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If there was any justice in the world Farage would be found severely beaten by a bunch of a bored football hooligans at Kings Cross. Arsehole basically dug a whole in the ship that was Britain and the minute it started sinking he got on a lifeboat and rowed away leaving others to drown for his stupidity. 
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I saw some bad polling for Corbyn recently.... If he can't be massively popular with May as his opposition.... That is rough. She's the most incompetent politician I've ever seen outside of Trump.
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mcmagic posted:I saw some bad polling for Corbyn recently.... If he can't be massively popular with May as his opposition.... That is rough. She's the most incompetent politician I've ever seen outside of Trump. Labour is basically split between the people in the North of England, who very much are anti-EU, and its younger base in the cities, who are very much pro-EU.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Why is Corbyn pro brexit? He's not. Almost none of them are really except the most hardened xenophobes and Unionists. They are just shackled to the idiotic referendum and would get shredded electorally if they abrogated "the will of the people." Lots of parliament is looking for an out to the whole thing in a way they don't have to claim responsibility for Betraying The Brexit Promise.
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mcmagic posted:I saw some bad polling for Corbyn recently.... If he can't be massively popular with May as his opposition.... That is rough. She's the most incompetent politician I've ever seen outside of Trump. Corbyn is actually left-wing and faces huge opposition because of it. This is true outside the Labour Party as well.
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Jan 15, 2019 21:18
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mango sentinel posted:He's not. Almost none of them are really except the most hardened xenophobes and Unionists. They are just shackled to the idiotic referendum and would get shredded electorally if they abrogated "the will of the people." Lots of parliament is looking for an out to the whole thing in a way they don't have to claim responsibility for Betraying The Brexit Promise. Is there still a majority desire for Brexit among voters? (Is it still the will of the people that Brexit go through?)
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mcmagic posted:I saw some bad polling for Corbyn recently.... If he can't be massively popular with May as his opposition.... That is rough. She's the most incompetent politician I've ever seen outside of Trump. His polling is fine. He's a jam socialist who gets roasted by every lovely tabloid as being a crypto-Muslim, IRA-lovin', anti-Semite commie hate machine. When election season kicks in and he gets some legally enforced airtime, people are down for his message. And May's fuckery has only made him more powerful, he is summoning his chi...
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I just listened to the BBC this afternoon and he is described as "Europe sceptic" because they're a big group of capitalists, but it sounds like he wants a new referendum? Also I just realized this morning that white supremacist Steve King is getting paid to basically not work while countless govt workers work for free. Hahaha cool country, bro 😎 EDIT Also a majority of govt workers are black, right?
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:Is there still a majority desire for Brexit among voters? Probably, in the sense that people who want Brexit still want their ideal version of Brexit.
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:Is there still a majority desire for Brexit among voters? Last I saw it was still within margin of error which is not reassuring. There's a 2nd referendum plan floating around to give three options of Soft Brexit, Hard Brexit (crash out), and Remain. The hopes are to split leave between two factions with Remain winning plurality but even that is a dicey proposition.
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Monaghan posted:Brexit will have to go down as one of the most pointless, easily avoided self inflicted catastrophes of all time. It's just so incredibly stupid. The defining moment of the Brexit vote was, in my opinion, the next day when Google Trends noticed a huge uptick in “what is the eu” and “what is brexit” searches. God Bless the UK, just as dumb as the USA. We love you, our glorious parents. 
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Ugh, why are the GND people (which I support) including this language? https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/1085269149075558400 https://newrepublic.com/article/152885/biggest-green-groups-cold-feet-green-new-deal quote:Speaking on background, though, some said the letter did not allow for enough flexibility on the details of a Green New Deal—such as one section promising that all signatories will “vigorously oppose” a deal that includes “market-based mechanisms and technology options such as carbon and emissions trading and offsets, carbon capture and storage, nuclear power, waste-to-energy and biomass energy.” A carbon tax can totally complement a GND. And a carbon tax is actually looking more politically feasible. If I was an environmental group there's no way I could sign onto this letter, even though I support a GND.
