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Kazak_Hstan posted:If they did actually come to their senses and just kill brexit, is that it? Does the EU automatically keep them? lol no they automatically kick them out with nothing
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:lol no lmao this is all extra hilarious then (but what’s the point of a second referendum then if “remain” just means the eu says get hosed?)
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Jan 16, 2019 04:28
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Kazak_Hstan posted:lmao this is all extra hilarious then Nah it's if they do nothing from this point on they get the boot. They can still rescind Article 50 at pretty much any point before the withdrawal date, that's what a second referendum would presumably be for.
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the uk is engaging in exactly the sort of totally preventable denial-based self-destruction as I do this is extremely cool and I can’t wait for America to catch up
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Jan 16, 2019 04:30
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EU reps have repeatedly said that the brits can cancel article 50 or extend the deadline at any time. No problemo. The crisis and brinkmanship is entirely of their own making
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Jan 16, 2019 04:33
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lleave would absolutely win another vote and it wouldnt be close. but it would be hilarious.
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If the no confidence vote passes and a GE is triggered, would a new government take office before the current Brexit deadline is reached? Because I would assume that a new (Labour) government would ask for an extension so that they have the time to run a second referendum (and then renegotiate a deal if Brexit still passes a second time), if that was the direction that the party would take them, but it would be pretty funny if the dates don't match and the Tories trigger a No Deal Brexit out of spite.
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Jan 16, 2019 04:41
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THC posted:EU reps have repeatedly said that the brits can cancel article 50 or extend the deadline at any time. No problemo. The crisis and brinkmanship is entirely of their own making *shoots self in foot* Why would Brussels do this to us?
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Jan 16, 2019 04:48
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"leave" would win because while "remain" is straightforward, there is no actual defined leave proposition to say yes or no to. and every gammon brained racist imagines that the vague handwaving translates to exactly the form and outcome they personally imagine. brexit is the star citizen of geopolitics.
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Jan 16, 2019 04:51
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Kazak_Hstan posted:the uk is engaging in exactly the sort of totally preventable denial-based self-destruction as I do We're already ahead of the curve here.
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Ayn Randi posted:"leave" would win because while "remain" is straightforward, there is no actual defined leave proposition to say yes or no to. and every gammon brained racist imagines that the vague handwaving translates to exactly the form and outcome they personally imagine. brexit is the star citizen of geopolitics. “Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?”
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As an American, all Brexit has seemed to me is years of dumbass Brits thinking that they can magically get member status access to the EU market without allowing the free movement of people. And they keep getting told it's not going to loving happen over and over and over again in so many different ways and they just refuse to believe it because racism and paranoia.
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Ayn Randi posted:"leave" would win because while "remain" is straightforward, there is no actual defined leave proposition to say yes or no to. and every gammon brained racist imagines that the vague handwaving translates to exactly the form and outcome they personally imagine. brexit is the star citizen of geopolitics. Also because Remainers are incompetent at politics
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Jan 16, 2019 05:03
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Glenn Quebec posted:Watch may call for another general election and end up further eroding any control she may have At this point I'm half-expecting May to call another election and somehow gently caress it up so badly she has to be co-PM with Corbyn or something
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Ayn Randi posted:"leave" would win because while "remain" is straightforward, there is no actual defined leave proposition to say yes or no to. and every gammon brained racist imagines that the vague handwaving translates to exactly the form and outcome they personally imagine. brexit is the star citizen of geopolitics. which is why not having a 2nd referendum be to approve or reject a deal is loving idiocy. I've said this for a long time, calling it a second referendum is a bad idea. It should be a vote to ratify a deal, and it's what May should have done. But that horse has well and truly bolted. Like surely May's deal cannot be on a referendum now, so it has to be No Deal or Remain. Which is possibly an even more stupid idea than the original loving referendum.
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My tinfoil conspiracy theory is that No Deal Brexit has been the Tories' plan all along. They want to provoke the largest possible catastrophe so the private sector can swoop in and privatize loving everything while selling marked-up disaster supplies and tickets off the island. Then while everyone's distracted they can pass some modernizing market reforms through parliament, like lowering the working age to 8 or whatever
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THC posted:My tinfoil conspiracy theory is that No Deal Brexit has been the Tories' plan all along. They want to provoke the largest possible catastrophe so the private sector can swoop in and privatize loving everything while selling marked-up disaster supplies and tickets off the island. Then while everyone's distracted they can pass some modernizing market reforms through parliament, like lowering the working age to 8 or whatever it's certainly been some of the tories' plan
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THC posted:My tinfoil conspiracy theory is that No Deal Brexit has been the Tories' plan all along. They want to provoke the largest possible catastrophe so the private sector can swoop in and privatize loving everything while selling marked-up disaster supplies and tickets off the island. Then while everyone's distracted they can pass some modernizing market reforms through parliament, like lowering the working age to 8 or whatever hard to keep it privatized after the guillotines come out tho
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THC posted:My tinfoil conspiracy theory is that No Deal Brexit has been the Tories' plan all along. They want to provoke the largest possible catastrophe so the private sector can swoop in and privatize loving everything while selling marked-up disaster supplies and tickets off the island. Then while everyone's distracted they can pass some modernizing market reforms through parliament, like lowering the working age to 8 or whatever American here. Outside the NHS what else would they have to privatize?
