Navy Thread: SUBJ/TRANSMISSION OF STEAMY BITS//

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Internet VFW > Navy Thread: SUBJ/TRANSMISSION OF STEAMY BITS//

Laranzu: Jan 18, 2002

ded posted:

SSN youstafish never had poo poo like that in control. If you needed a bathroom break bad enough you got someone to fill in for a few minutes.

The hit was at 130am and they weren't in port until 1630 the next day. I think your watch relief was kinda busy doing DC efforts and you were pretty stuck. I highly doubt the plumbing was exactly working either.

It's not like it was a normal midwatch.

# ? Jan 14, 2019 23:10

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? May 14, 2024 20:24

shovelbum: Oct 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

The greatest invention in merchant marine history was the engine room head imo

# ? Jan 14, 2019 23:22

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

PneumonicBook posted:

Most CICs are not littered with piss bottles and kettle bells.

Look at this guy who's never been on an amphib.

# ? Jan 14, 2019 23:26

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

shovelbum posted:

The greatest invention in merchant marine history was the engine room head imo

You mean the bilges?

I know a guy who shat down a hawsepipe in an emergency, for what it�s worth.

# ? Jan 14, 2019 23:27

PneumonicBook: Sep 26, 2007; Do you like our owl?; Ultra Carp

Stultus Maximus posted:

Look at this guy who's never been on an amphib.

That's fair.

I should amend that statement to surface combatants.

# ? Jan 14, 2019 23:39

ManMythLegend: Aug 18, 2003; I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.

There's no good excuse for piss bottles, but some small gym equipment isn't a huge deal. I used to keep resistance bands or dumbbells up in CIC when I was a DH and was on the 2000-0000 watch every day. It helped me stay awake to get up from the TAO chair every hour or so to get the blood flowing again.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 01:05

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

My experience on an amphib with the apparent competence most of the SWOs, I do not find this at all surprising.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 01:54

The Valley Stared: Nov 4, 2009

To answer the piss bottle question first: We didn't have working heads on the ship following the collision. Those don't surprise me in the least. Should they have been picked up and removed? Yes. Were they necessarily even ours? Hard to tell. Several other ships came to support us once we got back to Yoko, so it's entirely possible that some of those belonged to those sailors too.

I can't answer where the kettlebells came from, but there are areas of CIC on a FLT I DDG where you can keep them in a relative unobtrusive way. Not saying that they should have been there, but I understand it.

The RoR exam: They did not give us a standard CG multiple question exam. I honestly have no idea who made it, but it was like nothing I'd taken previously. An example question would have been "Write down rule 3 verbatim".

Now on your standard CG exam, it would be "Which is the correct example of rule 3?" And would give you 4 answers to choose from.

So yes. We did terrible (stress and PTSD do wonders for your memory) and so did the other ship that was given the same exam, because they were also probably looking at that thing and asking what they had been given.

The reporter also didn't do any further investigation work on the near miss near Sasebo. He doesn't have the correct gender for the OOD. Maybe a minor thing, there's another part wrong with his discussion that I won't get into as a precaution.

Am I a bit upset about this? Yes, I am. The way he wrote made it sound like we weren't doing anything to address these problems. We had in CASREPs for these things. We wanted to get them fixed. Remember, we went on patrol about a week or two after we got out of an extended availability in dry-dock. We were certifying basic things while we were on patrol.

He put out another part later today, and that one also failed to address other issues. Was there an officer that was asked to fleet up and decided not to? Yes, there was. While the reason stated for that officers's decision is true, there are also other reasons why they made that choice. There were also 2 other officers that DID chose to fleet up, or were going to when given the chance.

I'm not saying that we were faultless here. We absolutely hosed up, and Sarah did things that she never should have done. If you have questions on the other stuff, I'll answer as honestly as I can, within reason. Part of this may also be that my perception of the situation isn't great because I am both so close to it, and judging it from my first ship, which also didn't always have a great command climate (I don't think it's wrong to say that the crew genuinely hated each other following our deployment.)

Stuff like "unprofessional behavior" is hard to judge because was it genuinely unprofessional, or was it people goofing off when things were quiet? Was it people getting upset that someone wasn't giving them answers that they needed? I don't know, because what ADM Fort might say is unprofessional, another might think is maybe informal, but not out of line.

I feel like I'm coming off very defensive, and that's probably the case. I've been doing really well mentally for the first time in what feels like a long time, and to see things like this does dampen that a bit. It's not the same overwhelming anger from the immediate days following the Fitz and McCain collisions, and it's not the depressed hate I had in the months after that. This is more just disappointment and the knowledge that it's been a year and a half, and we're still no where near being done with this.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 03:40

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Still think you did great. Thanks for the additional info.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 04:03

Laranzu: Jan 18, 2002

TVS it was a stupid hit piece by a tabloid quality gossip rag. It's cool to be defensive

# ? Jan 15, 2019 04:47

SquirrelyPSU: May 27, 2003

It's amazing how a little context colors an article like this. Thanks TVS.

Also, I think the weirdest thing for me is the apparent disregard for standing orders from the Bridge watch team? My brain breaks at that from standing watch in CDC (CVN). "Criteria X occured, call the CO" does not exactly leave a lot of wiggle room for interpretation. So I feel something is missing there from the article as well.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 12:27

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

SquirrelyPSU posted:

It's amazing how a little context colors an article like this. Thanks TVS.