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mcmagic posted:I saw some bad polling for Corbyn recently.... If he can't be massively popular with May as his opposition.... That is rough. She's the most incompetent politician I've ever seen outside of Trump.  The media is legally required to maintain some level of impartiality during the campaign. 
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Jan 15, 2019 21:22
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Brexit is the Putin (i.e. chaos) option and should be opposed for that reason alone.
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Mr. Charles Moore there seems to be getting makeup tips from Trump
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we need to build a massive amount of nuclear plants to stave off catastrophe are these people dense. it's our cleanest power source.
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mango sentinel posted:He's not. Almost none of them are really except the most hardened xenophobes and Unionists. They are just shackled to the idiotic referendum and would get shredded electorally if they abrogated "the will of the people." Lots of parliament is looking for an out to the whole thing in a way they don't have to claim responsibility for Betraying The Brexit Promise. He voted against initially joining it, voted more times against it afterwards, stayed REAL quiet on it during the refurendum, has forced Pro-EU people out of leadership, has parotted the Pro-Brexit party line about staying in the common market and has said he doesn't support a second refurendum.
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Carbon tax would be a fantastic thing and I'm fine with nuclear, though I think solar and storage will win out by the 2030's at the latest. These groups are dumb.
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mango sentinel posted:He's not. Almost none of them are really except the most hardened xenophobes and Unionists. They are just shackled to the idiotic referendum and would get shredded electorally if they abrogated "the will of the people." Lots of parliament is looking for an out to the whole thing in a way they don't have to claim responsibility for Betraying The Brexit Promise. So pretty much the UK is even more hosed up than the US, Since it's only a minority of the US population that is actively trying to destroy the country here and it's broken pretty solidly along party lines while there is a majority wanting to commit collective economic suicide in the UK and that support is multi-partisan. You'd think that would make me feel better, but it doesn't.
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Working as a forest ecologist one if the more surprising things I learned is there is no forestry policy that won't get sued into oblivion by well-meaning but kind of dumb environmental groups. Being on the right side of one issue does not stop you from being extremely wrong on everything else
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Pacra posted:
I feel like I've literally entered a time warp and see this exact same course of events play out every other day now. Like different twitter feud each time but same posts of "she's so good at this" etc. Like firmly and concretely established at this point. Foundation already laid. And yet again another person that is no longer in office even. That's like at least the 3rd or 4th time this sequence of events has transpired in the last month even.
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theblackw0lf posted:A carbon tax can totally complement a GND. And a carbon tax is actually looking more politically feasible. The history of carbon taxes has been decidedly mixed around the world. IMO they're only sustainable, in that they'll last more than one election cycle, in regions where the large majority of the public is already on board with pricing carbon. The US is emphatically not that kind of place. I understand the technocratic desire to implement a carbon tax as it would help address the problem. However the reality is that implementing a carbon tax in the US at present would just be giving idiot reactionaries something to rally around (as it did in Australia, as is happening now in Canada). A carbon tax couldn't even pass the ballot measure in Washington state, it's not politically feasible nationally. edit: Ague Proof posted:
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Wait wait wait, Does the Green New Deal not include Nuclear? It's basically a worthless pipe dream without it. What the actual gently caress. EDIT: It excluded Pumped Hydro AND BIOMASS!!!!???? The green new Deal is looking a bit more like the Green waste of loving time. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Monaghan posted:.. I think solar and storage will win out by the 2030's at the latest... Nah, human sized hamster wheels and viola, energy crisis and unemployment solved in one turn of the wheel. Trump brand progress.
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Kale posted:I feel like I've literally entered a time warp and see this exact same course of events play out every other day now. Like different twitter feud each time but same posts of "she's so good at this" etc. Like firmly and concretely established at this point. Foundation already laid. And yet again another person that is no longer in office even. That's like at least the 3rd or 4th time this sequence of events has transpired in the last month even. Let me shed a single tear for Scott Walker's twitter honor.