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papersack posted:American here. Outside the NHS what else would they have to privatize? Utilities, prisons, national trust lands. The railways were privatized a while back, and it's been a right bollocking mess.
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Jan 16, 2019 06:36
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This list of things that were already privatised is pretty impressive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_privatizations_by_country#United_Kingdom
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sullat posted:Utilities, prisons, national trust lands. The railways were privatized a while back, and it's been a right bollocking mess. most of the rail infrastructure itself is publicly owned after the holding company for it went bankrupt and got re-nationalized in the blair years because nobody else wanted to touch it. though i'm not sure anyone's itching to buy it
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Dreddout posted:*shoots self in Ftfy
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THC posted:My tinfoil conspiracy theory is that No Deal Brexit has been the Tories' plan all along. They want to provoke the largest possible catastrophe so the private sector can swoop in and privatize loving everything while selling marked-up disaster supplies and tickets off the island. Then while everyone's distracted they can pass some modernizing market reforms through parliament, like lowering the working age to 8 or whatever the clusterfuck is that the tories are a mix of grifters who want no deal for the private sector bucks, nationalist true believer dumbasses who think the eu is holding back britain's greatness, and people who know it's a bad idea but are tories and thus spineless/evil
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also sometimes tony blair sticks his head into the room to see if everyone still hates him(they do)
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Yinlock posted:the clusterfuck is that the tories are a mix of grifters who want no deal for the private sector bucks, nationalist true believer dumbasses who think the eu is holding back britain's greatness, and people who know it's a bad idea but are tories and thus spineless/evil seems like its more of a similar division to the current GOP where you have the nationalist populist wing (trump in US, tory brexiteers) vs the neoliberal free trade business wing (ryan romney etc, remainer tories)
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Ian Dunt is editor of politics.co.uk
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THC posted:Seems to me that if your goal is to stop brexit, your best bet is to hold a vote in parliament and kill the loving thing, and try to forget there was ever a referendum in the first place. You have no way of knowing how another referendum will shake out it, you'd just be flipping a coin again. Meanwhile parliament is supreme and it's right there. So it's odd to me that Remainiacs are so horny for a second referendum, which they could very easily lose a second time This would be the best way but no party would support it because it would be suicide, and not just politically. Two seconds after announcing their intent the papers would be calling them traitors and you'd have hordes of bellowing gammon outside parliment waving nooses. They've already been hanging around calling people nazis because they dared to offer anything other than a pro-brexit opinion. Although, there's a good chance of civil unrest no matter the outcome so they should do the right thing anyhow and let the army have some target practice.
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The whole civil unrest thing if Brexit is cancelled is massively overblown, but the thing people forget (in particular remainers) is that Brexit is still really popular as a policy, which is why both Labour and the Tories can't come straight out and say "gently caress it" A bunch of people at my work who aren't brexiteers or anything wanted the deal to be passed just so the whole thing gets sorted out
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MikeCrotch posted:wanted the deal to be passed just so the whole thing gets sorted out I find these people more baffling than any other group. At least the hardcore no-dealers seem to care about something even if it is stupid.
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alphabettitouretti posted:I find these people more baffling than any other group. At least the hardcore no-dealers seem to care about something even if it is stupid. Politics isn't (viewed as) a positive force in these people's lives and they have little ability to affect politicians so politicians are like senior management at work - out of touch and annoying, giving big speeches about how well everyone had done while no one you know gives a gently caress and just wants them to shut up.
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hakimashou posted:Where did this demented "you cant have another referendum we already had one" argument come from anyway. While you can have another referendum, these examples aren't really good or comparable... those things you mentioned are already built into the system and are thus much easier to execute and don't involve any political capital.
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JFairfax posted:which is why not having a 2nd referendum be to approve or reject a deal is loving idiocy. May was never going to hold a referendum for her deal. Why on earth would she? Brexit only won by a narrow margin, and only by virtue of promising that the UK would maintain every advantage of being a EU member while also saving more money than they'd ever spent on membership and getting rid of all the foreigners. A referendum on a specific deal would necessarily do worse than a vote in parliament. A second referendum would either do absolutely nothing, or end up with Remain winning, neither of which is of any use to May.
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And lol if anyone thinks this deal passing would be the end of it. That's just to agree what happens after Mar 29th. This is going to drag on for a long rear end time. Anyone tired of hearing about brexit should move to a remote island and cut off all human contact for the rest of their life.
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I’m in the USA and I like to bug people around me with brexit news as small talk, so rest assured a handful of random hicks in flyover country USA understand how hosed y’all are
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alphabettitouretti posted:And lol if anyone thinks this deal passing would be the end of it. That's just to agree what happens after Mar 29th. This is going to drag on for a long rear end time. Anyone tired of hearing about brexit should move to a remote island and cut off all human contact for the rest of their life. The same applies if article 50 is withdrawn, there are still going to be a bunch of Tory headbangers who hate the EU and are going to get given hours of airtime by the BBC. Especially if we don't do hard brexit meaning they can still go WELL WE DONT KNOW HOW GOOD IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY NEVER SAW IT THROUGH 
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Former DILF posted:I’m in the USA and I like to bug people around me with brexit news as small talk, so rest assured a handful of random hicks in flyover country USA understand how hosed y’all are Yeah we do the same but for trump. Laughing at the orange berder loving pres is a pleasant reprieve from the horror that is brexit.
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Dreddout posted:*blows leg off at hip*
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