Also, I think the weirdest thing for me is the apparent disregard for standing orders from the Bridge watch team? My brain breaks at that from standing watch in CDC (CVN). "Criteria X occured, call the CO" does not exactly leave a lot of wiggle room for interpretation. So I feel something is missing there from the article as well.

Captain's standing orders are only as good as they're enforced. Some captains are going to chew out a JG for waking them up for a single contact. Good captains have reasonable orders but are responsive 24/7. The captain is never off duty on a ship. I can see how a bridge watch team with a senior DIVO as OOD might feel a bit more lax with some of the orders, but personally think that's a wrong decision by the OOD and the CO.

As far as not communicating with the department head TAO, I can also get the frustration of dealing with a bad department head. A lot of SWO department heads are in the position not because they're worth a drat, but rather they're the only people who stayed in after the initial obligation. Even if lovely shiphandlers, they're down in combat for a reason. The OOD and TAO should always be in good comms with one another and have a shared image of the surface picture. Two heads are better than one. And if there's a disagreement, the standing orders certainly have a line that says "if TAO/OOD disagree about something - call captain."

# ? Jan 15, 2019 13:36

Cerekk: Sep 24, 2004; Oh my god, JC!

"LTJGs don't follow the standing orders" is like 10% a LTJG problem and 90% a command leadership problem

# ? Jan 15, 2019 17:09

shovelbum: Oct 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

FrozenVent posted:

You mean the bilges?

I know a guy who shat down a hawsepipe in an emergency, for what it’s worth.

I was on a ship one summer where the female mate liked to sunbathe up forward but the bosun liked to poo poo down the hawsepipe, I'm really sad they never crossed paths up there

# ? Jan 15, 2019 17:16

simplefish: Mar 28, 2011; So long, and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ gallbladdΣrs!

The Valley Stared posted:

To answer the piss bottle question first: We didn't have working heads on the ship following the collision. Those don't surprise me in the least. Should they have been picked up and removed? Yes. Were they necessarily even ours? Hard to tell. Several other ships came to support us once we got back to Yoko, so it's entirely possible that some of those belonged to those sailors too.

I can't answer where the kettlebells came from, but there are areas of CIC on a FLT I DDG where you can keep them in a relative unobtrusive way. Not saying that they should have been there, but I understand it.

The RoR exam: They did not give us a standard CG multiple question exam. I honestly have no idea who made it, but it was like nothing I'd taken previously. An example question would have been "Write down rule 3 verbatim".

Now on your standard CG exam, it would be "Which is the correct example of rule 3?" And would give you 4 answers to choose from.

So yes. We did terrible (stress and PTSD do wonders for your memory) and so did the other ship that was given the same exam, because they were also probably looking at that thing and asking what they had been given.

The reporter also didn't do any further investigation work on the near miss near Sasebo. He doesn't have the correct gender for the OOD. Maybe a minor thing, there's another part wrong with his discussion that I won't get into as a precaution.

Am I a bit upset about this? Yes, I am. The way he wrote made it sound like we weren't doing anything to address these problems. We had in CASREPs for these things. We wanted to get them fixed. Remember, we went on patrol about a week or two after we got out of an extended availability in dry-dock. We were certifying basic things while we were on patrol.

He put out another part later today, and that one also failed to address other issues. Was there an officer that was asked to fleet up and decided not to? Yes, there was. While the reason stated for that officers's decision is true, there are also other reasons why they made that choice. There were also 2 other officers that DID chose to fleet up, or were going to when given the chance.

I'm not saying that we were faultless here. We absolutely hosed up, and Sarah did things that she never should have done. If you have questions on the other stuff, I'll answer as honestly as I can, within reason. Part of this may also be that my perception of the situation isn't great because I am both so close to it, and judging it from my first ship, which also didn't always have a great command climate (I don't think it's wrong to say that the crew genuinely hated each other following our deployment.)

Stuff like "unprofessional behavior" is hard to judge because was it genuinely unprofessional, or was it people goofing off when things were quiet? Was it people getting upset that someone wasn't giving them answers that they needed? I don't know, because what ADM Fort might say is unprofessional, another might think is maybe informal, but not out of line.

I feel like I'm coming off very defensive, and that's probably the case. I've been doing really well mentally for the first time in what feels like a long time, and to see things like this does dampen that a bit. It's not the same overwhelming anger from the immediate days following the Fitz and McCain collisions, and it's not the depressed hate I had in the months after that. This is more just disappointment and the knowledge that it's been a year and a half, and we're still no where near being done with this.

Thank you for following up on this, I really appreciate having your perspective on it.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 17:28

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

TVS, I really hope one day that you put all of this together for an article in Proceedings. I imagine a lot of people would want to learn from what you and the crew went through.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 17:44

ZekeNY: Jun 13, 2013; Probably AFK

Nick Soapdish posted:

TVS, I really hope one day that you put all of this together for an article in Proceedings. I imagine a lot of people would want to learn from what you and the crew went through.

This. Or if you�re at all interested in writing it up as a book, I�d bet publishers would want to buy it.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 17:56

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

So I pushed my AT/EAT + ADT/ADSW orders up the chain of command for the USNO. Somebody in my owning unit pointed out that even though I don�t have any of the special accounts or clearance (that take 6-9 months to get) to work in their space I really should do my AT in Hawaii first. My unit had pointed out there was nothing for me to do and they approved of me working in rate at the USNO.

Looking forward to pulling weeds and picking up cigarette butts in Hawaii.

# ? Jan 15, 2019 18:08

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.