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Xae posted:He voted against initially joining it, voted more times against it afterwards, stayed REAL quiet on it during the refurendum, has forced Pro-EU people out of leadership, has parotted the Pro-Brexit party line about staying in the common market and has said he doesn't support a second refurendum. He was easily the most visible and active remain campaigner across all parties. He was travelling all over the country. He just maintained - rightly - that the EU isn't perfect.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Wait wait wait,  I wonder what happened circa 2011 that moved the public so hard against nuclear?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Wait wait wait, it's still being discussed but yes, it looks like some of the non-Congress proponents are... lets go with 'hardliners' this was a letter from a significant subset of environmental groups
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol May got loving wrecked in her Brexit vote. This is the main thing that convinces me I'm not just casually reliving a previous day from last week or something. That particular sequence of events definitely didn't happen in world politics before. Her government is almost certainly toast now. You don't lose a vote that big in a Westminster Parliamentary system without getting no-confidenced the hell out of there. What's significant and dooms her is the triple digit number of defections from her own party. It's not like they're suddenly going to turn around and vote to keep her as PM if they reject her deal to that degree. Lightning Knight posted:Let me shed a single tear for Scott Walker's twitter honor. Scott Walker isn't even governor anymore and still a piece of poo poo so I can hardly say I care what he thinks anyway. Same goes for Claire McCaskill and Joe Lieberman and every other has been that wants to go on Fox News to give sound bites to the right wing media and poo poo on people that are actually in office. Kale fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jan 15, 2019 |
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Solar is getting cheap enough fast enough that it's not actually mandatory to have nuclear
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Monaghan posted:Carbon tax would be a fantastic thing and I'm fine with nuclear, though I think solar and storage will win out by the 2030's at the latest. Please come to the Climate Change thread so we can crush your hopes.
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Skex posted:So pretty much the UK is even more hosed up than the US, Since it's only a minority of the US population that is actively trying to destroy the country here and it's broken pretty solidly along party lines while there is a majority wanting to commit collective economic suicide in the UK and that support is multi-partisan.
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I would like to see this point brought up by more politicians https://mobile.twitter.com/JalenElrod/status/1085226199452971013
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Kale posted:I feel like I've literally entered a time warp and see this exact same course of events play out every other day now. Like different twitter feud each time but same posts of "she's so good at this" etc. Like firmly and concretely established at this point. Foundation already laid. And yet again another person that is no longer in office even. That's like at least the 3rd or 4th time this sequence of events has transpired in the last month even. You making this same comment every time she's brought up is a very fresh and valuable addition to the conversation, however. Are you mad people like her and not you?
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Nocturtle posted:Bad news, the problem isn't so much with GND as with American voters: my personal favorite fukushima-related thing is the anti-nuclear guy who became pro-nuclear as a result "if this is the literal worst-case scenario for a modern nuclear plant, let's build a whole bunch fuckin' more"
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Conspiratiorist posted:Please come to the Climate Change thread so we can crush your hopes. I read climate change news all the time, but the climate change thread is a never ending circlejerk of despair porn, so I'll have to decline.
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Lemming posted:Solar is getting cheap enough fast enough that it's not actually mandatory to have nuclear Are there significant improvements in manufacturing for solar panels? My concern has always been that Solar is pretty great in the long-term, but with the amount of rare earth metals that panels require, it kinda sucks in the short term.
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Lemming posted:Solar is getting cheap enough fast enough that it's not actually mandatory to have nuclear Excluding any technology or method in a policy meant to span a continent is stupid. All options should be on the table.
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Lemming posted:Solar is getting cheap enough fast enough that it's not actually mandatory to have nuclear  Anyway the real issue in the US isn't so much the cost of renewables + STORAGE as it is that there's no way investors are going to allow all their fancy new natural gas plants to be closed down before the end of their operational life.
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Lemming posted:Solar is getting cheap enough fast enough that it's not actually mandatory to have nuclear No it isn't. Solar will never replace baseload power generation until there is mass grid storage. We're Nowhere near a 100% renewable grid in the next 25 years. GreyjoyBastard posted:my personal favorite fukushima-related thing is the anti-nuclear guy who became pro-nuclear as a result He isn't loving wrong. Fuckishima was an outdated heavy water design that stored spent rods in above ground water tanks. A Gen III or Gen IV reactor would be orders of magnitude safer than that.
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