Momentum's deal.
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Ace of Baes posted:I'm sure you would love if socialism in America continues being an irrelevant dead political ideology with less than 0.01% of general population in any socialist org, let alone the DSA. I'm sure you would love if https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUN-fLClY3o
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Ace of Baes posted:Also I'm not sure what's so sinister about them wanting to take power, that's literally the point of politics and forming ideological caucuses, are we pretending that the other caucuses don't want themselves/their allied tendencies controlling the future of the DSA? Momentum seems like the only caucus worried about splitters for some reason 
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Business Gorillas posted:it happens on the weekend That's kinda better I guess, but I mean I work weekends and so do a lot of people. If you're looking for a good way to argue for setting the time later that would be where I'd start. A whole lot of potential comrades work lovely jobs that don't care what day of the week it is. Starbucks and McDonald's ain't gonna close just because it's the Sabbath.
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Personally I think momentum kind of sucks but so do the other caucuses, I'm hoping there's an NPC slate that pledges to outlaw caucuses and abolish the NPC, and also do that thing I said earlier about buying a factory.
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Ace of Baes posted:Also I'm not sure what's so sinister about them wanting to take power, that's literally the point of politics and forming ideological caucuses, are we pretending that the other caucuses don't want themselves/their allied tendencies controlling the future of the DSA? i literally have no idea what any of the online DSA caucuses have accomplished in the past 2 years beyond turning the chapters they run into "hey, at least we're not those guys" (momentum), finding out their own leadership are sex pests (praxis), or putting out a bunch of words and exploding before they do anything (refoundation). like, seriously, what have any of them done beyond a bunch of google docs, proclamations, and the canvass in a box (something that, as far as i know, may have existed at some point)?
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Momentum seems like the only caucus worried about splitters for some reason Well to be fair I don't think momentum supporters would leave the DSA if the LSC or whoever else won a majority on the NPC, if momentum wins there's definitely going to be some people loudly tweeting/posting mediums about how this is the last straw and they're done with the DSA. I don't know how likely a real split is, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing either way at this point, since I think whoever "splits" was likely not in it for the long run anyway.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Proud member of the "we should use nationals funds and open a bar coop" slate 
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R. Guyovich posted:i can't wait until a bunch more people call themselves socialists. taste that victory hell yeah. same. i cant wait until the political ideology that i identify with *checks notes* becomes popular with the masses
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Ace of Baes posted:Personally I think momentum kind of sucks but so do the other caucuses, I'm hoping there's an NPC slate that pledges to outlaw caucuses and abolish the NPC, and also do that thing I said earlier about buying a factory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_on_factions_in_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union 
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Postoyevsky posted:hell yeah. same. i cant wait until the political ideology that i identify with *checks notes* i·de·ol·o·gy /ˌīdēˈäləjē,ˌidēˈäləjē/ noun 1. a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:i·de·ol·o·gy whoa
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Personally I want every single person in the world to call themselves a socialist.
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We wouldn't even need a government if everyone was a socialist, we could just let it wither away, it's crazy, but it just might work.
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My other plank for the DSA is that you have to submit your tax return and everyone gets to know how rich/poor you are.
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Ace of Baes posted:We wouldn't even need a government if everyone was a socialist, we could just let it wither away, it's crazy, but it just might work. if calling yourself a socialist actually made you socialist, why's everyone on about these liberals in DSA
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Syndlig posted:so i see the thread has decided to descend into boring baby poo poo for dumb idiots so instead i'm going to talk about stuff that actually matters and post pictures from an action we did today. a bunch of comrades from all over Texas drove down to Laredo to stage a protest at the "Laredo Processing Facility", a detention center run by CoreCivic (a.k.a. Corrections Corporation of America), a for-profit private prison company that partners with ICE to detain asylum seekers, torture them, and use them as slave labour. nice! I wish my chapter still did real things. I mean we're working as part of the local may day march, but gently caress within the last month someone from our SC seriously suggested "posting bad yelp reviews of a fake abortion clinic" was the sort of activism we should be doing
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Captain Queernabs posted:https://twitter.com/franklinbynum/status/1083728114348408832 https://twitter.com/NYCNavid/status/1084222727261732865
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:if calling yourself a socialist actually made you socialist, why's everyone on about these liberals in DSA pay your maid
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ScrubLeague posted:im a socialist who loves cops 
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momentum folks Posting Through It in the far inferior dsa forums
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for anyone who doesn't post outside of this thread in cspam, whiskey juvenile was a die hard Hillary Clinton supporter from the primaries up until about 6 months ago who accidentally admitted that he doesn't pay his maid in a thread while arguing that normal working class people have servants that clean for them.
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